[opensuse] Reasons to upgrade + KMail2 Question
Hi folks. Two questions for the group: 1. My main desktop machine is still running OS 11.4/KDE4.6.5/kernel 3.1.0 and is stable and fast. Apart from ongoing support, are there any COMPELLING reasons (features/usability/speed) that I should think about upgrading to 12.2/12.3? (I never upgrade to .0 or .1 releases since there almost always seem to be bugs still being worked out in those releases). 2. Re KMail2, when I first tried it (when it was still in RC phase, I think, and then again after its first release) it no longer sorted the "special folders" first in the folder list (i.e. Inbox, Sent, Trash, Drafts first, then the other folders in alpahbetical order) but instead sorted ALL folders in alphabetical order (at least, when using IMAP which is what I run at home); previously KMail sorted the folder list with the "special" folders first (which I find much more usable). Has this been fixed, or made configurable, or is it still sorting the folders the "broken" way (IMHO)? Any other "improvements" over KMail 1 (IMAP functionality is of particular importance)? The "brokenness" of KMail 2 (compared to KMail 1.13x ) is one thing that stopped me upgrading KDE past 4.6.x. That and the need to delete KDE4's settings folder and recreate my desktop layout from scratch every time (to stop Plasma crashing) every time there was a major point release (e.g. 4.3 -> 4.4, 4.4 -> 4.5, 4.5 -> 4.6). Thanks in advance for the feedback. -- ========================================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ========================================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2013-01-04 a las 23:47 +1030, Rodney Baker escribió:
1. My main desktop machine is still running OS 11.4/KDE4.6.5/kernel 3.1.0 and is stable and fast. Apart from ongoing support, are there any COMPELLING reasons (features/usability/speed) that I should think about upgrading to 12.2/12.3?
11.4 is still maintained via the evergreen project.
(I never upgrade to .0 or .1 releases since there almost always seem to be bugs still being worked out in those releases).
That is moot. In openSUSE there are no major/minor versions. It was decided that the numbers will follow this sequence: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.1, etc, with absolutely no significance on the numbers. If a version is less stable it is simply chance. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlDm2coACgkQja8UbcUWM1xhqAEAkfUDIDn5YvFhxV/67Z7www4g YTZTaxGAVZzaojgUFlMA/2dnZFeOEs/isoslsWLjkqnreg70Oi0D1kbXbYctHuWc =oQpl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Friday 04 Jan 2013 23:47:22 Rodney Baker wrote:
Hi folks. Two questions for the group:
1. My main desktop machine is still running OS 11.4/KDE4.6.5/kernel 3.1.0 and is stable and fast. Apart from ongoing support, are there any COMPELLING reasons (features/usability/speed) that I should think about upgrading to 12.2/12.3?
(I never upgrade to .0 or .1 releases since there almost always seem to be bugs still being worked out in those releases).
2. Re KMail2, when I first tried it (when it was still in RC phase, I think, and then again after its first release) it no longer sorted the "special folders" first in the folder list (i.e. Inbox, Sent, Trash, Drafts first, then the other folders in alpahbetical order) but instead sorted ALL folders in alphabetical order (at least, when using IMAP which is what I run at home); previously KMail sorted the folder list with the "special" folders first (which I find much more usable).
Has this been fixed, or made configurable, or is it still sorting the folders the "broken" way (IMHO)?
Any other "improvements" over KMail 1 (IMAP functionality is of particular importance)?
The "brokenness" of KMail 2 (compared to KMail 1.13x ) is one thing that stopped me upgrading KDE past 4.6.x. That and the need to delete KDE4's settings folder and recreate my desktop layout from scratch every time (to stop Plasma crashing) every time there was a major point release (e.g. 4.3 -> 4.4, 4.4 -> 4.5, 4.5 -> 4.6).
I am using kmail2. Why? . . . I don't know. In my opinion it is still a mess. However, my greatest frustration is receiving two copies of each message and having to remove duplicates each time I go in to a folder. It has been like this for ages, I was hoping that at least this would have been fixed, but I still get duplicate messages. Don't know what others think but this is my experience. Eddie
Thanks in advance for the feedback. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/04/2013 10:32 PM, eddie wrote:
I am using kmail2. Why? . . . I don't know. In my opinion it is still a mess.
- a happy user of kmail since 1999, when kmail2 appeared it caused much grief :( . . . now using Thunderbird : relief ........... best regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/04/2013 09:17 PM, Rodney Baker wrote:
Hi folks. Two questions for the group:
1. My main desktop machine is still running OS 11.4/KDE4.6.5/kernel 3.1.0 and is stable and fast. Apart from ongoing support, are there any COMPELLING reasons (features/usability/speed) that I should think about upgrading to 12.2/12.3?
(I never upgrade to .0 or .1 releases since there almost always seem to be bugs still being worked out in those releases).
2. Re KMail2, when I first tried it (when it was still in RC phase, I think, and then again after its first release) it no longer sorted the "special folders" first in the folder list (i.e. Inbox, Sent, Trash, Drafts first, then the other folders in alpahbetical order) but instead sorted ALL folders in alphabetical order (at least, when using IMAP which is what I run at home); previously KMail sorted the folder list with the "special" folders first (which I find much more usable).
Has this been fixed, or made configurable, or is it still sorting the folders the "broken" way (IMHO)?
Any other "improvements" over KMail 1 (IMAP functionality is of particular importance)?
The "brokenness" of KMail 2 (compared to KMail 1.13x ) is one thing that stopped me upgrading KDE past 4.6.x. That and the need to delete KDE4's settings folder and recreate my desktop layout from scratch every time (to stop Plasma crashing) every time there was a major point release (e.g. 4.3 -> 4.4, 4.4 -> 4.5, 4.5 -> 4.6).
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
Can't answer number 1, except that I started with 11.4, upgraded to 12.1, and then 12.2. I am happiest now with 12.2. I also found a guide on the forums to setting up multimedia with packman and being able to play DVDs, and that made everything run more as I like it. I use my pc for work, not recreation, and I needed the multimedia setup in order to get things to run. I have now installed 12.2 on 3 of my own pc's, and on 4 other pc's used by other people, all with that same setup, and all are happy with it. I have some bugs I am still working out with booting, but I don't know for sure that I am dealing with an issue that has to do with 12.2. As far as kmail2, I decided to try it with 12.2 on 2 of my computers. My desktop went smoother than my laptop, but I got both of them to work. I used kmail2 for about 2 months. It worked ok, but not as smoothly as thunderbird. The only feature that it has that I prefer over TB is the threaded by date view. Adding google calendar and google contacts was complicated, but it worked. However, somehow I got my google contacts all duplicated, and I had to delete my entire contact list and re-download from google. In order to do that I had to go through the complex setup to connect to google contacts again, which meant I had to look the procedure up on the web. I had fun making the switch the first time and setting everything up, but after that it became a chore. The other problem I had with kmail was that it still took about 5 times longer to download all my emails than TB. It also would continue to sync and sync for several days. I use all IMAP emails and keep thousands of emails archived. TB had all the headers downloaded within just a few minutes, while kmail2 took about 3 days. The last straw for me on kmail was that sometimes it would not connect to the smtp server, and so would leave important emails in my outbox. I would get a warning in the bottom corner of kmail, but did not notice that the emails had not sent until a week after or so when I happened to be looking at the outbox. Thunderbird's system is better in that it has a popup in your face telling you it didn't send. Also, TB never had a problem connecting, while kmail2 did. So I finally gave up on kmail and am going back to TB - it is just easier to not have the headache. Kmail works, but there is still some development it needs to make it more user-friendly. At least that is my opinion. Some people swear by kmail2, but I prefer TB. HTH George S -- George Olson Box #1: 12.2 | KDE 4.9.2 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | ATI Radeon HD 3300 | 16GB Box #2: 12.2 | KDE 4.9.1 | AMD Athlon X3 | 64 | nVidia C61 GeForce 7025 | 4GB Laptop: 12.2 | KDE 4.9.2 | Core i7-2620M | 64 | Intel HD Graphics 3000 | 8GB learning openSUSE and loving it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/06/2013 11:27 AM, George Olson wrote:
Also, TB never had a problem connecting, while kmail2 did. So I finally gave up on kmail and am going back to TB - it is just easier to not have the headache. Kmail works, but there is still some development it needs to make it more user-friendly. At least that is my opinion. Some people swear by kmail2, but I prefer TB.
- i agree . . . just one persons idea : KDE is losing its way : too much Bloat - have recently used "Xfce" desktop . . . excellent . . . much "Lighter" best regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 21:16:46 ellanios82 wrote:
On 01/06/2013 11:27 AM, George Olson wrote:
Also, TB never had a problem connecting, while kmail2 did. So I
finally gave up on kmail and am going back to TB - it is just easier to not have the headache. Kmail works, but there is still some development it needs to make it more user-friendly. At least that is my opinion. Some people swear by kmail2, but I prefer TB.
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- i agree . . . just one persons idea : KDE is losing its way : too much Bloat - have recently used "Xfce" desktop . . . excellent . . . much "Lighter"
best regards
Thanks for the feedback, folks. I prefer KMail (the original) to TB, but would prefer to stay away from KMail 2 at this stage. Has anyone successfully installed (or built) KMail v1.x.x on the KDE 4.9.x or 4.10.x? -- ========================================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ========================================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2013-01-07 a las 02:30 +1030, Rodney Baker escribió:
Thanks for the feedback, folks. I prefer KMail (the original) to TB, but would prefer to stay away from KMail 2 at this stage. Has anyone successfully installed (or built) KMail v1.x.x on the KDE 4.9.x or 4.10.x?
On kde3, I think. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlDpskUACgkQja8UbcUWM1xsOAD6AwloFQ8jjsHCMCP12sSwRUgl CMIc/jDvi0JDFRFAuE0A/jywzgmtAhxbVzMg4n7C989AqerqC3xsgDIJ61Itnd10 =+kGC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sunday 06 January 2013 07:19:57 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
El 2013-01-07 a las 02:30 +1030, Rodney Baker escribió:
Thanks for the feedback, folks. I prefer KMail (the original) to TB, but would prefer to stay away from KMail 2 at this stage. Has anyone successfully installed (or built) KMail v1.x.x on the KDE 4.9.x or 4.10.x?
On kde3, I think.
yup,kde3. i have 2 desktops and 2 laptops, all running 11.1 and 11.4 on kde3, always with strigi (beagle in 11.1) and akonadi as taboo. tried 12.2 a couple of times, *with* kde3, not sure if i want to deal with all the ramifications of systemd and udev, perhaps i will switch in a year or so... IF i can still keep all the functionality of my present kde3. and kmail 1.9.10, release 219 for suse kde3 1.5.10, shtuff that simply rocks:) regards, d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 03:49:57 Carlos E. R. wrote:
El 2013-01-07 a las 02:30 +1030, Rodney Baker escribió:
Thanks for the feedback, folks. I prefer KMail (the original) to TB, but would prefer to stay away from KMail 2 at this stage. Has anyone successfully installed (or built) KMail v1.x.x on the KDE 4.9.x or 4.10.x?
On kde3, I think.
Don't want to do back to kde3. I'm currently running 1.13.7 on KDE4.6.5 (which may have been the last version before KMail2 became standard. Hmmm - I wonder if 1.13.7 will build from source on 4.10...may be worth a try if I decide to upgrade. -- ========================================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ========================================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 07 January 2013 03:00:04 Rodney Baker wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, folks. I prefer KMail (the original) to TB, but would prefer to stay away from KMail 2 at this stage. Has anyone successfully installed (or built) KMail v1.x.x on the KDE 4.9.x or 4.10.x?
I'm using kmail on kde 4.9.5 by installing kdepim3 (kde3). It works without any problems. -- Regards, Graham Smith -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday, January 04, 2013 11:47:22 PM Rodney Baker wrote:
Hi folks. Two questions for the group:
1. My main desktop machine is still running OS 11.4/KDE4.6.5/kernel 3.1.0 and is stable and fast. Apart from ongoing support, are there any COMPELLING reasons (features/usability/speed) that I should think about upgrading to 12.2/12.3?
oS 12.2 works blazing fast on my hardwares (Pentium 4, Core2Duo,and upper). Much faster than oS 12.1. It's very responsive and having not complain at all. At early beginning, I found some missing programs on 12.2 not sure why or maybe because systemd compatibility issues at that early moment I did install (early bird). I did a clean install (upgrades sometimes keep some legacy paths to fix I don't want to take care about) I had some performance issues with oS12.1 KDE 4.7.2 on Netbook. I did not try oS12.2 KDE 4.8.5 or superior. Instead I installed oS 12.2 XFCE and it runs wonderful.
(I never upgrade to .0 or .1 releases since there almost always seem to be bugs still being worked out in those releases).
It was discussed before versions mean nothing about stability or bugs free. It just a timeline reference.
2. Re KMail2, when I first tried it (when it was still in RC phase, I think, and then again after its first release) it no longer sorted the "special folders" first in the folder list (i.e. Inbox, Sent, Trash, Drafts first, then the other folders in alpahbetical order) but instead sorted ALL folders in alphabetical order (at least, when using IMAP which is what I run at home); previously KMail sorted the folder list with the "special" folders first (which I find much more usable).
KMail2 works pretty fine on my machines. It takes a little moment to download 61,000 mails on two imap mail accounts. (at least 4 GB RAM makes a difference) Maybe Internet bandwidth and RAM are key points to handle all those processes at the same time. If you have more than one mail account I'll sugest to make one by one with proper profiles.
Has this been fixed, or made configurable, or is it still sorting the folders the "broken" way (IMHO)?
Any other "improvements" over KMail 1 (IMAP functionality is of particular importance)?
The "brokenness" of KMail 2 (compared to KMail 1.13x ) is one thing that stopped me upgrading KDE past 4.6.x. That and the need to delete KDE4's settings folder and recreate my desktop layout from scratch every time (to stop Plasma crashing) every time there was a major point release (e.g. 4.3 -> 4.4, 4.4 -> 4.5, 4.5 -> 4.6).
At early beginning, Akonadi was one of the main issues on KDE 4.x.x I think we are on upper level now and all those critical issues has been solved. However, there are some tinkers to be done (Mail Filters, POP3 issues, Mail and Settings Import-Export, etc...)
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
I hope this help you to make you own conclusions. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Ambassador openSUSE Projects -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 02:17:22 Rodney Baker wrote:
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2. Re KMail2, when I first tried it (when it was still in RC phase, I think, and then again after its first release) it no longer sorted the "special folders" first in the folder list (i.e. Inbox, Sent, Trash, Drafts first, then the other folders in alpahbetical order) but instead sorted ALL folders in alphabetical order (at least, when using IMAP which is what I run at home); previously KMail sorted the folder list with the "special" folders first (which I find much more usable).
Has this been fixed, or made configurable, or is it still sorting the folders the "broken" way (IMHO)?
One way to deal with the special folders is put them in the favorites list.
Any other "improvements" over KMail 1 (IMAP functionality is of particular importance)?
The "brokenness" of KMail 2 (compared to KMail 1.13x ) is one thing that stopped me upgrading KDE past 4.6.x. ...
Back in 12.1 I found that kmail2 could not convert my mail directory. So I did as Graham Smith suggested, and ran an old kmail on 12.1 and then 12.2. I eventually found kmail openSUSE 4.4.10-3.2 to be OK and able to work with my existing kmail1 hierarchy - I've not dared try anything more up to date than that. I'm currenty trying kmail2 in a vbox install of openSUSE to see if it has improved. I've found a safe way to convert old mail over is to use kmail1 to convert any mbox folders to maildir. Then I can copy the folder hierachy over to my vbox and import it using the import kmail-hierarchy option. All mail was imported unread - had to shift-click select bunches of folders and mark all contents as read. When kmail2 performs some long operations there is sometimes no indication except a hang. It appears slow, but that may be the VM. Personally, from what I seen so far, I may hold off for 12.3's kmail and revisit then. In the long term if kmail1 continues to have a following, I may just step back to that. Michael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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