You have lot of explanations to my original post here: http://www.python.org/doc/Comparisons.html#perl and specially here: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=3882 (by Eric Raymond -"the Cathedral and the Bazar"-!!!)

Enrique Arizón wrote:

You have lot of explanations to my original post here:

http://www.python.org/doc/Comparisons.html#perl

again, it doesn't mean that you are right...

and specially here:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=3882 (by Eric Raymond -"the Cathedral and the Bazar"-!!!)

So what!? Only because Eric likes Python it doesn't mean that he's right either or that we must convert ourselves to "Python-ism" ;) So, do you like it? are you happy with it? Then live your life and let the others program with whatever language they choose. -End Or Rant-

On Tuesday 04 May 2004 01:59 pm, Enrique Arizón wrote:

 Second, about whether this issue was or not appropiate to the list I think it is, since obviosly the avility of linux to use scripting languages is one of the greatest advantages it has over Windows and "expert" users will take advantage of it.

And an even stronger issue about Linux is that it is all about *choice* so there is no reason to come here and make bold statements about *your* choice. Enjoy *your* choice, but leave your strong opinions off the list. Thanks. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/04/04 14:24 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard."

On Tuesday 04 May 2004 08:05 pm, Bryan Tyson wrote:

On Tuesday 04 May 2004 14:25, Bruce Marshall wrote:

...

there is no reason to come here and make bold statements about *your* choice. Enjoy *your* choice, but leave your strong opinions off the list.

What's wrong with strong opinions? Several of the people who replied obviously had equally strong opinions that Perl is great.

Ok, I *really* like Bayou Butt Burner hot sauce. Wanna fight? If he likes python fine... if someone else likes perl, fine.... but why duke it out on a linux list. Those are 'religious battles'. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/04/04 20:19 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "I am learning that criticism is not nearly as effective as sabotage."

On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 19:59, Enrique Arizón wrote:

First at all I want to excuse myself if someone felt offended because of my opinion about Perl.

What upset us in not so much your opinion, but the tone of your preveous posts, which was ridiculing at the least. Your last message shows a much better attitude, for this I thank you, and only now allow myself to join this discussion. I stopped counting the number of languages (compiled interpreted, or otherwise) I've used profesionally, but the number vastly exceeds a dozen. Among the multitude is both Python and Perl. So I also feel qualified to make some judgements. Let us not forget that the only real method for handling computer complexity is "Devide 'n Conqueror". And therefore all debates on methodologies are really just discussions on how best to devide; while and the discussions on languages are on how best to conqueror. Therefore the programming language (now placed in perspective) is actually best defined by the problem being solved. In this case the problem consists of typical "newbie" to moderate scripts, (read tiny to small code snipets), written by a person trying to master the complexity of Unix/Linux for the first time. For such a person I would advice shell and Perl. My reasoning is as follows: Shell scripts The vast majority of the code snippets of which Linux consists of are in shell scripts. So he/she will be better able to read/understand and thereby learn the system. Once the person moves beyond simplest of scripts, he/she can then search and download from the largest library of Utilities/programs/sub-routines for Unix/Linux known to man... Yes, CPAN and Co. Using this he/she can get a jump start at acheiving most anything desired during this beginers phase. As to the draw backs of Perl? Well I don't think a beginer is going to programming huge libraries that will become unmaintainable. Nor do I think advanced programming techniques should be on his/her schedule at this point. So my 2 pennies say he/she should do shell scripts and perl.... Even though I personally would use Smalltalk, Prolog, or yes.... maybe even python.... Jerry P.S. Sorry about keeping this thread going... I know I should not have... But just had to do it....

Martin Mielke wrote:

Enrique,

far from wanting another "religious war", I found your email after the weekend and I'd like to do some comments on it...

Wouldn't this discussion be better on suse-OT-e or suse-programming-e? -- JDL

Terence McCarthy wrote:

On Mon, 03 May 2004 19:30:13 +0100 John Lamb wrote:

...

Wouldn't this discussion be better on suse-OT-e or suse-programming-e?

No- /dev/null

Terence

Sorry dudes! as I already said, it's EOT for me on this subject... But this kind of fanatism touches my nerves... -Martin