* Christopher Mahmood (ckm@suse.com) [030513 10:56]: ->* Thomas (thomas@phgroup.fr) [030513 07:08]: ->> You can set the limite in the main.cf of your postfix server with : ->> message_size_limit = 50000000 ->> (50 Mo) -> ->But any sane mail server will bounce a message that's 50M. Amen. Email wasn't designed to transfer large files like this. I wish people would understand this. People need to remember what FTP is. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction.

* Togan Muftuoglu (toganm@dinamizm.com) [030513 11:05]: ->* Ben Rosenberg; on 13 May, 2003 wrote: ->>Amen. Email wasn't designed to transfer large files like this. I wish ->>people would understand this. People need to remember what FTP is. -> ->They will be able to remember when they know such thing exists. Average ->office user ( at least on this side on the planet) thinks everything can ->be emailed :-) Well, when the email admins at their ISP's and in their offices correctly setup the server to reject these files outright and to serve back a popup message explaining that this isn't possible then they won't have a choice. But then again I forgot that there are tons of MCSE's out there who are no better then regular users with some manuals. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction.

* Togan Muftuoglu (toganm@dinamizm.com) [030513 11:01]:

* Ben Rosenberg; on 13 May, 2003 wrote:

...

Amen. Email wasn't designed to transfer large files like this. I wish people would understand this. People need to remember what FTP is.

They will be able to remember when they know such thing exists. Average office user ( at least on this side on the planet) thinks everything can be emailed :-)

It could be much worse: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=qmail&m=105231378428841&w=2 -- -ckm

On Tuesday 13 May 2003 11:22, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* Christopher Mahmood (ckm@suse.com) [030513 11:18]: ->* Togan Muftuoglu (toganm@dinamizm.com) [030513 11:01]: ->> * Ben Rosenberg; on 13 May, 2003 wrote: ->> >Amen. Email wasn't designed to transfer large files like this. I wish ->> >people would understand this. People need to remember what FTP is. ->> ->> They will be able to remember when they know such thing exists. Average ->> office user ( at least on this side on the planet) thinks everything can ->> be emailed :-) -> ->It could be much worse: ->http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=qmail&m=105231378428841&w=2

Those people just need to be slapped. What a bunch of morons.

"I have a problem. I tried to email my friend last night after dinner a 260MB patch for the game we play on a lan together. But then my machine began to run really really slow and then it just locked up, now my mail servers is acting weird. What happened?" Some people do get it - Email was designed a long time ago and those that did so never intended, or even considered it to be able to transfer large bulk files - ROFL. And the admins at charter.net make me wonder also. Admin bafflement as to why the mail server locked up. Charters mail server is always crashing. I don't know how many times I have called tech support to see if my config got kludged or their mail servers was down - every single time they had a server crash. I got one guy to admit they used an M$ mail server and it often can't handle the peak traffic loads, especially the after dinner hours when everyone gets on line and that's when it usually crashes - between 7 and 9 pm - everytime. "We run >1 gig messages internally everyday and a 30meg limit on outbound messages. No problems and no worries so far." I can see next weeks message. "My system went down hard yesterday - what happened." LOL, Curtis.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 13 May 2003 11:28 am, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

* Christopher Mahmood; on 13 May, 2003 wrote:

...

It could be much worse: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=qmail&m=105231378428841&w=2

Holy sh..t Are these people nuts

possibly, possibly not -- while I don't condone the use of e-mail as a transfer mechanism either, it does have some plus points. If you think about it long enough, I'm sure you'll find a few. I'm also sure you'll find a "better" way of doing it, but there might be mitigating factors, like one of the computers not having a critical piece of software, such as ftp... (don't laugh -- I know one that didn't have FTP until the mid/late 90's) It is also possible [likely, actually] that the "1 gig messages" being passed via e-mail are either coming from a mini/mainframe system (like I said, perhaps "ftp" doesn't exist), or are something that has a low "time critical" component -- I recall reading that during filming of "Lord of the Rings", dailies and other (digital) photos were sent via e-mail halfway around the world where the next "team" working on the project would pick it up and either enhance it [photo retouch/add special effects] or make decisions on the next day's shooting [and then forward everything to the next time zone for further processing -- I hear that for a while, "the sun never set" on the project as a whole] The point being is that these don't need to have "instant" access as if the computer halfway round the world were part of your filesystem, but does need to get there [reliably and, presumably, securely] - -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://osnut.homelinux.net/TomEmerson.asc iD8DBQE+wU5TV/YHUqq2SwsRAoa/AJ4z4YEtnmEWgnYJ/XZj+HIotwWYMgCeLG36 WuujM0ez02M0Xtr2IF0T4nQ= =Z7jV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Forget FTP. Use scp. For Windows users, there's WinSCP (free) which is very intuitive with it's explorer like features of browse, cut , copy, paste, drag & drop, etc. Now if I can just find something like this for rsync. chas Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

* Ben Rosenberg; on 13 May, 2003 wrote:

...

Amen. Email wasn't designed to transfer large files like this. I wish people would understand this. People need to remember what FTP is.

They will be able to remember when they know such thing exists. Average office user ( at least on this side on the planet) thinks everything can be emailed :-)

At 10:58 AM 5/13/2003 -0700, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

->But any sane mail server will bounce a message that's 50M.

Amen. Email wasn't designed to transfer large files like this. I wish people would understand this. People need to remember what FTP is. Or learn what it is an how to use it. I dare say most computer users do not know what ftp is.

jack

It is also sometimes easier to be a bit loose on the email server config than to spend hours trying to reach one of your clients because the presentation he sent you was refused by the mail server. I don't see myself explaining to this client the presentation must be sent by ftp (does he know what ftp is anyway?). "Carlos E. R." wrote:

The 03.05.13 at 10:58, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

...

->But any sane mail server will bounce a message that's 50M.

Amen. Email wasn't designed to transfer large files like this. I wish people would understand this. People need to remember what FTP is.

You are forgetting many people do not have the option to use ftp. To send somebody a file you need at least one of the sides to have a full time ftp server available... whereas many ISPs provide free email, not many have a free ftp server, I think.

Now, that's for private people or small business. For bigger bussiness... it would be just a question of training office personnel. A secretary might not know what ftp is.

-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

-- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

The 03.05.14 at 07:13, John wrote:

So 'teach' him/her. If they have any amount of intelligence they'd understand why you want them to know this, and will understand it's not such a good thing to be so ignorant of such a simple thing. Example: Which do you really think is harder to learn...how to use the spreadsheet, word processor, and presentation tools well, *or* how to use an ftp client? My money goes on

It is not so simple a problem. Ok, an ftp client might be simple - I don't know, it is very simple for me, but perhaps not for the average office person: we should ask them. But the question is the server, the service. First, you need an FTP server available with write access (for example, I have none). Then you need some type of authentification: I mean, the file was sent by somebody, and will be received by somebody. Email gives that feeling of authenticity (I say "feeling" because it can be forged). How do you set up an FTP server so that I, and only I, can put a file, and ensure that only the intended recipient can retrieve it? Further more, how do you do that for dozens of diferent senders, recipients, and files, in any combination? And sending an email is so simple! You only type the address, and the person will duly receive it, and probably nobody else will. Email was not designed to send big files. Then, these people need something else to send files with the simplicity of email. They will not care if email was not designed for that use, or if it breaks... Mend it! Design it! That would be their answer, IMO. That said, I never send big files on email. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson