Replacing Windows with Linux in a School (Help and Suggestions Appreciated)
Hi All, I have had an interesting Proposal put to me to consider. I have been approached to think about putting Linux in a school to replace their existing Windows based systems. The exact nature of just how much replacing will be done I don't know just yet, but I am seeing this as being a great opportunity to take on an exciting and interesting project. I am planning on trying to convince the school to Go with SUSE, it is my favorite dist. I am living in Australia, and Red Hat seems to be the flavor of choice here, but like I said I like SUSE. I am hoping that of all the people here on this list that someone has completed, or a least commenced a project to replace Windows with Linux, in a school environment would be Ideal, and can let me know some of the problems or traps to avoid.. I would also be very appreciative if anyone could direct me to where to find any information how to undertake such a project. I am a bit nervous about this as I have not contemplated doing this before. I appreciate all of you taking the time to read this and to get back to me. Thanks and Cheers Shane Broomhall Brisbane Australia.
I have had an interesting Proposal put to me to consider. I have been approached to think about putting Linux in a school to replace their existing Windows based systems. The exact nature of just how much replacing will be done I don't know just yet, but I am seeing this as being a great opportunity to take on an exciting and interesting project.
You miss out one important piece of information: do you mean computers which the school staff use for admin purposes, or computers which the pupils use? Or both? I have no experience, so I defer you to others; the only tip I can offer is a common sense one: start off with one or two computers, then progress from there. I doubt you needed telling that... :) -- 9:45am up 10 days, 1:59, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Hi Derek, The exact details are still vague, there was a security conference this week that a couple of my workmates attended and during it there was a lot of Microsoft bashing. It was also raised how Microsoft are milking schools. I am certain that if/when they start it will be the whole thing, but as I have not done it before it will have to be incremental. One thing at a time so I can make sure I have got it right. I see this as a challenge and a great experience. A chance to do something that when I have finished I can be proud of, and have the people I do it for pleased with the end result. My initial thoughts have been start on the servers first, file and print, mail, firewall, web,samba if needed, and then once that is in place and working start on the clients. I am hoping that once I have done some of the work the school staff will be able to assist. Cheers Shane Broomhall Brisbane Australia. On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 18:48, Derek Fountain wrote: > I have had an interesting Proposal put to me to consider. I have been > approached to think about putting Linux in a school to replace their > existing Windows based systems. The exact nature of just how much > replacing will be done I don't know just yet, but I am seeing this as > being a great opportunity to take on an exciting and interesting > project. You miss out one important piece of information: do you mean computers which the school staff use for admin purposes, or computers which the pupils use? Or both? I have no experience, so I defer you to others; the only tip I can offer is a common sense one: start off with one or two computers, then progress from there. I doubt you needed telling that... :) -- 9:45am up 10 days, 1:59, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here's some things that could be helpful for you: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2860180,00.html tells the story of Largo, Florida and how the local government there is saving $1 million annually using linux. You always hear about how linux will only be ready for prime-time when secretaries everywhere can use it without being gurus, well, these secretaries are doing just fine and most don't even realize they're running linux. It just works. When you get to the client end of things, you'll face a similar problem of non-savvy teachers, and you'll want to make everything super-easy super-intuitive to keep everyone happy. You might learn something from this example. Linux for Schools Project (UK) http://www.lfsp.org/ Opensourceschools.org -- Sys Admin page http://opensourceschools.org/index.php?topic=ossTechies Simple End User Linux for Schools http://www.seul.org/edu/ K12OS.org - Install and configure Linux for your school. http://k12os.org/ KDE Edutainment http://edu.kde.org/ Schoolforge.net http://schoolforge.net SuSE Linux Schools Page (UK) - Fact Sheet and Mailing List info http://www.suse.co.uk/uk/company/schools/ GNU/Linux Terminal Server for Schools http://termserv.berlios.de/ Linux In The Classrom - Resources http://www.thestuph.com/litc/resources.html That should give you some research to do this weekend! Shane A Broomhall wrote: | Hi Derek, | | The exact details are still vague, there was a security conference this | week that a couple of my workmates attended and during it there was a | lot of Microsoft bashing. It was also raised how Microsoft are milking | schools. | | I am certain that if/when they start it will be the whole thing, but as | I have not done it before it will have to be incremental. One thing at a | time so I can make sure I have got it right. I see this as a challenge | and a great experience. A chance to do something that when I have | finished I can be proud of, and have the people I do it for pleased with | the end result. | | My initial thoughts have been start on the servers first, file and | print, mail, firewall, web,samba if needed, and then once that is in | place and working start on the clients. I am hoping that once I have | done some of the work the school staff will be able to assist. | | Cheers | | Shane Broomhall | | Brisbane Australia. | | | | On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 18:48, Derek Fountain wrote: | | > I have had an interesting Proposal put to me to consider. I have been | > approached to think about putting Linux in a school to replace their | > existing Windows based systems. The exact nature of just how much | > replacing will be done I don't know just yet, but I am seeing this as | > being a great opportunity to take on an exciting and interesting | > project. | | You miss out one important piece of information: do you mean computers which | the school staff use for admin purposes, or computers which the pupils use? | Or both? | | I have no experience, so I defer you to others; the only tip I can offer is a | common sense one: start off with one or two computers, then progress from | there. I doubt you needed telling that... :) | | -- | 9:45am up 10 days, 1:59, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | | -- | To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com | For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com | Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com | | | - -- Brian Support EFF! http://www.eff.org/ They're defending YOUR rights online. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE87PcyATQSaAIcWwsRAthpAJ0bAL5TweneNiAi7rYYdwU3lDMiuACg2BjL 06LiHkP4/HfXbhU9N2FTRos= =VUeZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Outstanding Brian, Thanks for those links the money saving will really appeal to them, and perhaps get some charities interested. I appreciate the links, and the feedback from everyone on the list. Thanks and Cheers Shane Broomhall Brisbane Aust On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 00:05, Brian W. Carver wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here's some things that could be helpful for you: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2860180,00.html tells the story of Largo, Florida and how the local government there is saving $1 million annually using linux. You always hear about how linux will only be ready for prime-time when secretaries everywhere can use it without being gurus, well, these secretaries are doing just fine and most don't even realize they're running linux. It just works. When you get to the client end of things, you'll face a similar problem of non-savvy teachers, and you'll want to make everything super-easy super-intuitive to keep everyone happy. You might learn something from this example. Linux for Schools Project (UK) http://www.lfsp.org/ Opensourceschools.org -- Sys Admin page http://opensourceschools.org/index.php?topic=ossTechies Simple End User Linux for Schools http://www.seul.org/edu/ K12OS.org - Install and configure Linux for your school. http://k12os.org/ KDE Edutainment http://edu.kde.org/ Schoolforge.net http://schoolforge.net SuSE Linux Schools Page (UK) - Fact Sheet and Mailing List info http://www.suse.co.uk/uk/company/schools/ GNU/Linux Terminal Server for Schools http://termserv.berlios.de/ Linux In The Classrom - Resources http://www.thestuph.com/litc/resources.html That should give you some research to do this weekend! Shane A Broomhall wrote: | Hi Derek, | | The exact details are still vague, there was a security conference this | week that a couple of my workmates attended and during it there was a | lot of Microsoft bashing. It was also raised how Microsoft are milking | schools. | | I am certain that if/when they start it will be the whole thing, but as | I have not done it before it will have to be incremental. One thing at a | time so I can make sure I have got it right. I see this as a challenge | and a great experience. A chance to do something that when I have | finished I can be proud of, and have the people I do it for pleased with | the end result. | | My initial thoughts have been start on the servers first, file and | print, mail, firewall, web,samba if needed, and then once that is in | place and working start on the clients. I am hoping that once I have | done some of the work the school staff will be able to assist. | | Cheers | | Shane Broomhall | | Brisbane Australia. | | | | On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 18:48, Derek Fountain wrote: | | > I have had an interesting Proposal put to me to consider. I have been | > approached to think about putting Linux in a school to replace their | > existing Windows based systems. The exact nature of just how much | > replacing will be done I don't know just yet, but I am seeing this as | > being a great opportunity to take on an exciting and interesting | > project. | | You miss out one important piece of information: do you mean computers which | the school staff use for admin purposes, or computers which the pupils use? | Or both? | | I have no experience, so I defer you to others; the only tip I can offer is a | common sense one: start off with one or two computers, then progress from | there. I doubt you needed telling that... :) | | -- | 9:45am up 10 days, 1:59, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | | -- | To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com | For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com | Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com | | | - -- Brian Support EFF! http://www.eff.org/ They're defending YOUR rights online. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE87PcyATQSaAIcWwsRAthpAJ0bAL5TweneNiAi7rYYdwU3lDMiuACg2BjL 06LiHkP4/HfXbhU9N2FTRos= =VUeZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The best link for this topic is, by far, www.seul.org - information, programs, and some stories. DoPo
Hi. We just did it this academic year. Unless you have a large budget for new machines then keep the windows machines and use a SuSE server. Works great and speeds up our old P100's very well. It's called Samba and is available with all SuSE distributions. You can keep old windows machines going and share printers, files etc. You can also incorporate SuSE machines too but unless they are powerful enough the students will not use them as they compare them with the graphical front end of windows. The central server is important. Our AMD overheated at the start of most lessons when demand peaked. The Intel chips seem much more reliable. You'll need a broad band DSL connection too. Use squidGuard under squid to cut out the sites you don't want them seeing or chatting upon when your back's turned. There is no specific information on this as far as we have found out but the folk on this list are the most patient I have ever experienced. Being of similar backgrounds them maybe we could get a 'school howto' together. Good luck, Steve. On Thursday 23 May 2002 10:40, Shane A Broomhall wrote:
Hi All,
I have had an interesting Proposal put to me to consider. I have been approached to think about putting Linux in a school to replace their existing Windows based systems. The exact nature of just how much replacing will be done I don't know just yet, but I am seeing this as being a great opportunity to take on an exciting and interesting project.
I am planning on trying to convince the school to Go with SUSE, it is my favorite dist. I am living in Australia, and Red Hat seems to be the flavor of choice here, but like I said I like SUSE. I am hoping that of all the people here on this list that someone has completed, or a least commenced a project to replace Windows with Linux, in a school environment would be Ideal, and can let me know some of the problems or traps to avoid..
I would also be very appreciative if anyone could direct me to where to find any information how to undertake such a project.
I am a bit nervous about this as I have not contemplated doing this before.
I appreciate all of you taking the time to read this and to get back to me.
Thanks and Cheers
Shane Broomhall
Brisbane Australia.
participants (5)
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Brian W. Carver
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Derek Fountain
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Douglas Pichardo
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Shane A Broomhall
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steve