Greg Freemyer schreef:

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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I am considering the purchase of a not too expensive windows free PC, mainly for office work and I would like to know your opinion about the following config proposed by the retailer to be sure there will be no unsolvable problems with openSuSE 10.2 or10.3

Motherboard : Asus P5GC-MX/775 Processor Intel Pentium IV-641, 3.2 Ghz /S 775 - 2 Mo DDR Go HDD 80 Go 7200 rps SATA 8 Mo

I have no experience with that product. I did install 10.3 on a slightly older P5GD1-VM just last Friday.

Understand that Asus motherboards have a good reputation, but that Asus the company does not, which is important if you ever need support from it. Its web site seems to get frequent redesigns by people who have no understanding of usability, which often makes finding things like manuals and BIOS updates difficult or impossible. Downloads are normally SLOW, because Asus seems to like to bunch unrelated files in large archives even though what one actually needs may only be a few kb in size. http://web.archive.org/web/20070610141850/mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Suck...

Agreed on the Asus the company issue.

We are putting together a PO for a replacement set of machines at work. We suggested Asus to the integrator and they highly recommended we go with Intel instead due to maintenance and support issues.

FYI: My post about having to tweak voltage levels of the RAM related to a couple different Asus MBs we have here.

Greg

Indeed, Asus has very bad support, in that sense that they have a rather strange system to report your problem, and it takes much too long before you have the solution that fits. Elite has good boards, and a good service, excelent manuals, and easy to find drivers and bios updates, for all models they ever made. They shine on very small boards, atx, with all on board. The newest have one hdd/dvd ide slot, one floppy ide, and two sata. They have all on board, but extra pci express for video card, and two slots for other, if you want an extra soundcard or whatever. They support both AMD and Intel, and are not particularly expensive, certainly if one looks on the net to compare prices. M9. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Paul Ollion schreef:

On Wednesday 05 March 2008 07:41, Monkey 9 wrote:

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Greg Freemyer schreef:

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On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2008/03/04 14:56 (GMT+0100) Paul Ollion apparently typed:

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I am considering the purchase of a not too expensive windows free PC, mainly for office work and I would like to know your opinion about the following config proposed by the retailer to be sure there will be no unsolvable problems with openSuSE 10.2 or10.3

Motherboard : Asus P5GC-MX/775 Processor Intel Pentium IV-641, 3.2 Ghz /S 775 - 2 Mo DDR Go HDD 80 Go 7200 rps SATA 8 Mo

I have no experience with that product. I did install 10.3 on a slightly older P5GD1-VM just last Friday.

Understand that Asus motherboards have a good reputation, but that Asus the company does not,

Agreed on the Asus the company issue.

We are putting together a PO for a replacement set of machines at work. We suggested Asus to the integrator and they highly recommended we go with Intel instead due to maintenance and support issues.

FYI: My post about having to tweak voltage levels of the RAM related to a couple different Asus MBs we have here.

Greg

Indeed, Asus has very bad support, in that sense that they have a rather strange system to report your problem, and it takes much too long before you have the solution that fits. Elite has good boards, M9.

Thanks Felix, Greg and M9

Your three advices are unanimous to make me avoid Asus products because of their bad support. That's what I will do and I am now examining Elite boards.

Regards.

Take your time, as you will likely use your "new' PC for some time.. and let us know what you went for.. ;) M9. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.24.1-6-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha2 KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 17" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Paul Ollion schreef:

On Wednesday 05 March 2008 21:05, Oddball wrote:

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Paul Ollion schreef:

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On Wednesday 05 March 2008 07:41, Monkey 9 wrote:

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Greg Freemyer schreef:

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On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2008/03/04 14:56 (GMT+0100) Paul Ollion apparently typed: > I am considering the purchase of a not too expensive windows free > PC, mainly for office work and I would like to know your opinion > about the following config proposed by the retailer to be sure > there will be no unsolvable problems with openSuSE 10.2 or10.3 > > Motherboard : Asus P5GC-MX/775 > Processor Intel Pentium IV-641, 3.2 Ghz /S 775 - 2 Mo > DDR Go > HDD 80 Go 7200 rps SATA 8 Mo

I have no experience with that product. I did install 10.3 on a slightly older P5GD1-VM just last Friday.

Understand that Asus motherboards have a good reputation, but that Asus the company does not,

Agreed on the Asus the company issue.

We are putting together a PO for a replacement set of machines at work. We suggested Asus to the integrator and they highly recommended we go with Intel instead due to maintenance and support issues.

FYI: My post about having to tweak voltage levels of the RAM related to a couple different Asus MBs we have here.

Greg

Indeed, Asus has very bad support, in that sense that they have a rather strange system to report your problem, and it takes much too long before you have the solution that fits. Elite has good boards, M9.

Thanks Felix, Greg and M9

Your three advices are unanimous to make me avoid Asus products because of their bad support. That's what I will do and I am now examining Elite boards.

Regards.

Take your time, as you will likely use your "new' PC for some time.. and let us know what you went for.. ;)

M9.

Thanks M9

My retailer cannot provide Elite motherboards, but we found an MSI one with a Intel chipset that could do instead. it has all the modern usual connectors and Is interesting for us with the presence of parrallel and serial ports which will allow the employment of some old printers and mice. I hope there will not be any major problems with it.but will it run under openSuSE 10.2 or shall we have to use 10.3 ?

The card type is MSI - 945 GCM5-f V2

it has Intel chipset 945 GC - ICH 7 for USB, SATA, bus master, IDE, PCI, ACPI2

Hi Paul, (I made a mistake with Asus, i used one myself and did only have trouble with it when running under 1gig RAM. It is still in use with someone else, who is very satisfied with it. What gave me a lot of, still unsolved trouble, was Aopen, sorry for that .. ;( ) They both won't likely be any problem, sometimes it is wise to look what kind a videocard you want/can use (if there is one onboard with shared ram, look at the max share size. These onboard cards usualy run instantly, but if you want 'heavy gaming', or extensive 'cad' use, you should need the more the better, and if the board supports dual channel ram, that would be swell.) If you specialy want compiz or beryl, i'd suggest you'd look around a bit: http://swik.net/Xgl?popular wil show something. I know there is a site with tested cards, but have to look for it. M9. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.24.1-6-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha2 KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 20" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Paul Ollion schreef:

On Thursday 06 March 2008 16:30, Oddball wrote:

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Paul Ollion schreef:

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On Wednesday 05 March 2008 21:05, Oddball wrote:

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Paul Ollion schreef:

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On Wednesday 05 March 2008 07:41, Monkey 9 wrote:

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Greg Freemyer schreef:

> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > >> On 2008/03/04 14:56 (GMT+0100) Paul Ollion apparently typed: >> > I am considering the purchase of a not too expensive windows >> > free PC, mainly for office work and I would like to know your >> > opinion about the following config proposed by the retailer to be >> > sure there will be no unsolvable problems with openSuSE 10.2 >> > or10.3 >> > >> > Motherboard : Asus P5GC-MX/775 >> > Processor Intel Pentium IV-641, 3.2 Ghz /S 775 - 2 Mo >> > DDR Go >> > HDD 80 Go 7200 rps SATA 8 Mo >> >> I have no experience with that product. I did install 10.3 on a >> slightly older P5GD1-VM just last Friday. >> >> Understand that Asus motherboards have a good reputation, but that >> Asus the company does not, >> > Agreed on the Asus the company issue. > > We are putting together a PO for a replacement set of machines at > work. We suggested Asus to the integrator and they highly > recommended we go with Intel instead due to maintenance and support > issues. > > FYI: My post about having to tweak voltage levels of the RAM related > to a couple different Asus MBs we have here. > > Greg > Indeed, Asus has very bad support, in that sense that they have a rather strange system to report your problem, and it takes much too long before you have the solution that fits. Elite has good boards, M9.

Thanks Felix, Greg and M9

Your three advices are unanimous to make me avoid Asus products because of their bad support. That's what I will do and I am now examining Elite boards.

Regards.

Take your time, as you will likely use your "new' PC for some time.. and let us know what you went for.. ;)

M9.

Thanks M9

My retailer cannot provide Elite motherboards, but we found an MSI one with a Intel chipset that could do instead. it has all the modern usual connectors and Is interesting for us with the presence of parrallel and serial ports which will allow the employment of some old printers and mice. I hope there will not be any major problems with it.but will it run under openSuSE 10.2 or shall we have to use 10.3 ?

The card type is MSI - 945 GCM5-f V2

it has Intel chipset 945 GC - ICH 7 for USB, SATA, bus master, IDE, PCI, ACPI2

Hi Paul,

They both won't likely be any problem, sometimes it is wise to look what kind a videocard you want/can use (if there is one onboard with shared ram, look at the max share size. These onboard cards usualy run instantly, but if you want 'heavy gaming', or extensive 'cad' use, you should need the more the better, and if the board supports dual channel ram, that would be swell.)

Thanks M9 I forgot to mention the video controller is Intel GMA 950 I suppose it is enough for office use and viewing some DVDs

Paul, that won't be a trouble at all.. ;) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.24.1-6-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha2 KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 20" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philipp Thomas schreef:

ridiculous!

Philipp

Don't read it.. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.24.1-6-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha2 KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 20" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Gabriel schreef:

Please, read http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette#Quoting

please GFY ;) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.24.1-6-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha2 KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 20" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Steve Jeppesen schreef:

ignorance is bliss, but what does GFY mean?

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Steve Jeppesen schreef:

filtered then. ;)

There are already two possibilities, see Anders Johansson, choose the one that fits best, just like Jerry Houston suggests ;) Sometimes it helps, if one rereads the thread... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.24.1-6-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha2 KDE: 4.0.2 (KDE 4.0.2) "release 8.1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Steve Jeppesen wrote:

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Gabriel schreef:

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Please, read http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette#Quoting

please GFY ;)

ignorance is bliss, but what does GFY mean?

Obviously, it means "good for you"! It's nice to see such pleasant banter here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Steve Jeppesen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:51:28 +0100 Oddball wrote:

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Gabriel schreef:

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Please, read http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette#Quoting

please GFY ;)

ignorance is bliss, but what does GFY mean?

This was in response to oddball being asked politely to trim his replies and he not so politely told that person to "Go F*&# Yourself". -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

Ken Schneider schreef:

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Steve Jeppesen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

This was in response to oddball being asked politely to trim his replies and he not so politely told that person to "Go F*&# Yourself".

First i said: please, and second, i trimmed the quotes immediately after Philipp Thomas brought this kindly to my attention. Than Gabriel comes with his url to get on me nerves...

What is not polite about saying: please (fill in the '3' letters where is all the fuss about) when he assumes i did not read the netiquette?

( i found out that the new signing makes ugly quotation lines like |>, and i like all the colours more, festive...:)

So asking someone to "Please GFY" is different then just plain "GFY"? Neither is acceptable on this list in my opinion. Both should have taken place off list in a private exchange. Keep in mind that Gabriel may have written his response first but it just took longer to arrive at the list server. I have at times seen a 30 minute delay in my messages arriving to the list server because of some error by my ISP. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:58:58 -0500 Ken Schneider wrote:

Steve Jeppesen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:51:28 +0100 Oddball wrote:

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Gabriel schreef:

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Please, read http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette#Quoting

please GFY ;)

ignorance is bliss, but what does GFY mean?

This was in response to oddball being asked politely to trim his replies and he not so politely told that person to "Go F*&# Yourself".

That's what I gathered too. Question is, why is that person still here? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz schreef:

On Sunday 09 March 2008 04:47, Steve Jeppesen wrote:

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On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:58:58 -0500

Ken Schneider wrote:

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Steve Jeppesen pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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This was in response to oddball being asked politely to trim his replies and he not so politely told that person to "Go F*&# Yourself".

That's what I gathered too. Question is, why is that person still here?

Probably because keeping on top of all the rude boys on this list would be a full-time job.

RRS

Okay ladies, the point is well taken, i won't reply on this nomore.. ;) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.24.1-6-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha2 KDE: 4.0.2 (KDE 4.0.2) "release 8.1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Paul Ollion wrote:

On Wednesday 05 March 2008 07:41, Monkey 9 wrote:

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Greg Freemyer schreef:

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On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2008/03/04 14:56 (GMT+0100) Paul Ollion apparently typed:

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I am considering the purchase of a not too expensive windows free PC, mainly for office work and I would like to know your opinion about the following config proposed by the retailer to be sure there will be no unsolvable problems with openSuSE 10.2 or10.3

Motherboard : Asus P5GC-MX/775 Processor Intel Pentium IV-641, 3.2 Ghz /S 775 - 2 Mo DDR Go HDD 80 Go 7200 rps SATA 8 Mo

I have no experience with that product. I did install 10.3 on a slightly older P5GD1-VM just last Friday.

Understand that Asus motherboards have a good reputation, but that Asus the company does not, Agreed on the Asus the company issue.

We are putting together a PO for a replacement set of machines at work. We suggested Asus to the integrator and they highly recommended we go with Intel instead due to maintenance and support issues.

FYI: My post about having to tweak voltage levels of the RAM related to a couple different Asus MBs we have here.

Greg Indeed, Asus has very bad support, in that sense that they have a rather strange system to report your problem, and it takes much too long before you have the solution that fits. Elite has good boards, M9.

Since 2000, I have run a number of different boards with Linux. My favorite boards are (in no particular order, Abit gives greatest ability to adjust voltages, etc): Abit, MSI Gigabyte Tyan Never had a problem with any of the above running Linux Video: Nvidia 8600GT, 8800 if money is no object Power Supply: Thermaltake or Corsair (550-750W) NOW - for the BEST hardware tip/advise I can give: THE CASE: ANTEC 180P OR 182P, don't even think about anything else... these Antec cases are absolutely fantastic, quiet, rock solid, reasonable on price and a joy to work with and have some of the best cooling specs. around. They also come with ports in the back for liquid cooling if you really want to get serious about thermal control. Front usb, firewire and audio. Good Luck. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 07 March 2008 13:46, Philipp Thomas wrote:

* David C. Rankin (drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com) [20080307 08:11]:

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Never had a problem with any of the above running Linux

My boards were Tyan, Gigabyte, MSI and Asus and I didn't have problems with them.

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Power Supply: Thermaltake or Corsair (550-750W)

For a noraml dual core machine and a card of the 8600 GT class 550W would IMHO be overkill.

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THE CASE: ANTEC 180P OR 182P, don't even think about anything else...

Given the price of efficient water cooling equipment, it only makes sense if you want to overclock. Otherwise you can build quiet machines with good cooling with conventional methods.

Philipp

Thanks all of you Your advices were very fast and to the point. I now have to see with my retailer what we can do. I will keep you informed of the final config and how OpenSuSE behaved with it. Though I am confident that there will be no urgent call for help on the list . This machine is not intended to do hard graphic work but mainly office jobs and therefore I do not think it will need overcooling. Kind regards -- Paul Ollion Proud Linux user SuSE 10.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org