What is it that you don't like about kmail, just curious because this is my fav.. Lee On Tuesday 21 January 2003 01:56, Travis Owens wrote:

On Tue, 2003-01-21 at 00:50, Ricardo Rodriguez wrote:

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What are the SuSE users using as a default email client after the default installation? Is the netscape one still included in the default installation? How is kmail working? are you guys satisfied with it? is there any other alternative included in the default installation?

Hands down, it's Ximian's Evolution! It's the best email programs I've ever used--bar none!

Hi What precisely do you mean by "" preview"" pane? And why would you want to turn it off? Just curious. Bill ( user of Kmail) On Tuesday 21 January 2003 00:27, Carl Huber wrote:

lee wrote:

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What is it that you don't like about Kmail, just curious because this is my fav.. Lee

I just wish I could turn off the preview pane!

Other than that quibble, it's what I use quite happily.

-- Registered Linux user #298909 http://counter.li.org

On Tuesday 21 January 2003 22:05, Tom Emerson wrote:

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 12:40 am, Bill Wisse wrote:

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Hi What precisely do you mean by "" preview"" pane? And why would you want to turn it off?

the term "preview pane" comes from Microsoft as the term they used to describe the "default" behaviour of outlook/outlook express -- you have a "tree" listing on the left side (with plusses to expand sections, etc.), a straight "listing" in the upper-right that corresponds to the "selected" node of the tree, and the "preview" pane/panel in the lower right that showed [previewed] the contents of the message selected from the list above.

Still beats me why it is called ""preview"" pane if what you're doing is viewing the message. But if the term comes from M$ then what is logical.

This was "mostly benign" for quite some time, with the most obvious [detrimental] effect being that as you "scrolled through" messages they would automatically be marked as "ok, I've read this one". Then some enterprising young soul figured out how to construct an HTML message that, upon opening the message for "viewing", would do detrimental things to a computer -- if you had the "preview pain" enabled, merely SCROLLING through your messages would cause "bad things to happen" as you rolled past the infected message.

When I was using Windows I used pocomail as email client. You had an option in there to ""preview messages on server"". If they looked not right or what ever you just deleted them on the server.

As it is, this is exactly how kmail works, and could be subject to the same [fatal] flaw if you enable HTML viewing [true, there is a dire warning that appears if you try and enable this, but there are some people who, believe it or not, actually like getting [and sending] HTML-based mail]

First, my ISP screens every message what comes in and removes anything what looks suspicious. Second, what are the changes to be affected in Linux? ( at the moment that is).

When you remove the "preview" panel, you can scroll through messages looking merely at the one-line header to determine "do I want to read this or not?", and "reading" a message would be similar to pressing the "V" key in kmail [try it] which pops the message up in it's very own window

It is possible to have only one-line headers on the screen. Just drag the divider down and dubble click with the mouse or hit ""V"" to read the messages. Thanks for your reply. Bill Registered Linux user #298909 http://counter.li.org

On Tuesday 21 January 2003 3:27 am, Carl Huber wrote:

lee wrote:

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What is it that you don't like about kmail, just curious because this is my fav.. Lee

I just wish I could turn off the preview pane!

Other than that quibble, it's what I use quite happily.

I had a thought right after I replied to the guy who wanted to know what a "preview pane" was in the first place (and why you might want to turn it "off"), that maybe he had resized the "preview" part to the point where he couldn't see it on his system. So, I checked, and "sure enough", you can pull the "splitter" bar all the way down to the bottom -- the "preview" panel goes away completely [from a visual standpoint] BUT you are left with the logical problem what merely "scrolling through" messages will mark them as "ok, I've read this one" [and potentially worse, if you HAVE enabled "html" viewing, "scrolling through" would indeed activate malicious HTML even if you don't "see" it yourself]

Ok. I guess I'll throw this in just to represent us old school text email client users.. I've been using Mutt the better part of the last 3 years. It rocks. It's can pretty much do everything and make you coffee in the morning. :)

I use mutt over SSH when logging into machines remotely (although only because elm is no longer included in the SuSE distro, and I can't be bothered to track it down and build it myself. When working locally to a machine, I use Evolution. -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.1) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org

* Ben Rosenberg (Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 02:23:22AM -0800)

::In a previous message, Ricardo Rodriguez wrote: :: ::> What are the SuSE users using as a default email client after the default ::> installation? :: ::Mozilla. It's got the best imap implementation for my purposes and supports ::GPG.

Ok. I guess I'll throw this in just to represent us old school text email client users.. I've been using Mutt the better part of the last 3 years. It rocks. It's can pretty much do everything and make you coffee in the morning. :)

Wowo, I've been using mutt for years (basically since I realiased that mutt had much better pgp support then elm), but I haven't been able to get it to make me coffee yet. /dev/coffee, out of papaer is what I get when I try to (and yes, I did replace the filter) Currently listening to: - Gerhard, <@jasongeo.com> == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O If your watch is wound, wound to run, it will =`\<, If your time is due, due to come, it will (=)/(=) Living this life, is like trying to learn latin in a chines firedrill

Netscape7.01 is excellent John Pettigrew wrote:

In a previous message, Ricardo Rodriguez wrote:

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What are the SuSE users using as a default email client after the default installation?

Mozilla. It's got the best imap implementation for my purposes and supports GPG.

John

Am Dienstag, 21. Januar 2003 11:32 schrieb Jose Thadeu Cavalcante:

Kmail. I would like to see a command to backup the e-mails to do it perfect, at least for me.

I'm using kmail, too, but if I could neatly use my existing folders in sylpheed, I'd use that. On that occasion: Hello List ;-) -- Over the router and through the bridge, to grandmother's page we go!

On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 11:04:13 AM, Andre wrote: AT> I have installed Sylpheed-claws today to read pop3 mail and news groups. <SNIP> AT> One thing I found annoying about sylpheed is that every time it reads mail, it freezes. AT> So' I am typing happilly at a mail, and then it starts to read AT> mail, so I have to wait for it to finish before I can continue AT> typing. Are you using Sylpheed or the latest Sylpheed-claws? Sylpheed-claws is the latest stuff in the Sylpheed line from what I understand (sort of like Mozilla vs Netscape I think) I haven't noticed the problem you speak of above using Sylpheed-claws. AT> I still prefer evolution, as it works very nice, is very stable AT> and supply in my mail/office/calendar needs. I like using the ligher-weight jPilot which synch nice with my Palm for my calendar needs and jPilot also works with Sylpheed. I don't have a complex calendar set up so Evolution seemed a bit of a heavy-weight product for my daily needs. That's the cool thing about Linux, though, - lots of choices:) AT> It also has all the other functionality that was mentioned in the AT> original mail, but they just refer to it by different terms. Just curious, can you lock messages so they aren't deleted from a folder and can you color code messages in Evolution? I haven't used it yet since as I mentioned I didn't really need a full "Outlook" oriented package running for my normal e-mail needs. AT> For a pure mail/news client with GUI, Sylpheed is so far the best. -- Rick mailto:maillist@reumann.net

On Tuesday 21 January 2003 10:49 am, Rick Reumann wrote:

*Ability to 'park/lock' messages. I use this feature all the time. Imagine a list like this one where you get tons of messages each day (filtered to an appropriate folder of course). Often times I can't read all the ones that sound interesting so by marking the messages "locked" it allows you to delete all the messages in the folder but the "locked" ones remain behind without being deleted. The only alternative without this feature is to either move the messages you want to read to another folder or don't delete the messages at all.

Eh??? Don't think you're applying yourself totally here. When I read this list with Kmail, I use: The --> (rt arrow) key to move from email to email. If I read a note and I'm done with it, I press DEL. If not, keep going with the arrow key. This leaves everything that is either unread or 'want to keep' still in the inbox. Doesn't seem so tough to me. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 01/21/03 13:10 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "He that would govern others, first should be the master of himself."

On Tuesday 21 January 2003 8:48 pm, Rick Reumann wrote:

:Today on the suse list is a perfect example... I'm interested in :reading all the comments about the "favorite desktop thread" yet I'm :at work and don't really have the time right now to go through them :all. If using a client without a lock or park messages feature, I'd :have to move them all over to a "To Read" folder if I plan on deleting :the rest of the SuSE messages at the end of the day or else carefully :delete all the other messages except the thread(s) I want to read. (A :problem with the later is also that most clients when your viewing in :thread mode don't let you selectively delete a large group of threaded :and unthreaded messages).

Ill tell you what would be good, virtual folders. You could have made a filter in kmail the same way you usually make filters, putting the whole thread in the virtual folder. You could make a NOT folder which cotains everything not in the other folder and then delte the contents of that folder... I hope I was clear. -- Richard Fletcher, Sheffield, UK.

* Rick Reumann (Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 03:48:00PM -0500)

Sure that works but I find it much faster to glance through a list of 300 e-mails and threads and just lock the ones down that I'm interested in reading later.

You can do this in mutt. Open folder, delete all messages (you can even have a folder come up with all messages deleted by default) and just undelete the ones you want to keep.

As a side note, I really loved the way The Bat on windows had a way to just right click on a thread and lock (they called it 'park') the entire thread. This works out great.

Works just as well in mutt. Currently listening to: supernaut - 1000 HOMO DJ S Gerhard, [@jasongeo.com] == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O Hypocrites and Zealots =`\<, are struggling for the throne, (=)/(=) Kings and queens and presidents All younger then the Stones

In a previous message, John Lamb wrote:

You could just have checked the email headers on the list ... but isn't it refreshing to see so many choices.

True - although some people will be posting from non-Linux boxes... John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards

reasons (and I admit it). Wonder how many remember having only a few choices of web browser...I think it was netscape 4.7 and lynx :).

Some of us remember when our choices were lynx, XMosaic 1 or Cello... :) -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.1). GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org

On Tuesday 21 January 2003 19:28, Ken Schneider wrote:

And some of us remember when there was no such thing as email.

Heck, when I started computing "Telecommunications" was me jumping on my cycle with a printout ziping over to the other office across Dallas. Then we upgraded and the printout became a reel of tape. <G> JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------ BayerWulf Linux System # 129656 The Recycled Beowulf Project Looking for throw-away or obsolete computers and parts to recycle into a Linux super computer

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* James Hatridge [01-22-03 12:12]:

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On Tuesday 21 January 2003 19:28, Ken Schneider wrote:

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And some of us remember when there was no such thing as email.

Heck, when I started computing "Telecommunications" was me jumping on my cycle with a printout ziping over to the other office across Dallas. Then we upgraded and the printout became a reel of tape.

I remember at school dipping the nib of my ink pen in the bottle at the center top of my desk and dripping ink all over my papers. The teachers used to get so mad. And those rulers really hirt the backs of your hands <grin>...

Jim didn't tell the truth! Back when Jim was in school, he left his "email" messages inside of cave walls. :) :) Fred -- Fred A. Miller Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fm@cupserv.org, www.cupserv.org

* John Lamb (J.D.Lamb@btinternet.com) [030121 10:06]:

You could just have checked the email headers on the list

A quick grep and uniq on the 2002-to-current archive, not sorted by subscriber first so the same address is counted multiple times. Anything with "Microsoft" was combined: 30045 KMail 12540 Mozilla 9331 Mutt 6068 Microsoft 2809 QUALCOMM 2807 Sylpheed 2599 Ximian 2590 Internet 1575 Evolution 1037 Pegasus 788 The Bat 667 Gnus 572 Forte 393 Lotus 334 InterChange 322 Opera 285 Mulberry 270 Atlas 268 VM 250 SquirrelMail 215 XFMail 211 Ishmail 195 Balsa 176 ELM 173 Messenger-Pro 167 GoldMine 165 PocoMail 158 Apple 152 Linux; 151 Unknown 150 www.webmail.nl.demon.net 145 PMMail 136 Claris 131 Mew 129 IMHO 124 Sun 124 Net-Tamer 112 Novell 95 Pronto 95 Calypso 87 IMP 86 Web 79 IBM 73 Becky! 67 MIME-tools 61 Netscape 61 CommuniGate 55 WebMail 53 ficKopfMail 51 WWW-Mail 42 Turnpike 40 exmh 34 Windows 34 Juno 32 Pluto 32 MailCity 21 USANET 21 Mailsmith 20 TWIG 19 FoxMail 19 Cronos 18 Ritlabs 16 AOL 13 MR 12 PHPost 12 Client 12 AT&T 11 mail.com 11 iPlanet 11 Direto 10 Pine 10 NINAA 8 Open 8 NeoMail 8 Franklin 8 EZMailer 7 dtmail 7 Spruce 7 SKYRiXgreen 6 SuSE 6 NetMail 6 NIMS 6 BeyondMail 5 phpGroupWare 5 http 5 XCmail 5 PlusMail 4 PCElm 4 IncrediMail 4 CTM 3 WorldClient 3 Wanderlust 3 UebiMiau 3 T-Online 3 PIPEX 3 Mirapoint 3 KaiserMail 3 IndexMail 3 Excite 3 Endymion 3 EMUmail 3 CompuServe 3 BigSender 2 Webmin 2 Vop 2 TradeClient 2 Sun(TM) 2 Speakeasy 2 Post 2 PHP 2 My 2 Mailbox 2 MIME 2 Kaufman 2 KNode 2 JMail 2 Eudora 2 Eircom 2 DMailWeb 2 Ameol 2 Aethera 2 AL-Mail32 1 talk21 1 eLiteWebMail 1 Y.A.M.C.! 1 WebMAIL 1 V-webmail 1 Ultrafunk 1 StringData 1 SilkyMail 1 RMM 1 PostOffice 1 Populis.com 1 Pan 1 Mahogany, 1 Kana 1 KPNQwest 1 IlohaMail 1 Hot.ee 1 GRMessageQueue 1 GNUMail.app 1 Elm 1 Correo 1 CoreCommMail 1 Cliff 1 Caramail 1 CBN 1 AtMail 1 Apropo -- -ckm

Kmail is ok, it just has one set back that I have not figured out yet. And that is how to use a thawte certificate instead of pgp to sign some e-mails that I use with for a couple of colleagues of mine. So I use the alternative Netscape 7.0 which gets the job done. Graham Murray wrote:

Ricardo Rodriguez writes:

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What are the SuSE users using as a default email client after the default installation? Is the netscape one still included in the default installation? How is kmail working? are you guys satisfied with it? is there any other alternative included in the default installation?

I didn't do a default installation, but I use gnus as my default email client.

Mainly Pine. Then Balsa, because it use the same marks (read, answered, etc) as Pine does, and is able to display html and photos. For emails containing complex html or images, Mozilla or Netscape. Sometimes, Kmail, if I start kde (which is seldom, I'm afraid).

Well, I must have missed the original thread. Anyhow, here's my two cents worth. Currently I use Mozilla (1.3b) for mail on both my SuSE 8.1 desktop (POP3 mode) and my Win2k laptop (IMAP mode). I also use Pine if I'm away from my main machines and need remote mail access. In the past I've used Polarbar (java based - worth a look), elm (I prefer pine though), kmail and evolution (both very briefly), and ages ago I used Netscape 4.x for quite a while. -- John LeMay KC2KTH Senior Enterprise Consultant NJMC | http://www.njmc.com | Phone 732-557-4848 Specializing in Microsoft and Unix based solutions

Do you know that it is possible to make the windows and linux versions of Mozilla to cooperate and use the same folders? Of course, on the same machine, and placing the folders on a FAT partition.

I haven't done that as of yet primarily because while my Linux desktop runs my "production" email, calendar, and address book I tend to run dailies and alpha's on my laptop pretty regularly. Is there a way to store the Mozilla folders on a network drive by any chance? thanks for the tip! -- John LeMay KC2KTH Senior Enterprise Consultant NJMC | http://www.njmc.com | Phone 732-557-4848 Specializing in Microsoft and Unix based solutions