context

- as tumbleweed is assumed to be stable, the only valid context is that : Versions installed are "as served up" by zypper up or dup ................ cheers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/25/2016 11:15 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* ellanios82 [06-25-16 09:09]:

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context

- as tumbleweed is assumed to be stable, the only valid context is that :

Versions installed are "as served up" by zypper up or dup

but, ...

w/o knowing what repos you have enabled and their priorities, it is guess work identifying what "versions" are "as served up" :)

Indeed, and the effort report what versions is probably going to be less than arguing about one shouldn't. I *very* much doubt its simply a matter of the tw repository being 'stable' and authoritative. Lets see, if tw is based on 13.2 ... LibreOffice:Factory at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Factory/openSUSE_13.2... and LibreOffice-5 at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/5.1/openSUSE_13.2/ I have Information for package libreoffice-calc: ----------------------------------------- Repository: LibreOffice:Factory Name: libreoffice-calc Version: 5.2.0.1-432.1 Arch: x86_64 Vendor: obs://build.opensuse.org/LibreOffice Installed: Yes Status: out-of-date (version 5.0.6.3-1.2 installed) and it appears a later version is available -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* ellanios82  [06-25-16 12:55]:
> On 06/25/2016 06:15 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * ellanios82  [06-25-16 09:09]:
> > > > context
> > > - as tumbleweed is assumed to be stable,
> > > the only valid context is that :
> > > 
> > > Versions installed are "as served up" by zypper up or dup
> > but, ...
> > 
> > w/o knowing what repos you have enabled and their priorities, it is guess
> > work identifying what "versions" are "as served up"  :)
> > 
>  - thank you ~ quite , Quite  :)   - just the minimal , as recommended

tks, but still, one not running has to find what "minimal" amounts to for
xfce.  You make anyone not familiar with your "particular" system search
for what you define as your "system" before being able to intelligently
answer your questions.  If I asked you where I would vote, would you be
able to provide answer that meant anything to me.?  Is
opensuse-Tumbleweed OSS the only repo you have enabled?  It is not really
hard to determine, zypper lr -E


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On 06/25/2016 08:14 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

zypper lr -E

- thank you, Patrick herewith :- # zypper lr -E # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh ---+----------------------------------+---------------------------+---------+-----------+-------- 3 | download.opensuse.org-non-oss | Main Repository (NON-OSS) | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 4 | download.opensuse.org-oss | Main Repository (OSS) | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 5 | download.opensuse.org-tumbleweed | Main Update Repository | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 6 | google-chrome | google-chrome | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 7 | google-earth | google-earth | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes 9 | packman_essentials | packman essentials | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes ........ regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/25/2016 10:02 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

zypper se -si libreoff*

herewith :- # zypper se -si libreoff* Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository --+-----------------------------------+-------------+-------------------+--------+---------------------- i | LibreOffice Base | application | | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | LibreOffice Calc | application | | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | LibreOffice Draw | application | | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | LibreOffice Impress | application | | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | LibreOffice Writer | application | | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-base | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-base-drivers-mysql | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-branding-upstream | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-calc | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-draw | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-filters-optional | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-gnome | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-icon-theme-breeze | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-icon-theme-galaxy | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-icon-theme-hicontrast | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-icon-theme-sifr | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-impress | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-l10n-en | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-mailmerge | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-math | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-pyuno | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-share-linker | package | 1-2.2 | noarch | Main Repository (OSS) i | libreoffice-writer | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS) ............ thank you regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/25/2016 11:05 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* ellanios82 [06-25-16 15:37]:

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On 06/25/2016 10:02 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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zypper se -si libreoff* herewith :- I have one package you do not and I have absolutely no idea why I have it but you may try installing it, libreoffice-kde4

if that does not solve your negative number color, you may try reinstalling the complete office, zypper -v in -r 4 --force libreoffice*

-r will assure the packages come from the correct repo

short of that, it may be some xfce configuration that has changed. You can look at which xfce packages have recently been changed/updated via: rpm -qa *xfce* --last |sort |head -n 20

if you need to see more history, increase the "head -n 20" to 30 or ...

I don't know enough about xfce and it's gnome influence, I have been kde/plasma for quite a long time, to offer further help. sorry ...

ps: when requesting help, verbosity actually helps those trying to help you. Patience wears very thin when requested information is lacking and my crystal ball quit working some years ago, 1980 or so.

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* Anton Aylward [06-25-16 16:08]:

On 06/25/2016 03:35 PM, ellanios82 wrote:

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On 06/25/2016 10:02 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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zypper se -si libreoff* [snip] i | libreoffice-writer | package | 5.2.0.0.beta2-1.1 | x86_64 | Main Repository (OSS)

And here am I thinking that tw is about "Factory:" type repositories where In find 5.2.0.1-432.1.

I really don't know where you get off calling a "beta" version 'stable".

packagers determined that the "beta" was stable enough to include. All does not rest within a name :) ps: it was discussed/explained in factory where most tw discussion is held and probably where this should be. openSUSE list is mostly for leap vers and .... more knowledgable people for problems with tw will see discussions in -factory. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/25/2016 11:17 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

ps: it was discussed/explained in factory where most tw discussion is held and probably where this should be. openSUSE list is mostly for leap vers and ....

more knowledgable people for problems with tw will see discussions in -factory.

............. for non-technical mere mortals : factory list can be hard & technical tongues 'sharp' cheers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/25/2016 04:17 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I really don't know where you get off calling a "beta" version 'stable". packagers determined that the "beta" was stable enough to include. All does not rest within a name :)

stable =/= error free Ellanios is not reporting LO/calc crashing or otherwise falling over. She is reporting a error on observed behaviour. Perhaps that's not an error to some people, but when a product does not conform to user expectations (and, as she points out does not behave like past versions or handle previously generated files the same way, something we usual associated with Microsoft Office and MS-Word in particular) I feel she has a right to complain. The whole point of pre-release, the 'release candidates', the -alpha, -beta series is to do just this, to field test, to let the users find things that aren't right that the developers missed or that were artifacts and emergent properties of other changes. The fact is that we don't know if this a problem resulting from changes in LO or an interaction with a specific version of the kernel, X11, the drivers & colour mapping or with the changes in LO. Getting details of the specific context from Ellanios, revision numbers of the software, the hardware, the drivers, the whole software stack getting to LO/calc that could affect rendering has been like pulling teeth and is still incomplete. I choose not to use 'tw', I've gone a different root. Rather than 'tw' I go for more fine control, using a number of the ":Factory" repositories. (Actually not all of them are ":Factory", Some are "home:", some are "devel:" (I used that, as you'll see in the archives, to be able to get a Ruby/Tk that didn’t crash, even though the 'distribution' one, that did crash, was marked as 'stable!) and of course there's "Kernel Stable" that I've mentioned before. Oh and "LibreOffice-5". Its not relevant to Ellanois, but I also have "KDE_Frameworks_5" and couple of repositories for stuff to do with the cloud. As Patrick says,

when requesting help, verbosity actually helps those trying to help you. Patience wears very thin when requested information is lacking

Patrick also mentioned that he, like me, gave up on the Gnomic environments and moved to KDE a long time ago, and that he, again like me, uses libreoffice-kde4 as part of the LO stack. There is also "libreoffice-gnome" for the Gnomic DE, of which xfce is one. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org