[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-factory] Still openSUSE 12.1 - NetworkManager does it worst....
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Anyway, you shouldn´t discuss it here. It would be better to right talk with the upstream projects instead of having endless discussions here (and also spamming our mailboxes ;-) ).
So, please go upstream with it, this would be more helpful for us all :-)
I am an openSUSE user, discussing bugs in openSUSE and even participate in the bug reporting. I expect the builders to take responsibility for the distro problems and if necessary, take them upstream. Your idea is like asking a car owner to discuss problems with an OEM parts maker, because Ford, GM, etc. didn't make the part causing the problem. BTW, I used to do 3rd level support at IBM Canada and if there was a problem with one of my products, it was my responsibility to take it to the developers, even if at another company, if necessary. I'd get fired if I ever told a user to contact the developers themselves. I got my distro from openSUSE and not KDE, so it's openSUSE I deal with. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 19 November 2011, James Knott wrote:
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Anyway, you shouldn´t discuss it here. It would be better to right talk with the upstream projects instead of having endless discussions here (and also spamming our mailboxes ;-) ).
So, please go upstream with it, this would be more helpful for us all :-)
I am an openSUSE user, discussing bugs in openSUSE and even participate in the bug reporting. I expect the builders to take responsibility for the distro problems and if necessary, take them upstream.
Obviously you want to help with your bug reports. Kim just told you how you could do it even more helpful.
Your idea is like asking a car owner to discuss problems with an OEM parts maker, because Ford, GM, etc. didn't make the part causing the problem. [...]
Comparing apples and oranges doesn't help either. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 19. November 2011, 17:09:15 schrieb James Knott:
I am an openSUSE user, discussing bugs in openSUSE and even participate in the bug reporting. I expect the builders to take responsibility for the distro problems and if necessary, take them upstream. Your idea is like asking a car owner to discuss problems with an OEM parts maker, because Ford, GM, etc. didn't make the part causing the problem.
BTW, I used to do 3rd level support at IBM Canada and if there was a problem with one of my products, it was my responsibility to take it to the developers, even if at another company, if necessary. I'd get fired if I ever told a user to contact the developers themselves.
I got my distro from openSUSE and not KDE, so it's openSUSE I deal with.
Nope. You should work with the maintainers and not the packagers. It's impossible for those few KDE people at openSUSE to know all of KDE's code or fix everything you come up with. Thus it makes sense (effectiveness and efficiency-wise) to take upstream issues upstream and only bother openSUSE people with openSUSE specific issues. If they waste their time with work you could do as well – especially since it does not make any difference time-wise whether you use bugs.kde.org or bugzilla.novell.com – that time is missing for work you cannot do. This is open source and unless you pay for openSUSE, i.e. SLED or other products, it works differently than what you try to compare it with. The issue this thread is about is btw not an KDE issue but NetworkManager. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bugreport_KDE#Before_you_report_bugs Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, November 20, 2011 01:41:51 AM Rüdiger Meier wrote:
On Saturday 19 November 2011, James Knott wrote:
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Anyway, you shouldn´t discuss it here. It would be better to right talk with the upstream projects instead of having endless discussions here (and also spamming our mailboxes ;-) ).
So, please go upstream with it, this would be more helpful for us all :-)
I am an openSUSE user, discussing bugs in openSUSE and even participate in the bug reporting. I expect the builders to take responsibility for the distro problems and if necessary, take them upstream.
Obviously you want to help with your bug reports. Kim just told you how you could do it even more helpful.
Your idea is like asking a car owner to discuss problems with an OEM parts maker, because Ford, GM, etc. didn't make the part causing the problem. [...]
Comparing apples and oranges doesn't help either.
cu, Rudi Except I don't think this is an upstream issue. Rather I think its an issue with policykit being set wrong. But of course it always make sense to blame upstream before bothering to exhaust local possibilities. http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/20/nmneedsrootafterputtinginwifipassword.png -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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