[opensuse] Disable openSUSE 13.2 automatic update
How to disable openSUSE 13.2 automatic update? -- Sandy Widianto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-12-12 21:32, Sandy Widianto wrote:
How to disable openSUSE 13.2 automatic update?
By default there is none, so it depends on what you activated. By default, it checks for updates periodically. And on gnome, there is (was?) a module to download them in background - but not installed. Also, there is a module in YaST for running updates automatically. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
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On 2014-12-12 21:32, Sandy Widianto wrote:
How to disable openSUSE 13.2 automatic update?
By default there is none, so it depends on what you activated.
By default, it checks for updates periodically. And on gnome, there is (was?) a module to download them in background - but not installed. Also, there is a module in YaST for running updates automatically.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
I use KDE, probably I can remove the module to disable automatic update? --- Sandy Widianto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-12-13 21:20, Sandy Widianto wrote:
On 2014-12-12 21:32, Sandy Widianto wrote:
How to disable openSUSE 13.2 automatic update?
By default there is none, so it depends on what you activated.
By default, it checks for updates periodically. And on gnome, there is (was?) a module to download them in background - but not installed. Also, there is a module in YaST for running updates automatically.
I use KDE, probably I can remove the module to disable automatic update?
Well, read again above. :-) There is no "automatic update" unless you activate something yourself. What did you do? There is a notification, and then you click to accept or deny. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
В Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:18:30 +0100
"Carlos E. R."
On 2014-12-13 21:20, Sandy Widianto wrote:
On 2014-12-12 21:32, Sandy Widianto wrote:
How to disable openSUSE 13.2 automatic update?
By default there is none, so it depends on what you activated.
By default, it checks for updates periodically. And on gnome, there is (was?) a module to download them in background - but not installed. Also, there is a module in YaST for running updates automatically.
I use KDE, probably I can remove the module to disable automatic update?
Well, read again above. :-)
There is no "automatic update" unless you activate something yourself.
I have never activated anything myself and always had automatic update check and notifications in GNOME ... until recently. So I actually have opposite question - how do I get it back again? :) I could not find out where thus automatic check was done. It is 13.2 now and I am not sure if it worked here at all.
What did you do?
There is a notification, and then you click to accept or deny.
On 2014-12-14 06:51, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:18:30 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> пишет:
I use KDE, probably I can remove the module to disable automatic update?
Well, read again above. :-)
There is no "automatic update" unless you activate something yourself.
I searched a bit, found two forum posts with the same question, but for 13.1. This one, post #7, explains how to disable apper (KDE) in the desktop. I suppose that enabling it would be the reverse action. Post #12 is also interesting. https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/495234-How-to-disable-automatic-c... And other posts explain how to remove it completely (which is what I do, so it is difficult for me to test anything with it).
I have never activated anything myself and always had automatic update check and notifications in GNOME ... until recently. So I actually have opposite question - how do I get it back again? :) I could not find out where thus automatic check was done.
It is 13.2 now and I am not sure if it worked here at all.
In this other thread: https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/496500-How-do-I-disable-automatic... they talk about gnome, in 13.1. Here they show me something totally unexpected, that gnome downloads the updates even if you tick "not now". It downloads and expands the deltas, but they are not installed till you say so (13.1) You get the configuration dialog if you run "gpk-prefs", but I only see a list of repos to check. Post #8 says that you can control the "when", but in my 13.2 install I don't see any option for that at all. Post #13 links to a thread explaining how to use dconf-editor to disable autodownload (13.1). A way to disable checking was to disable auto start of "PackageKit Update Applet" in "application autostart". It suffices for XFCE, but I dunno for gnome. In kde, 13.1, apparently you need to go to «Configure Desktop --> Startup and Shutdown --> Service Manager, and uncheck the box for "Apper"», and «right click on the tray, select "System Tray Settings", and then uncheck the box for "Software Updater"», according to post #31 Another trick is to remove run permissions for /usr/lib/packagekitd in /etc/permissions.local. I hope some of that will help you both to get going. :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
В Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:12:19 +0100
"Carlos E. R."
I have never activated anything myself and always had automatic update check and notifications in GNOME ... until recently. So I actually have opposite question - how do I get it back again? :) I could not find out where thus automatic check was done.
It is 13.2 now and I am not sure if it worked here at all.
In this other thread:
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/496500-How-do-I-disable-automatic...
they talk about gnome, in 13.1.
Yes, Of course nothing applies any more to 13.2 with different GNOME version. So in 13.1 update check was performed by plugin to gnome-settings-daemon. This plugin was configured by gpk-prefs. And it was how I received update noticifcations. In 13.2 gnome-settings-daemon plugin does not exist anymore. Instead we get shiny new gnome-software. The *ONLY* configurable parameter is "Whether to automatically download updates". There is *NO* way to separately configure checking for updates and whether to download them. There is *NO* way to fine tune when or how frequently you want to check for updates. But the most idiotic thing is, once updates are downloaded, nothing happens at all, not even notification to the user. So instead of update notifications that actually worked we got black box that wastes your bandwidth without you being even aware of it. Well done.
On 2014-12-14 15:10, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:12:19 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> пишет:
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So instead of update notifications that actually worked we got black box that wastes your bandwidth without you being even aware of it. Well done.
Oh. I normally uninstall packagekit on every install I do. I want control. Tabooed: PackageKit-browser-plugin - Simple software installation management software PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin - Simple software installation management software PackageKit-gtk3-module - Simple software installation management software apper - KDE interface for PackageKit pk-update-icon - Software Update Notifier based on PackageKit However, these are installed: PackageKit - Simple software installation management software) is installed. PackageKit-backend-zypp - Simple software installation management software -- Zypp Backend PackageKit-branding-openSUSE - Simple software installation management software -- openSUSE default configuration because trying to remove them removes other things that are needed. Or so I thought... I tried now (in my test system) and it does not complain. They can be removed. Ah, and I forgot this one: gnome-packagekit - Applications for the PackageKit API This one is the one that can not be removed: libpackagekit-glib2-18 - Simple software installation management software All that is probably because, although I only want to impede automatics, for all users new or old, it is difficult to know what is the minimum to remove. I have seen another one that I have not installed, perhaps you should check what it does: gnome-packagekit-extras - Applications for the PackageKit API - Extra applications You should also look at "gpk-update-viewer", it comes with gnome-packagekit. [..] I installed it temporarily, it contains gpk-application and gpk-log. The first one seems a full package manager. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014, at 02:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2014-12-14 15:10, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:12:19 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> пишет:
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So instead of update notifications that actually worked we got black box that wastes your bandwidth without you being even aware of it. Well done.
Oh.
I normally uninstall packagekit on every install I do. I want control.
Tabooed:
PackageKit-browser-plugin - Simple software installation management software PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin - Simple software installation management software PackageKit-gtk3-module - Simple software installation management software apper - KDE interface for PackageKit pk-update-icon - Software Update Notifier based on PackageKit
However, these are installed:
PackageKit - Simple software installation management software) is installed. PackageKit-backend-zypp - Simple software installation management software -- Zypp Backend PackageKit-branding-openSUSE - Simple software installation management software -- openSUSE default configuration
because trying to remove them removes other things that are needed. Or so I thought... I tried now (in my test system) and it does not complain. They can be removed.
Ah, and I forgot this one:
gnome-packagekit - Applications for the PackageKit API
This one is the one that can not be removed:
libpackagekit-glib2-18 - Simple software installation management software
All that is probably because, although I only want to impede automatics, for all users new or old, it is difficult to know what is the minimum to remove.
I have seen another one that I have not installed, perhaps you should check what it does:
gnome-packagekit-extras - Applications for the PackageKit API - Extra applications
You should also look at "gpk-update-viewer", it comes with gnome-packagekit. [..] I installed it temporarily, it contains gpk-application and gpk-log. The first one seems a full package manager.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
So complicated, I think the next openSUSE developments should not force users to update as soon as possible, could be for bandwidth reason, not update to early doesn't mean not secure. I'm using openSUSE for Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org as host, I believe there should be no changing packages versions to build LFS. -- Sandy Widianto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Sandy Widianto composed on 2014-12-15 03:15 (UTC+0700):
So complicated, I think the next openSUSE developments should not force users to update as soon as possible, could be for bandwidth reason, not update to early doesn't mean not secure.
Releases are dictated by the calendar, made whether a new version is actually ready for unleashing on an unsuspecting public. Updates at an installation time shortly following release only make up part of the deficiency, particularly WRT 13.2. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
So complicated, I think the next openSUSE developments should not force users to update as soon as possible, could be for bandwidth reason, not update to early doesn't mean not secure.
I'm using openSUSE for Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org as host, I believe there should be no changing packages versions to build LFS.
We do not force users to upgrade immediately! 13.1 will be continued to be supported for at least 10 months (and even longer with evergreen). Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014, at 04:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
So complicated, I think the next openSUSE developments should not force users to update as soon as possible, could be for bandwidth reason, not update to early doesn't mean not secure.
I'm using openSUSE for Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org as host, I believe there should be no changing packages versions to build LFS.
We do not force users to upgrade immediately!
13.1 will be continued to be supported for at least 10 months (and even longer with evergreen).
Ciao, Marcus
No upgrade but update, I see notifications everyday to update some packages. Using latest packages in host system is not recommended to build LFS because is not being tested. -- Sandy Widianto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2014, at 04:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
So complicated, I think the next openSUSE developments should not force users to update as soon as possible, could be for bandwidth reason, not update to early doesn't mean not secure.
I'm using openSUSE for Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org as host, I believe there should be no changing packages versions to build LFS.
We do not force users to upgrade immediately!
13.1 will be continued to be supported for at least 10 months (and even longer with evergreen).
Ciao, Marcus
No upgrade but update, I see notifications everyday to update some packages. Using latest packages in host system is not recommended to build LFS because is not being tested.
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 05:44:56AM +0700, Sandy Widianto wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014, at 04:10, Marcus Meissner wrote:
So complicated, I think the next openSUSE developments should not force users to update as soon as possible, could be for bandwidth reason, not update to early doesn't mean not secure.
I'm using openSUSE for Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org as host, I believe there should be no changing packages versions to build LFS.
We do not force users to upgrade immediately!
13.1 will be continued to be supported for at least 10 months (and even longer with evergreen).
Ciao, Marcus
No upgrade but update, I see notifications everyday to update some packages. Using latest packages in host system is not recommended to build LFS because is not being tested.
The updates we release are usually security and bugfix updates only for existing releases. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-12-15 08:14, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 05:44:56AM +0700, Sandy Widianto wrote:
The updates we release are usually security and bugfix updates only for existing releases.
Possibly the OP is using apper or equivalent gnome thing, and this means you get notified for "updates" in packman or other repos, not only the official updates. In that case you see trivial updates almost everyday. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 12/15/2014 4:01 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2014-12-15 08:14, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 05:44:56AM +0700, Sandy Widianto wrote:
The updates we release are usually security and bugfix updates only for existing releases.
Possibly the OP is using apper or equivalent gnome thing, and this means you get notified for "updates" in packman or other repos, not only the official updates.
In that case you see trivial updates almost everyday.
OP was complaining about automatic updates. Apper or that Software Updater that appears in the KDE tray don't do automatic updates. They might tell you about them but they won't apply them. OP claimed they were automatically being applied. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-12-15 19:08, John Andersen wrote:
On 12/15/2014 4:01 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
In that case you see trivial updates almost everyday.
OP was complaining about automatic updates. Apper or that Software Updater that appears in the KDE tray don't do automatic updates. They might tell you about them but they won't apply them. OP claimed they were automatically being applied.
Possibly the claim "automatic" is misguided. I don't use kde, and I removed apper anyway, so I can not check, but it is possible that apper can be configured to apply updates automatically. At least the gnome equivalent downloads the updates without explicit permission, wasting bandwidth. It even expands deltas. It is far from trivial to disable this behaviour. It only asks for permission before installing them. You tell it no, and I have been told it asks again the next day - and it asks any user! It is not possible to define what users have administration role. And all that can look to the uninitiated as if it is doing updates automatically when it is not. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, at 19:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2014-12-14 06:51, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
В Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:18:30 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> пишет:
I use KDE, probably I can remove the module to disable automatic update?
Well, read again above. :-)
There is no "automatic update" unless you activate something yourself.
I searched a bit, found two forum posts with the same question, but for 13.1.
This one, post #7, explains how to disable apper (KDE) in the desktop. I suppose that enabling it would be the reverse action. Post #12 is also interesting.
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/495234-How-to-disable-automatic-c...
And other posts explain how to remove it completely (which is what I do, so it is difficult for me to test anything with it).
I have never activated anything myself and always had automatic update check and notifications in GNOME ... until recently. So I actually have opposite question - how do I get it back again? :) I could not find out where thus automatic check was done.
It is 13.2 now and I am not sure if it worked here at all.
In this other thread:
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/496500-How-do-I-disable-automatic...
they talk about gnome, in 13.1. Here they show me something totally unexpected, that gnome downloads the updates even if you tick "not now". It downloads and expands the deltas, but they are not installed till you say so (13.1)
You get the configuration dialog if you run "gpk-prefs", but I only see a list of repos to check. Post #8 says that you can control the "when", but in my 13.2 install I don't see any option for that at all.
Post #13 links to a thread explaining how to use dconf-editor to disable autodownload (13.1).
A way to disable checking was to disable auto start of "PackageKit Update Applet" in "application autostart". It suffices for XFCE, but I dunno for gnome.
In kde, 13.1, apparently you need to go to «Configure Desktop --> Startup and Shutdown --> Service Manager, and uncheck the box for "Apper"», and «right click on the tray, select "System Tray Settings", and then uncheck the box for "Software Updater"», according to post #31
Another trick is to remove run permissions for /usr/lib/packagekitd in /etc/permissions.local.
I hope some of that will help you both to get going. :-)
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Thanks Carlos, I will try it soon -- Sandy Widianto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-12-13 21:20, Sandy Widianto wrote:
On 2014-12-12 21:32, Sandy Widianto wrote:
How to disable openSUSE 13.2 automatic update?
By default there is none, so it depends on what you activated.
By default, it checks for updates periodically. And on gnome, there is (was?) a module to download them in background - but not installed. Also, there is a module in YaST for running updates automatically.
I use KDE, probably I can remove the module to disable automatic update?
Well, read again above. :-)
There is no "automatic update" unless you activate something yourself.
I have never activated anything myself and always had automatic update check and notifications in GNOME ... until recently. So I actually have opposite question - how do I get it back again? :) I could not find out where thus automatic check was done.
It is 13.2 now and I am not sure if it worked here at all.
What did you do?
There is a notification, and then you click to accept or deny.
I just ignored it but the next reboot Software updater says: Your system is up to date -- Sandy Widianto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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