On Fri, 2003-05-02 at 19:34, Tom Nielsen wrote:

In the "business world" folks do what ever is quicker....and this is quicker and that's normally top replies.

It may be quicker to write, but it's certainly not quicker to read and grasp context. Is it customary in the business world to confuse your correspondents? This reply is a case in point: with your text quoted as above, even if you read this next week you will still instantly see what the "It" refers to. In a top-post, you would have to read through the whole thread. Not very efficient and business like

But if you notice, my signature appears at the bottom of this email. When I use outlook, it appears under my current entry. Am I doing something wrong?

Yes, you are using outlook and you are top posting, both are no-nos in my book, although of vastly different severity

On Fri, 2003-05-02 at 11:00, Charles Philip Chan wrote:

On 02 May 2003 10:34:58 -0700 Tom Nielsen wrote:

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Convention and the "business world" seem to be 2 different things.

Not true, depending on your business contacts.

U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, IBM, Sun, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, DOE, CIA, blah, blah, blah....pretty much all do what I described. The funny part is that the folks I work with are IT people or systems' project managers. It's actually pretty funny, I have massive threads from going back and forth with folks and everytime I need to go back to re-read a subject, I have to start way down at the bottom. I even find myself becoming annoyed by it.

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For example, this group usually flames guys like me for what I'm doing now...replying on top.

And rightly so.

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In the "business world" folks do what ever is quicker....and this is quicker and that's normally top replies.

Only due to the poor design of some email programs, such as "Micro$oft Outhouse".

True. In Evolution, as soon as I hit reply, the cursor appears on the top of the previous message. I would like to find a way to automatically have it appear below the message, but that would create a huge problem with other people's emails. It would look something like this... reply4 reply2 original reply reply 3 This is just based on the emails I get on a daily basis.

Here is a link for you:

http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/Email-Quotes.html

Thanks, I'll take a look!

Charles

In a previous message, Tom Nielsen wrote:

Convention and the "business world" seem to be 2 different things

Indeed - in the business world (i.e. in intranets, where bandwidth isn't usually an issue) it is common to keep the whole of the thread in all messages related to it. (This is still silly, because people ought to be archiving all important correspondence, but hey!) However, this is also why putting the sig above quoted material but below the reply (as you originally asked) is a Bad Idea. As I said, many mail progs will not quote anything below a sig separator, so if you put your sig above the quoted material then most people's emailers will snip it when they reply to you - losing what you originally seemed to want (the perpetual quoting of all messages). If you don't want to keep all the previous replies at the bottom, then don't quote them yourself :-)

But if you notice, my signature appears at the bottom of this email. When I use outlook, it appears under my current entry. Am I doing something wrong?

No, you're currently doing something right :-) Outlook will by default quote all the sigs as well, which just makes the perpetually quoted messages even longer and harder to parse when you read them. HTH John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you!

On Fri, 2003-05-02 at 22:23, Joe Dufresne wrote:

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Tom Nielsen wrote:

| But if you notice, my signature appears at the bottom of this email. | When I use outlook, it appears under my current entry. Am I doing | something wrong? |

Yes. Using outlook

Yuckie! I wasn't using outlook....Evolution 1.2.4

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* O'Smith (penguin0601@earthlink.net) [030503 14:02]: ->On Saturday 03 May 2003 16:23, Tom Nielsen wrote: ->> On Fri, 2003-05-02 at 22:23, Joe Dufresne wrote: ->> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ->> > Hash: SHA1 ->> > ->> > Tom Nielsen wrote: ->> > | But if you notice, my signature appears at the bottom of this ->> > | email. When I use outlook, it appears under my current entry. Am ->> > | I doing something wrong? ->> > ->> > Yes. Using outlook ->> ->> Yuckie! I wasn't using outlook....Evolution 1.2.4 ->***************** -> ->Ok, well that's the same thing, just the Linux version of Outlook! Ok. I'll be an ass as well. KMail is just the Unix version of Outlook Express. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.