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houghi

10 Sep 2005 10 Sep '05

18:34

Some pages are not possible to edit (like the FAQ). On one side I can understand the reason, on the other side it kind of is against OSS and WiKi, I think. Who are the people that are able to change these pages? Are they SUSE people only, or are they openSUSE deveoplers? Or a random selection of people? What is the policy behind this? Will this change in the future? It si not that I would be able to do any changes on these pages, but perhaps other could and can't now. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

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Robert Schiele

10 Sep 10 Sep

18:48

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On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 08:34:35PM +0200, houghi wrote:

Some pages are not possible to edit (like the FAQ). On one side I can understand the reason, on the other side it kind of is against OSS and WiKi, I think.

Who are the people that are able to change these pages? Are they SUSE

http://www.opensuse.org/Special:Listadmins Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@uni-mannheim.de

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houghi

11 Sep 11 Sep

12:25

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On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 08:48:40PM +0200, Robert Schiele wrote:

On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 08:34:35PM +0200, houghi wrote:

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Some pages are not possible to edit (like the FAQ). On one side I can understand the reason, on the other side it kind of is against OSS and WiKi, I think.

Who are the people that are able to change these pages? Are they SUSE

http://www.opensuse.org/Special:Listadmins

Thanks. For others, some people on that site did not have any info. The people who did all worked for SUSE, so I asume the ones without info also work for SUSE. So only two more questions that remain: What is the policy behind this? I guess the answer here is: we let only SUSE people at those parts, so: Will this change in the future? houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

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Peter Flodin

14:22

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On 11/09/05, houghi wrote:

Will this change in the future?

I imagine the following is true: 1. We get 10.0 out. This is priority number 1 for the openSUSE core team, and the community involvement in terms of what goes into 10.0 is actually very limited. The nice wishlists etc on openSUSE.org will not be looked at until after 10.0. 2. Similarly the Wiki and openSUSE.org in general is not a high priority compared to the release of 10.0. After a stable 10.0 is released, I would assume that user numbers here would grow enormously, and the openSUSE team would look at really getting the community settled in, they will revisit the web forum proposal, to handle large volumes of people, and as stated on the Roadmap import articles to the Wiki from the Novell SUSE support databases. I would assume that as part of this (phase 2) community building process, that individuals that have shown themselves to uphold a high standard and committment to openSUSE.org will be allowed to become a Wiki Admin, to help with everyday wiki admin stuff. (for example only admins can delete pages).

What is the policy behind this? That is the wrong question. This is YOUR community, the real question is "How do I help create the policy for this?"

I don't think the Novell staff at openSUSE, has an answer or policy for everything we ask them, this is all new for them too. I created the openSUSE Wiki Project, to try to organise some these things, why don't you visit - you could even start the "openSUSE Admin Nomination Policy". http://www.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Wiki_Project Peter "Pflodo" Flodin

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jdd

14:51

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Peter Flodin wrote:

1. We get 10.0 out. This is priority number 1 for the openSUSE core team,

seen the quality of the product, sure this will be nice :-)

After a stable 10.0 is released, I would assume that user numbers here would grow enormously

from the <10 it's now, probably, but don't be to optimistic. I opened a suse wiki on early july and I'am the only who write in it (I don't know how many read). In same kind, after a heavy discussion on Linux Documentation project discuss list I was asked to create a tldp wiki page, and did so. _nobody_ used it since a month now. My self was quite present last month, but I was on holidays :-). Now I'm at work and have less time :-(.

I would assume that as part of this (phase 2) community building process, that individuals that have shown themselves to uphold a high standard and committment to openSUSE.org will be allowed to become a Wiki Admin, to help with everyday wiki admin stuff. (for example only admins can delete pages).

may be. I retire on June 2006 and would be pleased to work for SUSE (paid would be great, but free is nice also :-)

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What is the policy behind this? That is the wrong question. This is YOUR community,

this is questionable. I would like it to be. This would significate the choice of many things being more opened than it is.

I don't think the Novell staff at openSUSE, has an answer or policy for everything we ask them, this is all new for them too.

you are probably true

I created the openSUSE Wiki Project, to try to organise some these things, why don't you visit - you could even start the "openSUSE Admin Nomination Policy". http://www.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Wiki_Project

and you have done yet a fine job :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

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Christoph Thiel

12 Sep 12 Sep

10:28

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Peter Flodin wrote:

On 11/09/05, houghi wrote:

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Will this change in the future?

I imagine the following is true: 1. We get 10.0 out. This is priority number 1 for the openSUSE core team, and the community involvement in terms of what goes into 10.0 is actually very limited. The nice wishlists etc on openSUSE.org will not be looked at until after 10.0. 2. Similarly the Wiki and openSUSE.org in general is not a high priority compared to the release of 10.0.

That's well worded. At the moment we are all focused on getting SUSE Linux 10.0 in shape for the release... nevertheless, openSUSE definitely has top prio. Regards Christoph

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Christoph Thiel

10:17

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005, houghi wrote:

Some pages are not possible to edit (like the FAQ). On one side I can understand the reason, on the other side it kind of is against OSS and WiKi, I think.

Who are the people that are able to change these pages? Are they SUSE people only, or are they openSUSE deveoplers? Or a random selection of people?

What is the policy behind this?

When we launch the openSUSE project, we decided to lock those pages (like FAQ) to prevent deformation of those pages. ATM only very few people (SUSE and Novell staffers) have the edit rights on that pages.

Will this change in the future?

Yes, this will hopefully change very soon. We are talking about this right now - and I expect a decision in next weeks core team meeting. Regards Christoph

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houghi

10:32

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On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 12:17:56PM +0200, Christoph Thiel wrote: <snip>

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Will this change in the future?

Yes, this will hopefully change very soon. We are talking about this right now - and I expect a decision in next weeks core team meeting.

I hope the change will be for MORE pages being able to edit by others and not less. ;-) Thanks for the feedback. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

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jdd

11:04

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houghi wrote:

On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 12:17:56PM +0200, Christoph Thiel wrote: <snip>

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Will this change in the future? Yes, this will hopefully change very soon. We are talking about this right now - and I expect a decision in next weeks core team meeting.

I hope the change will be for MORE pages being able to edit by others and not less. ;-)

Thanks for the feedback.

houghi

personally I think that the fact that some page can't be edited by anybody makes then more "official" and this may be usefull. jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr

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houghi

11:25

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On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 01:04:44PM +0200, jdd wrote:

personally I think that the fact that some page can't be edited by anybody makes then more "official" and this may be usefull.

I agree. It would just be nice if people outside Novel/SUSE would be admitted to change things. Also when the comunity is large enough, it should be self healing. For something that is called open, it is strange to have parts closed. Oh well, let's see what the future brings. They are talking about it wich is great. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

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