On 09/13/2010 10:43 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On 9/13/2010 8:15 PM, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday September 13 2010, John E. Perry wrote:

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...which makes me anxious to see it under opensuse (due in 11.4?). ...

You don't have to wait for 11.4, it's available for 11.3 and is easy to install. See [1] for simple instructions.

[1] http://omgsuse.com/content/how-upgrade-kde-45

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John Perry

Randall Schulz

I agree, just do the upgrade now, instead of waiting.

4.5.1 is pretty slick. (Although it STILL decided to create a whole bunch of extra Activities for no obvious reason).

Everything pretty much works.

Yep, I posted a while back on 4.5.1. We are seeing some real improvement in interface usability -- just go change the wallpaper in 4.5.1 and you will see some real steps in the right direction. However, just keep an eye out for a dbus issue that brings dolphin to its knees. <quote> Dolphin literally stop working for short periods when you interact with files (mouse over, click, right click). It's a total freeze of the application and it can take anywhere from 15-20 seconds to respond again. </quote> This should be fixed soon if it isn't fixed already. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 15. September 2010, 23:59:15 schrieb Sven Burmeister:

Am Mittwoch, 15. September 2010, 20:36:59 schrieb David C. Rankin:

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<quote> Dolphin literally stop working for short periods when you interact with files (mouse over, click, right click). It's a total freeze of the application and it can take anywhere from 15-20 seconds to respond again. </quote>

This should be fixed soon if it isn't fixed already.

My guess is that this is not a dolphin but a dbus bug and you need libdbus

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= 1.3 to get that fix.

Sorry, did not read the line that stated that it is a dbus issue. The hint regarding 1.3 is valid nevertheless. Not sure whether the dbus devs can be bothered to backport it to 1.2.x which is shipped with 11.3. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Sven Burmeister wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 15. September 2010, 20:36:59 schrieb David C. Rankin:

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<quote> Dolphin literally stop working for short periods when you interact with files (mouse over, click, right click). It's a total freeze of the application and it can take anywhere from 15-20 seconds to respond again. </quote>

This should be fixed soon if it isn't fixed already.

My guess is that this is not a dolphin but a dbus bug and you need libdbus >= 1.3 to get that fix.

Just so I understand: Per http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus#DBus1.3.1 the 1.3.x series is a development series and 1.2.x is the stable series. And of course openSUSE 11.3 was released with the stable 1.2.x series. But 1.2.x is either buggy or lacks features that dolphin for KDE 4.5 relies on. And unfortunately KDE 4.x effectively relies on dolphin as its main file manager. I'm running KDE 4.4 from the 11.3 official repos and I have not noticed any major bugs with dolphin. If I upgrade to 4.5, should I expect dolphin to become unreliable? Thanks Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 16 Sep 2010 04:57:15 Rajko M. wrote:

On Wednesday 15 September 2010 17:25:57 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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If I upgrade to 4.5, should I expect dolphin to become unreliable?

Yes. Complaints usually come after upgrade to 4.5 :( (I downgraded to 4.4 twice) Cure is dbus and kernel upgrade. I used HEAD repo for kernel. Not sure what dbus package to use.

I located few newer versions (1.3.2 and 1.4.0) in home repositories on OBS, but who knows what for they are: http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=openSUSE:11.3&q="dbus-1"

Would this also explain why my mouse pointer gets stuck every 30 secs or so? My keyboard buffer is also sluggish, and intermittently loses characters. IOW I'm typing away (I'm not a fast typer, so I'm not filling up the buffer quickly) when the screen stops displaying the characters I've typed. After a few seconds, it catches up, but may have forgotten some of the characters, so I have to keep going back and correcting my work. This can be especially frustrating when it happens while I'm entering a masked password on a website, for example. My system details are in my sig, below. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.3, Kernel 2.6.34.12-desktop, KDE 4.5.1 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 16 Sep 2010 14:43:19 Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Thursday September 16 2010, Bob Williams wrote:

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On Thursday 16 Sep 2010 04:57:15 Rajko M. wrote:

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Would this also explain why my mouse pointer gets stuck every 30 secs or so? My keyboard buffer is also sluggish, and intermittently loses characters. IOW I'm typing away (I'm not a fast typer, so I'm not filling up the buffer quickly) when the screen stops displaying the characters I've typed. After a few seconds, it catches up, but may have forgotten some of the characters, so I have to keep going back and correcting my work. This can be especially frustrating when it happens while I'm entering a masked password on a website, for example.

Does everything with a connection to the screen pause? In my experience, things that you can tell are running but don't interact with the screen continue (audio plays, e.g.) but everything else pauses. Even mouse tracking freezes during these pauses.

I run GKrellM and a CPU spike that is bout 70% kernel mode is recorded for the duration of these pauses, though it appears there only after the pause is over, since as I said, all graphics updating pauses.

I have this symptom usually only when 3D apps are running, but it can occur at other times. Some digging on the Web turned up a kernel command line (boot-time) parameter that virtually eliminated the symptom outside of 3D apps:

vmalloc=192M

However, it's still too common when running 3D apps, and I find it _extremely_ annoying and disruptive and would dearly love to figure out what's going on and how to fix it. It is definitely not periodic and the pauses are of varying durations, from less than a second to a few seconds.

I'm currently running gkrellm, Amarok, Firefox, Kontact, Krusader, two instances of OpenOffice and mc in a terminal. Yakuake is running, but hidden, and I've got KeepassX, Basketnotes and skype in the system tray. I don't think any of those are 3D apps?

This symptom appeared for me as soon as I replaced the open-source nVidia driver with the proprietary one and was unaffected by the KDE 4.5.1 upgrade.

Your description seems to fit. I also run gkrellm, and notice the spikes. I shall try the boot parameter you suggest above.

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My system details are in my sig, below.

Bob ... openSUSE 11.3, Kernel 2.6.34.12-desktop, KDE 4.5.1 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT

My configuration is similar. Dual core, not quad, 4 GB not 8, nVidia 8600GT, not 9600GT.

You don't say whether you're running 32-bit or 64. I'm running 32-bit.

64-bit

Randall Schulz

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On 09/16/2010 10:25 AM, phanisvara das wrote:

On Thursday, September 16, 2010 20:08:31 Bob Williams wrote:

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This symptom appeared for me as soon as I replaced the open-source nVidia driver with the proprietary one and was unaffected by the KDE 4.5.1 upgrade.

Your description seems to fit. I also run gkrellm, and notice the spikes.

i noticed very similar symptoms which went away when i upgraded my kernel to the one from Kernel:/HEAD (2.6.36).

-- phani.

Your lucky phani. All kernels from head through 2.6.35 worked great, the 2.6.36rc kernels have given my laptop fits. I haven't tried rc4 yet (no time to debug right now). I'll give it a try tomorrow after work and see if I can sort out the boot issues I saw in rc1-rc2. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

I recognize the whole story. I had it to. But I have a different system (AMD) but maybe its the same reason. I the bios I disabled the C1E support, and from that moment my system runs as it should. Succes, Hans On 16/09/10 15:43, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Thursday September 16 2010, Bob Williams wrote:

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On Thursday 16 Sep 2010 04:57:15 Rajko M. wrote:

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Would this also explain why my mouse pointer gets stuck every 30 secs or so? My keyboard buffer is also sluggish, and intermittently loses characters. IOW I'm typing away (I'm not a fast typer, so I'm not filling up the buffer quickly) when the screen stops displaying the characters I've typed. After a few seconds, it catches up, but may have forgotten some of the characters, so I have to keep going back and correcting my work. This can be especially frustrating when it happens while I'm entering a masked password on a website, for example.

Does everything with a connection to the screen pause? In my experience, things that you can tell are running but don't interact with the screen continue (audio plays, e.g.) but everything else pauses. Even mouse tracking freezes during these pauses.

I run GKrellM and a CPU spike that is bout 70% kernel mode is recorded for the duration of these pauses, though it appears there only after the pause is over, since as I said, all graphics updating pauses.

I have this symptom usually only when 3D apps are running, but it can occur at other times. Some digging on the Web turned up a kernel command line (boot-time) parameter that virtually eliminated the symptom outside of 3D apps:

vmalloc=192M

However, it's still too common when running 3D apps, and I find it _extremely_ annoying and disruptive and would dearly love to figure out what's going on and how to fix it. It is definitely not periodic and the pauses are of varying durations, from less than a second to a few seconds.

This symptom appeared for me as soon as I replaced the open-source nVidia driver with the proprietary one and was unaffected by the KDE 4.5.1 upgrade.

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My system details are in my sig, below.

Bob ... openSUSE 11.3, Kernel 2.6.34.12-desktop, KDE 4.5.1 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT

My configuration is similar. Dual core, not quad, 4 GB not 8, nVidia 8600GT, not 9600GT.

You don't say whether you're running 32-bit or 64. I'm running 32-bit.

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On Thursday 16 Sep 2010 16:21:07 Lew Wolfgang wrote: [...]

My symptom freezes the whole screen for a few seconds, maybe as many as five. During the freeze nothing than be done, even video from tvtime is kaput, but audio continues. The freeze was initiated when moving the mouse between open windows, causing a focus shift. Very annoying!

I followed Rajko's link above and tried a one-click dbus upgrade from this repository:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/rwooninck:/testing-knm4/ope nSUSE_11.3/

So far, this seems to have fixed the problem on my 64-bit Nvidia system! Thanks to everyone for the pointers.

Regards, Lew

That link just gives me a repository directory listing. I couldn't find a one- click link :( Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.3 64-bit, Kernel 2.6.34.12-desktop, KDE 4.4.4 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 16 Sep 2010 21:00:11 Lew Wolfgang wrote:

On 09/16/2010 09:40 AM, Bob Williams wrote:

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On Thursday 16 Sep 2010 16:21:07 Lew Wolfgang wrote: [...]

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My symptom freezes the whole screen for a few seconds, maybe as many as five. During the freeze nothing than be done, even video from tvtime is kaput, but audio continues. The freeze was initiated when moving the mouse between open windows, causing a focus shift. Very annoying!

I followed Rajko's link above and tried a one-click dbus upgrade from this repository:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/rwooninck:/testing-knm4/ ope nSUSE_11.3/

So far, this seems to have fixed the problem on my 64-bit Nvidia system! Thanks to everyone for the pointers.

Regards, Lew

That link just gives me a repository directory listing. I couldn't find a one- click link :(

The link was in Rajko's message. Here it is again:

http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=openSUSE:11.3&q="dbus-1"

The version numbers are confusing, I picked the third one from the top, which is rwooninck's.

Regards, Lew

Lew, many thanks. Got it now. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.3 64-bit, Kernel 2.6.34.12-desktop, KDE 4.4.4 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 16. September 2010, 10:45:40 schrieb Bob Williams:

Would this also explain why my mouse pointer gets stuck every 30 secs or so? My keyboard buffer is also sluggish, and intermittently loses characters. IOW I'm typing away (I'm not a fast typer, so I'm not filling up the buffer quickly) when the screen stops displaying the characters I've typed. After a few seconds, it catches up, but may have forgotten some of the characters, so I have to keep going back and correcting my work. This can be especially frustrating when it happens while I'm entering a masked password on a website, for example.

Sounds more like https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638200 Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 14 Sep 2010 15:42:48 Larry Stotler wrote:

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Sunny wrote:

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Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just reading an article??? ... in which age we live?

Yeah, That's kinda BS.

The html version is here. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1801&tag=content;leftCol I wish the author would improve his writing though as it is so poorly researched as to undermine its conclusion. Maybe we can get him writing fluffy press releases though. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday, September 14, 2010 21:30:37 John Perry wrote:

It's my understanding (from previous comments) that he's a techno-journalist with linux enthusiasm in a Microsoft-centric environment. Can you enlarge upon his errors in a short message?

i wouldn't go looking for errors normally, since i like the article as a whole. still: "The only way to go a faster route is to adopt a lighter, performance-centric window manager like Fluxbox or an even lighter weight desktop like Xfce4." --i may be mistaken, but i remember fluxbox as much 'lighter' than xfce4. "You can associate applications or files with Activities so that you have specific files or instances of applications on a specific activity." --can you? if yes, that's new to me. that's all the (perhaps) mistakes i can spot. not too many, and not too bad, IMO. he could have mentioned liveCDs, perhaps with a link, at the end. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aren't we still waiting until KDE 4.6 to get a decent multi-monitor applet which actually remembers resolutions and positions? The gnome-display-settings applet has done this for quite a while. I'd love to be using KDE, this release looks excellent but until this gets fixed its a no-go for me :( On 14 September 2010 14:42, Larry Stotler wrote:

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Sunny wrote:

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Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just reading an article??? ... in which age we live?

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Hi Will, Great news! This sounds very promising and I'd love to see it make it into 11.3. Kind Regards, Lester On 14 September 2010 17:39, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Tuesday 14 September 2010 18:19:20 Lester Wade wrote:

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Aren't we still waiting until KDE 4.6 to get a decent multi-monitor applet which actually remembers resolutions and positions? The gnome-display-settings applet has done this for quite a while.

I'd love to be using KDE, this release looks excellent but until this gets fixed its a no-go for me :(

We just fixed this for SLE11SP1 here (not publicly visible yet) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630420 and I'm seeing if we can include it in an online update to 11.3.  It does add new strings though.

Will

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On 14 September 2010 14:42, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Sunny wrote:

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Register and allow sharing your contact info to companies for just reading an article??? ... in which age we live?

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On Tuesday 14 of September 2010, Lester Wade wrote:

Aren't we still waiting until KDE 4.6 to get a decent multi-monitor applet which actually remembers resolutions and positions? The gnome-display-settings applet has done this for quite a while.

You can instead wait for a several-year-old xorg.conf that remembers resolutions and positions. Or you can do with a somewhat less old *.sh script with xrandr commands in ~/.kde4/env .

I'd love to be using KDE, this release looks excellent but until this gets fixed its a no-go for me :(

This fix, er, I mean feature introduces new translations and as such cannot be simply added to updates. -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org