[opensuse] New Printer Info
I am looking for users' experience with printers under OpenSuSE. My Lexmark Optra E310 gave up the ghost, and I am looking for a replacement. I need it for small jobs (10 pages or fewer) but with reasonable speed. If possible, a color option would be useful. If you have advice as to what to get, I would appreciate hearing from you. -- Best regards, Dennis J. Tuchler University City, Missouri 63130 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I have a OfficeJet D145 that works well. On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 14:16 -0500, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I am looking for users' experience with printers under OpenSuSE.
My Lexmark Optra E310 gave up the ghost, and I am looking for a replacement. I need it for small jobs (10 pages or fewer) but with reasonable speed. If possible, a color option would be useful.
If you have advice as to what to get, I would appreciate hearing from you.
-- Best regards,
Dennis J. Tuchler University City, Missouri 63130
I am looking for users' experience with printers under OpenSuSE.
My Lexmark Optra E310 gave up the ghost, and I am looking for a replacement. I need it for small jobs (10 pages or fewer) but with reasonable speed. If possible, a color option would be useful.
If you have advice as to what to get, I would appreciate hearing from you.
-- Best regards,
Dennis J. Tuchler University City, Missouri 63130 I've been using a Xerox Phaser 6120, 4 color laser. I print a club bulletin every month, and many other things. The toner is a little expensive but my
On Monday October 22 2007 12:16, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote: printer is now a couple of weeks past 1 year old, and its still on the original toner cartridges. They are reporting low now so they will need to be changed soon. I run OpenSuse 10.2 and use the PPD downloaded from Xerox. If my 10.3 DVD ever gets here I'll see if it still works, it should. I also use CUPs and lpr for printing. I normals use 84 or 108 brightness paper (Office Depot brand) but also have a ream of Xerox Glossy for special jobs. I figured one Xerox toner cartridge (There are four) last about as long as 7 of the Epson (CX 6600) cartridges (there were four also) I used to use, so the real cost is almost a wash. I bought mine from CDW for $299. on sale. They also now have a color stick printer in this line but it is more costly. Hope this helps. -- Russ Linux register user 441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 22 October 2007, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I am looking for users' experience with printers under OpenSuSE.
My Lexmark Optra E310 gave up the ghost, and I am looking for a replacement. I need it for small jobs (10 pages or fewer) but with reasonable speed. If possible, a color option would be useful.
If you have advice as to what to get, I would appreciate hearing from you.
-- Best regards,
Dennis J. Tuchler University City, Missouri 63130
***************** Dennis, You didn't mention a budget, but since the Lexmark printers are usually chosen on the basis of low cost, we'll assume you don't want to spend too much. As Todd mentioned, HP printers are always a good choice as are Epsons if you want to go with an inkjet printer. I've used both brands and now have one of each available, but prefer the Epson. I've also found a location for excellent inks at a low cost! I still prefer the separate items, like printer for printing and scanner for scanning, but the all in one items are quite popular now and provide good results. Your faster printer is going to be a laser printer and color lasers have come down in cost a lot! If the extra cost is not prohibitive, I think that would be my first choice with a good inkjet next. I don't think you will find much, if any, differences in the cost of supplies going with either, since that is where the manufacturers make their money. Hopefully helpful, Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/23/2007 03:16 AM, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I am looking for users' experience with printers under OpenSuSE.
I would highly recommend going with an all in one from HP, or better yet an Officejet to also include an easy to use fax. HP has been working hard to provide an excellent Linux driver and software solution, and the SUSE printer guru has been working hard to integrate all its features into the Yast printer module. The results are very good for the average user, hard to go wrong. One thing to check, since supplies are where they make their money now, check the amount of ink in the cartridges. Size is not that important, but a cartridge that only has 5ml of ink will not last long and will prove fairly expensive. Also, HP replaces the inkjets with the cartridge, meaning great looking printing for a long time. Epson only replaces the ink wells, meaning cheaper replacements, but clogging (and lots of wasted ink in cleaning and recleaning) of the inkjets. But Epson is also well supported in Linux. As always, check first at http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.3 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Oct 22 14:16 Dennis J. Tuchler wrote (shortened):
My Lexmark Optra E310 gave up the ghost, and I am looking for a replacement.
According to http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-Optra_E310 your printer is a true PostScript printer. See http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Purchasing_a_Printer_and_Compatibility or http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/SuggestedPrinters for the advantages of such kind of printers and see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:GDI_Printers to get an idea of the hell which exists for those who think they get real value even if they buy the cheapest ;-) Also have a look at http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/LinuxSupportByPrint... and http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html If you think about a color inkjet printer but you used a solid laser printer before, have a look at the HP Business Inkjet models. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I am looking for users' experience with printers under OpenSuSE.
My Lexmark Optra E310 gave up the ghost, and I am looking for a replacement. I need it for small jobs (10 pages or fewer) but with reasonable speed. If possible, a color option would be useful.
If you have advice as to what to get, I would appreciate hearing from you.
I would go with the HP vote... all in one if the budget can take the strain.... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHHcetasN0sSnLmgIRAuF3AKDt/mVRpz3fJqoqkl7Leygs3vgq5QCgo5NB eu6LhVyTzvXHMD2eTPOAD3k= =dq2B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
G T Smith wrote:
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I am looking for users' experience with printers under OpenSuSE.
My Lexmark Optra E310 gave up the ghost, and I am looking for a replacement. I need it for small jobs (10 pages or fewer) but with reasonable speed. If possible, a color option would be useful.
If you have advice as to what to get, I would appreciate hearing from you.
I would go with the HP vote... all in one if the budget can take the strain....
Definitely HP, for the quality of their opensource drivers. for the huge numer of devices they support and to honour their outstanding Linux engagement. But don't be a fool and carefully check the list of supported devices first, BEFORE you buy. The link was given by Johannes. Happy printing Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 11:19, Eberhard Roloff wrote:
G T Smith wrote:
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I am looking for users' experience with printers under OpenSuSE.
My Lexmark Optra E310 gave up the ghost, and I am looking for a replacement. I need it for small jobs (10 pages or fewer) but with reasonable speed. If possible, a color option would be useful.
If you have advice as to what to get, I would appreciate hearing from you.
I would go with the HP vote... all in one if the budget can take the strain....
Definitely HP, for the quality of their opensource drivers. for the huge numer of devices they support and to honour their outstanding Linux engagement.
But don't be a fool and carefully check the list of supported devices first, BEFORE you buy.
I thought so! I was the fool, and bought a laser printer made by HP, and it was a Win-printer, and Linux didn' t like it at all. I gave it to my grand-daughter to take to school with her Windows laptop, and she is very happy with it. It's really time for all the Linux vendors to find solutions for the printer problem. There could be a Linux system on a whole lot of home computers if Linux would recognize and control printers, and CD drives, and write CD-r, etc, without any fancy moves. People I know who have tried Linux recognize the printer problem, even if the manufacturers don't. For God's sake, the Linux manufacturers should _buy_ the printer driver code. They want enough money to sell you the OS, along with a $1.00 DVD and a $15 soft-cover book. And I am NOT in favor of SuSE's stance of culling out all the proprietary software that makes a system friendly. I am going to buy Mandriva and try it out next month, when it comes out. If things work out, I may not be back. I am not a computer geek, and since I have retired from a technically savvy company, I don't have any access to the computer geeks, (except for here, of course,) so I need something that works out of the box. Don't tell me to install Windows--I have that on another machine, but they are going to ration it, just as I have suspected all along. Every year or two, you'll have to send them some money to keep it working. --doug
The link was given by Johannes.
Happy printing Eberhard
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* Doug McGarrett
It's really time for all the Linux vendors to find solutions for the printer problem.
Where HAVE you been. It has been discussed ad nasium here about the failure of VENDORS and MANUFACTURERS for provide drivers and/or information so linux programmers could even write drivers to support their printers. You have really made a *stupid* statement. You are not a newby, you profess this yourself.
There could be a Linux system on a whole lot of home computers if Linux would recognize and control printers, and CD drives, and write CD-r, etc, without any fancy moves.
same answer, same kind of ?statement.
People I know who have tried Linux recognize the printer problem, even if the manufacturers don't. For God's sake, the Linux manufacturers should _buy_ the printer driver code. They want enough money to sell you the OS, along with a $1.00 DVD and a $15 soft-cover book.
And I am NOT in favor of SuSE's stance of culling out all the proprietary software that makes a system friendly.
you still don't read the list, do you?
I am going to buy Mandriva and try it out next month, when it comes out. If things work out, I may not be back.
you *will* be missed.
I am not a computer geek, and since I have retired from a technically savvy company, I don't have any access to the computer geeks, (except for here, of course,) so I need something that works out of the box. Don't tell me to install Windows--I have that on another machine, but they are going to ration it, just as I have suspected all along. Every year or two, you'll have to send them some money to keep it working.
You make *your* choices and *spend* your *money*! - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn4472 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHHpcgClSjbQz1U5oRAg6aAJ97FSAFJ1P1kbOs1lz6Likfl/PwtQCfWk5f nYp58j+FtfP+hK6HQUtfaTA= =7EKt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 06:06, G T Smith wrote:
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I am looking for users' experience with printers under OpenSuSE.
My Lexmark Optra E310 gave up the ghost, and I am looking for a replacement. I need it for small jobs (10 pages or fewer) but with reasonable speed. If possible, a color option would be useful.
If you have advice as to what to get, I would appreciate hearing from you.
I would go with the HP vote... all in one if the budget can take the strain....
I had the HP 970Cxi printing from 9.3 until something broke in it. That was a color printer. In 10.0, I had an HP 2200D laserjet printing, but 9.3 wouldn't print to it. I had to quit 10.0 due to problems with the incoming mail in KMail. Be aware that color printers cost you lots of money in supplies, even if you only print black, so if you have access to a black and white laser printer, and it works with your OS, it will be a lot cheaper to print things. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 19:19, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 06:06, G T Smith wrote:
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote: I would go with the HP vote... all in one if the budget can take the strain....
so if you have access to a black and white laser printer, and it works with your OS, it will be a lot cheaper to print things.
I went with the HP vote a month ago and bought an HPLaserjet1018 from Tigerdirect for $130 without checking the driver situation. Much to my surprise the HP website said they don't support Linux. I found a site www.linuxprinting.org that has drivers for that series. After five hours of rereading the instructions I got it to work. I make beautiful copies of music from Lilypond. Suse 10.0. Marty -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Oct 24 15:10 Martin Nopola wrote (shortened):
I went with the HP vote a month ago and bought an HPLaserjet1018 from Tigerdirect for $130 without checking the driver situation. Much to my surprise the HP website said they don't support Linux.
Why "much to your surprise" when you didn't check the driver situation for such a cheap (laser)-printer? Do you really think you can get more back than you give away? Sometimes you may have luck but in general of course not. The manufacturer, the vendor and all who are involved before you get it (or after you got it via expensive supplies), know how to cut away their portion (and companies who don't know die out). But "much to your surprise" even this cheap piece of crap is meanwhile supported by HPLIP version 2.7.10, see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/laser.html There is a new LJZjsMono device class for ZJStream printers. ZJStream printers require JBIG which has patent issues, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263181 Therefore the support for ZJStream printers can be provided only via a binary-only plugin which is downloaded by "hp-setup" from the HP web-site only after the user has accepted the license terms. This patent/license stuff was the reason why the HPLIP people at HP needed so much longer to get even such crap to work with a driver and operating system where the basic idea behind is freedom (like in free speech). I don't have a ZJStream printer to test it on my own so that I don't know if it really works. If you have at least Suse Linux 10.1: I provide for testing HPLIP 2.7.10 for the released openSUSE 10.3, openSUSE 10.2, Suse Linux 10.1, Suse Linux Enterprise 10 (SLE 10), and for the openSUSE development version openSUSE "factory" for 32-bit Intel compatible (i586) and 64-bit AMD (x86_64) via the openSUSE build service at http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jsmeix/ The packages are * only for testing * without any guarantee or warranty * without any support As an extreme example, this means that if your complete computer center crashes because of these packages, it is only your problem. Nevertheless, I am very interested in your feedback because the more people test it, the more problems (even hidden problems) are revealed. If you find a problem and you think it is not a general HPLIP issue but a Novell/Suse-specific issue, please follow the instructions in http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports and http://en.opensuse.org/Bug_Reporting_FAQ how to send me feedback or bug reports via the openSUSE Bugzilla. Choose the component "Printing" (also for scanning/faxing with HPLIP). Make it obvious which package, which package version, which hardware architecture and which openSUSE version you are talking about, e.g.: "Feedback regarding hplip-2.7.10-19.1.i586.rpm and hplip-hpijs-2.7.10-19.1.i586.rpm from http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/jsmeix/ for openSUSE 10.3 used on 64-bit AMD hardware." Ideally provide also the "rpm -q --changelog hplip | head" output to make it unambiguous which exact package release you have. The openSUSE Bugzilla is a bug tracking system but no support forum. This means that my packages are in any case without any support. Some special notes reagarding my packages: We (i.e. Novell/Suse) provide /etc/udev/rules.d/55-hpmud.rules with a changed file owner setting than in HP's original. We changed the owner from "lp" to "root" to avoid that the permissions can be changed by any CUPS filter or backend because both run usually as user "lp". For more details regarding my current packages, see http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=Pine.LNX.4.64.070704... Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 09:20 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
On Oct 24 15:10 Martin Nopola wrote (shortened):
I went with the HP vote a month ago and bought an HPLaserjet1018 from Tigerdirect for $130 without checking the driver situation. Much to my surprise the HP website said they don't support Linux.
Why "much to your surprise" when you didn't check the driver situation for such a cheap (laser)-printer?
Maybe he thought that all HP printers were supported. I wasn't aware that some are and some are not, too. It's a lesson for us all: check before we buy, don't assume it will work in linux just because some other hardware from the same brand works. And even when we check we are bitten: I got a haupauge 1300 tvcard and it doesn't fully work, for instance. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIGSotTMYHG2NR9URAsNyAKCRakwg4Te/XmHMDVOATMq9UaK1UQCghk2f XqPOdquyi/sRGPWZz0CJEEk= =j7Le -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Oct 25 11:40 Carlos E. R. wrote (shortened):
It's a lesson for us all: check before we buy, don't assume it will work in linux just because some other hardware from the same brand works.
And even when we check we are bitten: I got a haupauge 1300 tvcard and it doesn't fully work, for instance.
There are shops/dealers who take it back if it doesn't work for Linux (and give it away for those other operating systems for which the manufacturer provides his non-free drivers ;-) Of course via such dealers it is usually a bit more expensive than in an arbitrary shop. By the way: Sometimes it happens that the manufacturer changes the internal stuff of a piece of hardware (chips, firmware, ...) a bit so that the new series is not fully backward compatible, see for example the entry regarding the "Artec Ultima 2000" scanners at http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ultima 2000 USB 0x05d8/0x4002: Good. Works, only product id 0x4002 is supported Ultima 2000 USB 0x05d8/0x4001: Unsupported. Same name, but different ids: This scanner is not supported. The scanner with product id 0x4002 is supported by the gt68xx backend, however. ------------------------------------------------------------------- In the above example the manufacturer changed the USB ID but I think there are also even worse examples where the hardware changed in a non-compatible way under the same IDs. It is practically impossible for a normal user to be safe against such pitfalls which are set up by the manufacturers. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-10-25 at 12:15 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
On Oct 25 11:40 Carlos E. R. wrote (shortened):
It's a lesson for us all: check before we buy, don't assume it will work in linux just because some other hardware from the same brand works.
And even when we check we are bitten: I got a haupauge 1300 tvcard and it doesn't fully work, for instance.
There are shops/dealers who take it back if it doesn't work for Linux (and give it away for those other operating systems for which the manufacturer provides his non-free drivers ;-) Of course via such dealers it is usually a bit more expensive than in an arbitrary shop.
True. But not available everywhere or for all products... cards, for instance, are not usually covered where I bought it.
By the way: Sometimes it happens that the manufacturer changes the internal stuff of a piece of hardware (chips, firmware, ...) a bit so that the new series is not fully backward compatible, see for example ... In the above example the manufacturer changed the USB ID but I think there are also even worse examples where the hardware changed in a non-compatible way under the same IDs. It is practically impossible for a normal user to be safe against such pitfalls which are set up by the manufacturers.
That's a very nasty trick! :-( And I think that may have happened to me with my card (different tuner). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHIH0StTMYHG2NR9URAkT9AJ4tGQ2q/i3sTlAhXxbPMU6lQxUi5gCeLQrB rjo7o8yaccr2NgKyX2F5UWE= =FcnP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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