[opensuse] Email dist lists - advice
We have opensuse 11.4 and have been using KDE as the desktop over many suse releases. The problem is that my wife is active on a number of community groups and needs to send a considerable variety of emails to various groups or sub-groups Early on she had distribution lists setup in Kmail and all was working OK. That was quite a while ago. In the past couple of years we have moved through opensuse versions to 11.4 and upgrading KDE on the way to v4.6.5 with Kontact 1.13.6 & Kmail 1.13.6 and using the default addressbook. She has had to resort to basically entering the addresses manually which is rather slow . Is there any simple way with the current versions we are using to setup distribution lists? Or could list members suggest an alternative mail client that does a better job with distribution lists. Congratulations to the dvelopers on the imminent realease of opensuse 12.1 Thanks, John Canberra, A.C.T. Australia -- _ John -- -- John Canberra, A.C.T. Australia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/15/2011 5:58 PM, John wrote:
We have opensuse 11.4 and have been using KDE as the desktop over many suse releases.
The problem is that my wife is active on a number of community groups and needs to send a considerable variety of emails to various groups or sub-groups Early on she had distribution lists setup in Kmail and all was working OK. That was quite a while ago.
In the past couple of years we have moved through opensuse versions to 11.4 and upgrading KDE on the way to v4.6.5 with Kontact 1.13.6& Kmail 1.13.6 and using the default addressbook. She has had to resort to basically entering the addresses manually which is rather slow .
Is there any simple way with the current versions we are using to setup distribution lists? Or could list members suggest an alternative mail client that does a better job with distribution lists.
Congratulations to the dvelopers on the imminent realease of opensuse 12.1
Thanks,
John Canberra, A.C.T. Australia
Thunderbird allows the creation and maintenance of Lists. IMHO, its a bit better than Kmail, especially since Kmail is going thru a transition at the moment. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/15/2011 08:02 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Thunderbird allows the creation and maintenance of Lists. IMHO, its a bit better than Kmail, especially since Kmail is going thru a transition at the moment.
+1 tbird is the way to go. Cross platform, logical approach to lists, groups, filters, etc... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-16 03:42, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 11/15/2011 08:02 PM, John Andersen wrote:
+1 tbird is the way to go. Cross platform, logical approach to lists, groups, filters, etc...
It has missing things, though. For example, I miss defining the language for emails per folder or another characteristic. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7Dd14ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WiDgCgiORD925JqN5Q7j/CQBGTrgui QqYAoI/xHYheLvc657qOJkRr8/CE/IqA =LZbz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2011-11-16 03:42, David C. Rankin wrote:
+1 tbird is the way to go. Cross platform, logical approach to lists, groups, filters, etc...
It has missing things, though. For example, I miss defining the language for emails per folder or another characteristic.
/me *hearts* mutt I set language, From, Envelope-From, attribution with folder-hooks on a "per folder" basis (the hooks source e.g. a "en.cf" for locale and attribution). send-hooks are also possible, but I've not yet needed those. ==== mutt/manual.txt.gz ==== 1. Core Concepts [..] Mutt supports a "hook" concept which allows the user to execute arbitrary configuration commands and functions in certain situations such as entering a folder, starting a new message or replying to an existing one. These hooks can be used to highly customize Mutt's behavior including managing multiple identities, customizing the display for a folder or even implementing auto-archiving based on a per-folder basis and much more. [..] 5. Using Hooks [..] 19. Change Settings Based Upon Message Recipients [..] 20. Change Settings Before Formatting a Message ==== HTH, -dnh -- Well, revenge is a feast best served immediately. -- Ka D'Argo, Farscape -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* David Haller
/me *hearts* mutt
I set language, From, Envelope-From, attribution with folder-hooks on a "per folder" basis (the hooks source e.g. a "en.cf" for locale and attribution). send-hooks are also possible, but I've not yet needed those.
+1 I set a mailing list by adding addresses to an alias address for the list. A mailing to the "alias address" provides everyone on the list with a copy and if addressed to Bcc: the individual email addresses are only visible to me. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2011-11-16 at 17:37 +0100, David Haller wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2011-11-16 03:42, David C. Rankin wrote:
+1 tbird is the way to go. Cross platform, logical approach to lists, groups, filters, etc...
It has missing things, though. For example, I miss defining the language for emails per folder or another characteristic.
/me *hearts* mutt
I use Pine. But I also need Thunderbird because, for example, I need read and reply to html posts. I need a good GUI mail program, and Th is such. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7NrvUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VnAACdGGWMAWQ7YsmL3e8rU7fOLYxJ 5+EAn2JHAXNzA02drew+g9+tbag/e6EB =pMmS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Thu, 24 Nov 2011, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I use Pine. But I also need Thunderbird because, for example, I need read and reply to html posts. I need a good GUI mail program, and Th is such.
Well, for reading there's mailcap: ==== ~/.mutt/mailcap ==== text/html ;w3m -dump -T "text/html" %s | less; needsterminal; ==== (you could use lynx or links too) Of course, TB is probably nicer (esp. for writing ;) -dnh, being glad to be able to use my usual mutt if X won't run -- $max = [$a => $b] -> [ $a <= $b ]; ## Simon Cozens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, November 27, 2011 07:02:08 PM David Haller wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I use Pine. But I also need Thunderbird because, for example, I need read and reply to html posts. I need a good GUI mail program, and Th is such.
Well, for reading there's mailcap:
==== ~/.mutt/mailcap ==== text/html ;w3m -dump -T "text/html" %s | less; needsterminal; ====
(you could use lynx or links too)
Of course, TB is probably nicer (esp. for writing ;)
-dnh, being glad to be able to use my usual mutt if X won't run Kmail works fabulously for me, especially in handling mailing lists. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2011 07:02:08 PM David Haller wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I use Pine. But I also need Thunderbird because, for example, I need read and reply to html posts. I need a good GUI mail program, and Th is such.
Well, for reading there's mailcap:
==== ~/.mutt/mailcap ==== text/html ;w3m -dump -T "text/html" %s | less; needsterminal; ====
(you could use lynx or links too)
Of course, TB is probably nicer (esp. for writing ;)
-dnh, being glad to be able to use my usual mutt if X won't run Kmail works fabulously for me, especially in handling mailing lists.
Roger, you need to pay more attention to who's writing what. For example, I've tested kmail in KDE 1.1.1, 1.1.2, some KDE 2 version, some KDE 3 (I think), and I hated each version even more than the previous. I used XFMail for a while and when I found mutt and a solution for my setup with sendmail, I found what I'd always been looking for. I've now been using mutt for over a decade, with mboxen exceeding 50k mails and 200MB size on an old 500MHz Athlon w. 192-320 MB of RAM (that was used for 2001-late_2010), ~/mail is currently nigh 3 GB (and quite a lot of that is gzipped), including the complete suse-linux/opensuse-de and suse-linux-en/opensuse MLs since ~2001 (at least). $ l -h ~/mail/opensuse* --sort=size| head -2 -rw------- 1 dh dh 246M Nov 29 05:18 /home/dh/mail/opensuse -rw------- 1 dh dh 109M Nov 29 01:15 /home/dh/mail/opensuse-de Simply put, for me: kmail SUCKS. Planets. Through Buckytubes. It just won't do. Period. I might be tempted to look at a version 3.x. But don't hold your breath. With mutt, I can easily put e.g. arbitrary internal or external commands (e.g. learn/forget spam/ham commands/scripts) on arbitrary keys (and even that conditionally!) e.g. I have: macro index <F3> "| remove-spamscan-headers | bogofilter -Ns -v\n" "bogo learn spam" in my ~/.mutt/keybind[1]. And, as I wrote _ABOVE_ you don't need a running X to use mutt as you always do. Try that with kmail! Try using kmail via ssh/vnc/whatnot vs. using mutt via ssh/... -dnh [1] ,----[ remove-spamscan-headers ] | #!/bin/sed -f | 1,/^$/ { | /^X-DSPAM-Signature:/d; | /^X-DSPAM-Factors/,/^[^[:space:]]/d; | /^X-DSPAM-/d; | /^X-Spam-/d; | /^X-Bogosity/d; | /^$/p; | } `---- -- Who do I have to kill to get some attention around here! -- Georgia 'George' Lass, Dead Like Me -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Kmail works fabulously for me, especially in handling mailing
On Sunday 27 November 2011 18:32:30 Roger Luedecke wrote: lists. There is a distinction between dist lists and mailing lists. KMail/KAddressbook's dist list support is OK now but nothing to write home about IMO. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi David, John, On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:42:24 David C. Rankin wrote:
On 11/15/2011 08:02 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Thunderbird allows the creation and maintenance of Lists. IMHO, its a bit better than Kmail, especially since Kmail is going thru a transition at the moment.
+1 tbird is the way to go. Cross platform, logical approach to lists, groups, filters, etc.
Thanks for the comments on thunderbird, I will have a closer look at that. Kmail has been a bit disconcerting with the transitional processes. Although it would be easier for my wife if she can continue with Kmail, although the list problem is a showstopper for her presently. Thanks for the responses.. -- -- John Canberra, A.C.T. Australia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/11/11 12:58, John wrote:
We have opensuse 11.4 and have been using KDE as the desktop over many suse releases.
The problem is that my wife is active on a number of community groups and needs to send a considerable variety of emails to various groups or sub-groups Early on she had distribution lists setup in Kmail and all was working OK. That was quite a while ago.
In the past couple of years we have moved through opensuse versions to 11.4 and upgrading KDE on the way to v4.6.5 with Kontact 1.13.6& Kmail 1.13.6 and using the default addressbook. She has had to resort to basically entering the addresses manually which is rather slow .
Is there any simple way with the current versions we are using to setup distribution lists? Or could list members suggest an alternative mail client that does a better job with distribution lists.
Congratulations to the dvelopers on the imminent realease of opensuse 12.1
Thanks,
John Canberra, A.C.T. Australia
I suggest that you switch to Thunderbird where you can - as I did - set up (a) group/(s), say WodenCommunity, SportingShooters, and then drag-and-drop the individual e-mail addresses into that group's name. BC -- Diapers and politicians should be changed often; both for the same reason. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2011, 20:01:46 schrieb Basil Chupin:
On 16/11/11 12:58, John wrote:
We have opensuse 11.4 and have been using KDE as the desktop over many suse releases.
The problem is that my wife is active on a number of community groups and needs to send a considerable variety of emails to various groups or sub-groups Early on she had distribution lists setup in Kmail and all was working OK. That was quite a while ago.
In the past couple of years we have moved through opensuse versions to 11.4 and upgrading KDE on the way to v4.6.5 with Kontact 1.13.6& Kmail 1.13.6 and using the default addressbook. She has had to resort to basically entering the addresses manually which is rather slow .
Is there any simple way with the current versions we are using to setup distribution lists? Or could list members suggest an alternative mail client that does a better job with distribution lists.
Not sure if that's what you need but here is what works with 12.1's kmail. I open a new mail and add several addresses. I click on "save list" on the right of those addresses, pick an address book and enter a name for the list. After that I open a new email and click on "select" to the right of the address field and pick the list from the address book. If I send that email the addresses from the list are added to the email. You can edit and manage the group via kaddressbook as well. The KDE used for 12.1 is available from the KDE stable repo for 11.4. Alternatively you can use the KDE:Release:47 repo. See http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories for details. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Basis & Carlos, On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:01:46 Basil Chupin wrote:
On 16/11/11 12:58, John wrote:
We have opensuse 11.4 and have been using KDE as the desktop over many suse releases.
The problem is that my wife is active on a number of community groups and needs to send a considerable variety of emails to various groups or sub-groups Early on she had distribution lists setup in Kmail and all was working OK. That was quite a while ago.
In the past couple of years we have moved through opensuse versions to 11.4 and upgrading KDE on the way to v4.6.5 with Kontact 1.13.6& Kmail 1.13.6 and using the default addressbook. She has had to resort to basically entering the addresses manually which is rather slow .
Is there any simple way with the current versions we are using to setup distribution lists? Or could list members suggest an alternative mail client that does a better job with distribution lists.
Congratulations to the dvelopers on the imminent realease of opensuse 12.1
Thanks,
John Canberra, A.C.T. Australia
I suggest that you switch to Thunderbird where you can - as I did - set up (a) group/(s), say WodenCommunity, SportingShooters, and then drag-and-drop the individual e-mail addresses into that group's name.
BC
thanks for the reply & advice, I will look at Thunderbird -- -- John Canberra, A.C.T. Australia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John said the following on 11/15/2011 08:58 PM:
Is there any simple way with the current versions we are using to setup distribution lists? Or could list members suggest an alternative mail client that does a better job with distribution lists.
I run the members list for a local volunteer organization. I don't think that using a mailer - mail-user-agent - on a PC is the best way to do this. This mailing list is run using mailing list software. Its one of many, and one of many ways of doing lists. You could set up a group on Yahoogoups or the Google equivalent. Those don't have to be in the public index. What I have done is set up an account on Dreamhost. That gives me a domain for the organization as well as a ssh acount and a ginourmouse amount of space and lots of web based tools. Go look for yourself. Dreamhost supply a number of mailing list tools. We use one that is like this list for the board members and a "distribution only" to send to the members. I also have in that space a script that uses metasend to let me send out more complex notices that need attachments. All this is managed from plain text lists. Why do I do this? My ISP has anti-spam measures. These include throttling. If I were to try and send out a message (never mind attachments!) to the member list then my ISP would stomp on me pretty quickly since this looks like suspicious activity. And never mind that I have high-speed cable! Lets face it, unless you are writing long messages or have attachments or *Shock* *Horror* being so crude as to send HTML mail when plain text will do (another suspicious activity since HTML mail is the province of newbies, spammers and users of Microsoft and consumes disk space to no added benefit) then the mail header is going to be longer than the message body. You don't believe me? Go look. Count the bytes. So for the bulk of the messages on the list I deal with there is over 100% "SMTP Overhead Bloat". Its not about bandwidth per-se. But it does attract the attention of the automated anti-spam mechanisms. I don't need that, certainly not on my personal account. But Dreamhost not only has lots of bandwidth, its an ISP and has this mailing list software set up properly. No hassle and of course there is the web-based control interfaces. I mention Dreamhost because I'm happy with them; they give me good service and have been friendly and helpful. I'm sure there are many other ISPs that offer similar service. But my point is that you are better off NOT using your home machine and a personal mail user agent like T'Bird or KMail if you are dealing with a proper list. Do I use lists in T'Bird on my personal machine? Yes I do, but non have more than half a dozen people and even those don't get used more than once or twice a week. At the "business" level, I expect lists to be maintained by the IT/HR department: @AllStaff @ITStaff, @DepartmentName and so on, and implemented on the mail server, whatever technology that is (probably MS-Exchange in many places). At a push, you could implement MailMan, MMMLJ, LISTSERV or similar list technology that is used by the ISPs (or is behind this list). Its about "Appropriate Technology". A personal MUA has so many features concerned with reading and filtering and tagging mail that are completely irrelevant to sending mail to a list. In the limiting case you could manage the list with a simple shell script cat $ADDRESSLIST | while read adr do mail -s "Message to list" < $MESSAGEFILE done Where the addresses are one per line in the file $ADDRESSLIST and the message text body is in the file $MESSAGEFILE That's really lightweight! -- Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. -- Frank Borman, U.S. Astronaut -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Anton, On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:54:03 Anton Aylward wrote:
John said the following on 11/15/2011 08:58 PM:
Is there any simple way with the current versions we are using to setup distribution lists? Or could list members suggest an alternative mail client that does a better job with distribution lists.
I run the members list for a local volunteer organization. I don't think that using a mailer - mail-user-agent - on a PC is the best way to do this.
This mailing list is run using mailing list software. Its one of many, and one of many ways of doing lists.
<snip> Thank you for your advice, and I would agree with much of what you have said. However, we are talking here of small groups and committees or sub-committees with few and differing members. It is much simpler to be able to use the mail clients they are familiar with. We do actually have available to us if needed the external hosting to setup mailing lists, such as you appear to have for the local organization you mentioned, but in this case it really is just about helping my wife to handle her committee work. Thanks, John -- -- John Canberra, A.C.T. Australia -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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