[SLE] Should I buy Partition Magic 5?
I've just ordered Suse Linux 6.4 and I will be a first time Linux user. I'm quite happy to buy Partition Magic 5 if it's going to make life easier for me. I'd like to read some documentation on Linux Fdisk before I do though. Because I currently haven't got Linux, I can't read tarred and gzipped files ... and this is all I can find concerning Fdisk. Does anyone know where I can get the Linux Fdisk documentation in a format (html, txt, zipped) that I can read please? Or could someone email it to me please? Thanks. David Hamilton Only I give the right to read what I write and PGP allows me to make that choice. Use PGP now. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
quite happy to buy Partition Magic 5 if it's going to make life easier for me. depends on what you are going to do. I have it here and it was great for dividing an existing Windows 95 system up so that I could have separate partitions for 95, NT and Linux. I guess if you are installing on an empty system, you wouldn't need PM. I see that one
David Hamilton wrote: person suggested PM4 was better but that had its own problems which I hope are corrected in PM5. I have PM5 and haven't found any problems yet Damon Register -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, David Hamilton wrote:
I've just ordered Suse Linux 6.4 and I will be a first time Linux user. I'm quite happy to buy Partition Magic 5 if it's going to make life easier for me. I'd like to read some documentation on Linux Fdisk before I do though. Because I currently haven't got Linux, I can't read tarred and gzipped files ... and this is all I can find concerning Fdisk.
Does anyone know where I can get the Linux Fdisk documentation in a format (html, txt, zipped) that I can read please? Or could someone email it to me please?
You could give this a try. http://linuxdoc.org/ OTOH I'm pretty sure that there must be a dos or windows based gunzip program. http://www.gzip.org There should also be a tar program you could use. But the tarred stuff is likely just straight text so you can read a tar ball without untarring it. It might take a good text editor with a proper search function but worse case it should be possible. Getting back to Partition Magic. I've used version 3 and 4. They make life much much easier. I've used them under OS/2,windows,dos and Linux. Even if you feel comfortable with fdisk partition magic doesn't hurt. You don't need it but the fact you can use it under different OS makes it worth a little more IMHO. Nick -- Nick Zentena "The Linux issue," Wladawsky-Berger explained, "is whether this is a fundamentally disruptive technology, like the microprocessor and the Internet? We're betting that it is." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 at 11:17:59AM -0500, skrev Nick Zentena:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, David Hamilton wrote:
I've just ordered Suse Linux 6.4 and I will be a first time Linux user. I'm quite happy to buy Partition Magic 5 if it's going to make life easier for me. I'd like to read some documentation on Linux Fdisk before I do though. Because I currently haven't got Linux, I can't read tarred and gzipped files ... and this is all I can find concerning Fdisk.
Does anyone know where I can get the Linux Fdisk documentation in a format (html, txt, zipped) that I can read please? Or could someone email it to me please?
Is there not a fdisk program inside windows allready ?? Or maybe you are refferring to a different program ?? In my best imagination you want need it, I have SuSE 6.2 and as a newbie I didn't have any problems whatsoever, the installationprocess are very well described :-) Regarding the TAR-file, as I recall, I think that WinZip has an inbuildt feature to exstract tar's and gzip's ! Have you tried WinZip ?? /Niels --
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Niels Rasmussen wrote:
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 at 11:17:59AM -0500, skrev Nick Zentena:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, David Hamilton wrote:
I've just ordered Suse Linux 6.4 and I will be a first time Linux user. I'm quite happy to buy Partition Magic 5 if it's going to make life easier for me. I'd like to read some documentation on Linux Fdisk before I do though. Because I currently haven't got Linux, I can't read tarred and gzipped files ... and this is all I can find concerning Fdisk.
Sorry, I just read that. "winzip" can read and uncompress tar.gz Archives as well as compress-compressed stuff. I was quite impressed. ;-) Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Niels Rasmussen wrote:
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 at 11:17:59AM -0500, skrev Nick Zentena:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, David Hamilton wrote:
I've just ordered Suse Linux 6.4 and I will be a first time Linux user. I'm quite happy to buy Partition Magic 5 if it's going to make life easier for me. I'd like to read some documentation on Linux Fdisk before I do though. Because I currently haven't got Linux, I can't read tarred and gzipped files ... and this is all I can find concerning Fdisk.
Does anyone know where I can get the Linux Fdisk documentation in a format (html, txt, zipped) that I can read please? Or could someone email it to me please?
Is there not a fdisk program inside windows allready ??
No, there is no fdisk program inside windows. There's an FDISK program. All caps so that it can feel superior in some way. It is quite unsuitable for use if you have anything in mind other than a plain, vanilla, SIMPLE installation of MS-DOS and/or Windows 9x. FDISK supports one primary partition and one extended partition (which contains virtual partitions). fdisk supports up to four primary partitions, or up to three plus an extended partition. FDISK supports a grand total of three partition types (FAT12, FAT16, FAT32) and it decides for itself what type any partition is. It does not support changing the type of a partition. fdisk supports more than twenty partition types. While it creates all partitions with one type, you can then change any partition to a type of your choosing (assuming, of course, that you don't mind losing its contents). FDISK can't delete any other than the last partition on the disk, and it won't delete partitions it couldn't have created. (So, you CANNOT use FDISK to delete and re-create the first partition, while there is a second partition that you don't want to disturb. And you can't use FDISK to wipe Linux off a hard drive and free the whole thing for MS-DOS.) fdisk can delete any partition, except a secondary partition which currently contains logical partitions. In short, even if you only want to deal with Microsoft MS-DOS and kin, fdisk is a better tool for you than FDISK. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I agree with this. But, when you delete a logical partition and then add one or more logical partitions in its place, fdisks screws up the partition numbers. As an example: /dev/hda1 - primary /dev/hda2 - extended /dev/hda5 - logical 1 /dev/hda6 - logical 2 /dev/hda7 - logical 3. Delete hda6. Create 2 logical partitions in that same space, here's what you get: /dev/hda1 - primary /dev/hda2 - extended /dev/hda5 - logical 1 /dev/hda7 - logical 3. /dev/hda8 - logical - first part of what was hda6 /dev/hda9 - logical - Second part of what was hda6. Warrl wrote:
fdisk can delete any partition, except a secondary partition which currently contains logical partitions.
In short, even if you only want to deal with Microsoft MS-DOS and kin, fdisk is a better tool for you than FDISK.
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Warrl wrote:
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No, there is no fdisk program inside windows.
There's an FDISK program. All caps so that it can feel superior in some way. It is quite unsuitable for use if you have anything in mind other than a plain, vanilla, SIMPLE installation of MS-DOS and/or Windows 9x.
Actually, it is (sadly) even more complicated than that. AFAIK there _is_ an FDISK only in Win95 and Win98. WinNT4.0 and Win2K don't have it at all, relying on some form of `Disk Administrator'. The worse news (for me, at least so far) is that even linux `fdisk' isn't perfect, and it is (almost) a sure thing that disaster lies just around the corner if you mix any use of a Linux `fdisk', Dos/Win95/Win98 FDISK, WinNT/Win2K Disk Administrator and Partition Magic. Each seems to do different things to the MBR, and each seems to hold the potential for blowing something. I'd be delighted to hear from others if they have found some safe and secure way of handling partations, but so far both my brother (the Unix expert in our family) and I touch this stuff only very gingerly, and always breathe a sigh of relief when we find that what we were trying to do actually works. At the moment I have one machine that can, with some trouble, boot NT, 98, 2K, Linux and BeOS. But some of the transitions require a Floppy (I'm down to only needing one floppy, no matter what direction I want to move), but it took a long time to get there, and I am now afraid to add any further complexity to the boot process. It seems, somehow, like it _should_ be simpler... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
have you tried one of the "linux on floppy" boot disks and linux fdisk ? Thai may allow oyu to re work the partions. At 01:40 PM 4/15/2000 -0400, David Ness wrote:
Warrl wrote:
[snip of earlier]
No, there is no fdisk program inside windows.
There's an FDISK program. All caps so that it can feel superior in some way. It is quite unsuitable for use if you have anything in mind other than a plain, vanilla, SIMPLE installation of MS-DOS and/or Windows 9x.
Actually, it is (sadly) even more complicated than that.
AFAIK there _is_ an FDISK only in Win95 and Win98. WinNT4.0 and Win2K don't have it at all, relying on some form of `Disk Administrator'.
The worse news (for me, at least so far) is that even linux `fdisk' isn't perfect, and it is (almost) a sure thing that disaster lies just around the corner if you mix any use of a Linux `fdisk', Dos/Win95/Win98 FDISK, WinNT/Win2K Disk Administrator and Partition Magic. Each seems to do different things to the MBR, and each seems to hold the potential for blowing something.
I'd be delighted to hear from others if they have found some safe and secure way of handling partations, but so far both my brother (the Unix expert in our family) and I touch this stuff only very gingerly, and always breathe a sigh of relief when we find that what we were trying to do actually works.
At the moment I have one machine that can, with some trouble, boot NT, 98, 2K, Linux and BeOS. But some of the transitions require a Floppy (I'm down to only needing one floppy, no matter what direction I want to move), but it took a long time to get there, and I am now afraid to add any further complexity to the boot process.
It seems, somehow, like it _should_ be simpler...
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Regarding the TAR-file, as I recall, I think that WinZip has an inbuildt feature to exstract tar's and gzip's !
Have you tried WinZip ??
/Niels Winzip 7.0 will open and allow you to access tar.gz files. I do it all the time.
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David Hamilton wrote:
I've just ordered Suse Linux 6.4 and I will be a first time Linux user. I'm quite happy to buy Partition Magic 5 if it's going to make life easier for me. I'd like to read some documentation on Linux Fdisk before I do though. Because I currently haven't got Linux, I can't read tarred and gzipped files ... and this is all I can find concerning Fdisk.
Does anyone know where I can get the Linux Fdisk documentation in a format (html, txt, zipped) that I can read please? Or could someone email it to me please?
Thanks.
David Hamilton Only I give the right to read what I write and PGP allows me to make that choice. Use PGP now.
I have used Partition Magic, Versions 2, 3, and 4, very successfully to partition and to multiboot various combinations of four different distributions of Linux, OS/2, Windows 95, Windows95 OSR2, and Windows 98. No problems were encountered in repartitioning on the fly or in using the boot managers. (The boot managers shipped with these three versions differed from one another.) I especially like the way it gives total control over size and placement of each partition. However, recently I opted to try System Commander 2000 to perform this task on a late-model Compaq. This was primarily motivated by the fact that at the time I made the purchase, System Commander claimed full compatibility with Windows 2000. Indeed, Partition Magic Version 2 included a special version of System Commander as its boot manager. The target machine is also used by a naive computer user whom I did not wish to burden with learning to use lilo or the boot manager included with Windows 2000. Now V-Systems (System Commander) and PowerQuest are competing for both the partitioning utility and the boot manager utility. I now believe that Partition Magic does support Windows 2000, so that the reason for choosing it over Partition Magic has probably gone away. But System Commander 2000 has given me no reason to regret my selection. System Commmander too has performed in full accordance with my expectations. It was used to set up the arrangement described below, copied from a previous posting to this list. The format program supplied with each OS was used for formatting after System Commander did the partitioning. Sytstem Commander also takes full control over the booting process. --------Previous posting: Cheedu wrote:
hello
I am a sort of a newbie to suse 6.3. I was a redhat user. If you don't mind , can you help me with a slight problem during installation.
i want to know how i can specify the sizes of / ,/boot,/home partitions during installation. My disk geometry being what it is , my hard disk has more than 1024 cylinders. Disk Druid in RHL says its 1027 but yast says its around 2337. So the /boot in suse somehow manages to come after the 1500th cylinder. So lilo won't work properly. Moreover, my hard-disk is not contigous. Repeated formatting and resizing of partitions are to be blamed, i suppose. Any idea how i can continue? Even documentation on the web would be nice.
Cheers Cheedu
I have partitioned a 30 GB IDE drive for use as a secondary drive in a system
having a 10 GB primary drive. The system is set up for triple-booting among
Linux (SuSE 6.3), Windows 2000, and Windows 98 SE.
On the secondary drive, Cylinder 0 is a single-cylinder partition formatted as
ext2 upon which /boot is mounted. On my system, that corresponds to 7 MB, way
more than adequate for /boot. Then there follows an extended partition
(beginning at cylinder 1, naturally) occupying about 20 GB. This is followed
by a primary partition containing 120 MB or so, designated and formatted as
Linux swap. Then fourth and final partition on the drive is a primary
partition of about 10 GB formatted as ext2, upon which / is mounted.
I have chosen not to have separate partitions for /usr, /home, or /var, as is
sometimes recommended. Except for /boot and the swap partition, everything
Linux is contained on this, the last partition on the secondary drive.
The extended partition contains some FAT32 file systems and an NTFS file
system. The primary drive contains FAT 32 file systems. The MBR of the
primary drive contains a boot record for System Commander. System Commander
is set up to point to and select among:
A) the first partition on the primary drive (where WIN 98 is installed);
B) the logical partition containing NTFS within the extended partition on the
secondary drive (where WIN 2000 is installed); and
C) the last primary partition on the secondary drive (where Linux is
installed).
The Linux root partition (/), mounted upon /dev/hdb4, begins about Cylinder
2900 and extends to about Cylinder 3700. Although the boot machinery
contained in /boot must be located below Cylinder 1024, no such requirement is
placed on anything else in Linux.
I used System Commander to set the size, order, and type of each partition.
(I have little doubt that Partition Magic would have done as well.) The
partitioning was verified using the fdisk program supplied with each of the
three operating systems. Each partition was formatted using the formatting
program of its target OS.
No problems have been encountered. Linux can see every ext2, NTFS, and FAT32
partition. WIN 2000 can see every NTFS and FAT32 partition. Win 98 can see
every FAT32 partition.
And, though it is completely irrelevant to Linux, Windows 2000 uses exactly
the same letter to designate every logical drive as does Windows 98.
I deplore Disk Druid from Red Hat. Or at least I deplore Red Hat's failure to
deal with a bug that I reported to them last August, along with a possible
explanation and a suggested work-around. Three different persons have been
appointed to follow up on it. All have acknowledged the assignment. None has
ever asked a question, made a suggestion, or indicated that they have given
any thought to the matter whatsoever. The bug report is still open. I eventually
gave up on Disk Druid and reinstalled. The Red Hat disti was purged and
SuSE ver 6.3 was installed from scratch. That installation is on a laptop;
lilo does the booting and boot selection on it.
I used to use System Commander as my boot manager, but you don't have good control over the partitioning that you do with Partition Magic. System Commander resized my partitions the way it wanted to not the way I wanted it. Dick Delp wrote:
However, recently I opted to try System Commander 2000 to perform this task on a late-model Compaq. This was primarily motivated by the
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