Not all WYSIWYG editors produce rubbish. Read my other post mentioning DreamWeaver. The code is tight and very easy to maintain. It is a professional tool for professionals. I take it you haven't tried version 3? I do agree, most older editors were poor - but try some of the new ones and you'll be switching between positioning and fine tuning hand coding in no time. If I had a choice of producing professional websites quickly and easily or by hand coding - I'd choose the easy, quick way everytime. Why make life difficult for yourself? I started off, like any other web designer, by hand coding web pages. Yes, it is possible - but I achieve the same end result in a fraction of the time with DreamWeaver. And when I do something faster and better I get paid more and quicker. In fact, I'm looking at our intranet web site - no impossible code there. All designed in DW3. The only time I hand edit something is when I'm inserting PHP. And, to make efficient use of WYSIWYG editors, you do have to have a fundamental knowledge of HTML and any scripting that might go with it. Otherwise you produce tacky "Bedroom" web pages. And... to go back to the original post... I think the point I'm emphasising and agreeing with the first post of this - Linux needs a DreamWeaver. Kev
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Talacko [mailto:talacko@yarn.demon.co.uk] Sent: 22 May 2000 21:40 To: Rusty Cc: SuSE Linux Mailing list Subject: Re: [SLE] Is Linux Ready?
You know, I read all of the posts that were written regarding whether or
I don't want to write HTML in vi. In fact I don't want to ever write anything in vi or TeTex. I enjoy a few creature comforts from time to time and for the time being it seems that Linux does not yet offer enough to compete.
Well, I HATE WYSIWYG HTML editors. The produce rubbish HTML which is impossible to understand. In fact, when you make the mistake of writing something in them, you have to go back by hand and change it all.
I use Emacs's html-helper-mode which is good. Not as good as the PageSpinner on the Mac, and probably not as good as Arachnophilia, but it is fine.
Rusty
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Who makes Dreamweaver? Do they do a trial version?
And... to go back to the original post... I think the point I'm emphasising and agreeing with the first post of this - Linux needs a DreamWeaver.
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Macromedia
http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/
Our in-house grafx kid uses it cuz he knows less than a lick of HTML.
Check out http://www.haggleware.com/ which was done w/ Dreamweaver 3.
Granted there's not much content, take a look @ the HTML code ("view
source") and you'll see how tight it is. It's even formatted nicely. :)
Ciao,
kw
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And... to go back to the original post... I think the point I'm emphasising and agreeing with the first post of this - Linux needs a DreamWeaver.
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Keith Warno tapped away at the keyboard with:
Macromedia
http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/
Our in-house grafx kid uses it cuz he knows less than a lick of HTML.
Check out http://www.haggleware.com/ which was done w/ Dreamweaver 3. Granted there's not much content, take a look @ the HTML code ("view source") and you'll see how tight it is. It's even formatted nicely. :)
But unbrowsable! The former says: Macromedia Dreamweaver FRAME: logo FRAME: ad FRAME: contents Your browser does not support frames. Please download a current version of either Microsoft Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator and try visiting our site again. Thank You. The latter shows a page of images - with meaningless/missing ALT tags. Isn't the tool supposed to ensure accessability? See: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ or more specifically http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG10/ Don't think it's a problem? Think how it'll look on the screen of your mobile phone. -- Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning Perth, Western Australia -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Poor old Bluefish. Now they *do* do a trial version! :
Who makes Dreamweaver? Do they do a trial version?
And... to go back to the original post... I think the point I'm emphasising and agreeing with the first post of this - Linux needs a DreamWeaver.
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bernie＠innovative.iinet.net.au -
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keith＠HaggleWare.com -
kevin.jackson＠jhallpr.demon.co.uk