How can I activate the Win key on my keyboard under SuSE 9.1 and KDE 3.2? Going to Control Center / Regional and Accessibility / Keyboard Shortcuts / Modifier Keys / KDE Modifiers, I see that the Win modifier is listed as "none". I've fiddled around with the parameters in Keyboard Layout with no success. Shouldn't Win be standard for a 104-key keyboard? Paul Abrahams
At 06:23 PM 9/7/2004 -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
How can I activate the Win key on my keyboard under SuSE 9.1 and KDE 3.2? Going to Control Center / Regional and Accessibility / Keyboard Shortcuts / Modifier Keys / KDE Modifiers, I see that the Win modifier is listed as "none". I've fiddled around with the parameters in Keyboard Layout with no success. Shouldn't Win be standard for a 104-key keyboard?
Paul Abrahams
Why would you want the Win keys? What would they do for you? I have been using an old IBM k/b for the last 15 years--well, maybe not the same one-- and I cannot find any reason to have any special keys. AAMOF, some time ago a program (in Windows) mapped some of my keys to some sort of functions, and I had to search and destroy them, so I could use the "normal" functions of those keys. When I was still working--1-1/2 years ago--I had a k/b with Win keys on it. The system was Win 98, of course. Nobody told me what they did, and I had no use for them, so they just sat there. If you could program one to give you an umlaut over the letter you were typing, it might be worthwhile, and maybe the other one to give you a back accent, so you could write Italian, that might be worthwhile, but otherwise, why? --doug
On Tuesday 07 September 2004 7:12 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Why would you want the Win keys? What would they do for you?
Just because they have the "Win" label doesn't mean that their use need have anything at all to do with Windows. I find it very handy to use them as an additional type of shift key. As an example, I've bound the action "Go to desktop n" to Win+Fn, and "move current window to desktop n" to Win+Alt+Fn. There are a bunch of other bindings that I also use Win for. The debate as to whether a lot of shifting variants are a Good Thing goes back a long time. X Windows recognizes five: Shift, Ctl, Meta, Hyper, and Super. Paul
OK, I'll bite: I've heard of the meta key, altho I don't know what it is, but hyper and super I have never heard of at all. What do they do, and where, on an old-fashioned DOS k/b from IBM would they all be found? (This k/b has 2 ctrl keys, 2 alt keys, and the ususal print screen, etc, keys up in the right-hand corner of the k/b. Also 12 "F" keys.) (AFAIC, there is no better k/b than an IBM. The "2001" k/b that used to be shipped with some commercial pc's came close, and were quieter.) At 10:01 PM 9/7/2004 -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Tuesday 07 September 2004 7:12 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Why would you want the Win keys? What would they do for you?
Just because they have the "Win" label doesn't mean that their use need have anything at all to do with Windows. I find it very handy to use them as an additional type of shift key. As an example, I've bound the action "Go to desktop n" to Win+Fn, and "move current window to desktop n" to Win+Alt+Fn. There are a bunch of other bindings that I also use Win for.
The debate as to whether a lot of shifting variants are a Good Thing goes back a long time. X Windows recognizes five: Shift, Ctl, Meta, Hyper, and Super.
Paul
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On Wednesday 08 September 2004 12:04 am, Doug McGarrett wrote:
OK, I'll bite: I've heard of the meta key, altho I don't know what it is, but hyper and super I have never heard of at all. What do they do, and where, on an old-fashioned DOS k/b from IBM would they all be found?
I think they may have actually existed on some old keyboards from specialized vendors, but nowadays "hyper" and "super" are meta-labels, to be mapped to existing shift keys. And it's very doable, particularly if you're willing to have the left Win key have a different meaning than the right Win key (same goes for Alt, etc.). Usually "meta" maps to Alt, but that's not fixed. Paul
At 10:01 PM 9/7/2004 -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Tuesday 07 September 2004 7:12 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Why would you want the Win keys? What would they do for you?
Just because they have the "Win" label doesn't mean that their use need have anything at all to do with Windows. I find it very handy to use them as an additional type of shift key. As an example, I've bound the action "Go to desktop n" to Win+Fn, and "move current window to desktop n" to Win+Alt+Fn. There are a bunch of other bindings that I also use Win for.
The debate as to whether a lot of shifting variants are a Good Thing goes back a long time. X Windows recognizes five: Shift, Ctl, Meta, Hyper, and Super.
How do you use these keys where is the config file? On this kb I have two winkeys and an extra key on the rh side with a logo which looks like a dropdown menu plus the usual two shift, two ctrl and two alt. CWSIV ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!
On Wednesday 08 September 2004 1:55 pm, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
How do you use [the Win] keys where is the config file? On this kb I have two winkeys and an extra key on the rh side with a logo which looks like a dropdown menu plus the usual two shift, two ctrl and two alt.
Under KDE Control Panel you go to Regional and Accessibility / Keyboard Shortcuts. There you can specify the meanings of various key combinations. Paul
On 7 Sep 2004, dmcgarrett@optonline.net wrote:
Why would you want the Win keys? What would they do for you?
They are just extra shortcut keys to bind to. For example I have my left-win bound to the "root menu" and right-win bound to the "windows menu" in Window Maker. Charles -- "Whip me. Beat me. Make me maintain AIX." (By Stephan Zielinski)
On Tuesday 07 September 2004 10:34 pm, Charles Phlip Chan wrote:
They are just extra shortcut keys to bind to. For example I have my left-win bound to the "root menu" and right-win bound to the "windows menu" in Window Maker.
Interesting. So one school of thought (mine) says they should be like shift keys and another school of thought (yours) says they should be like function keys. So if it suited you you could have Shift-LeftWin give you the windows menu instead of Right-Win -- which you could then use for something else. Paul
On Wednesday 08 September 2004 01:12, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Why would you want the Win keys? What would they do for you? I have been Why would you rather have him leave a couple of keys to waste space on his keyboard?
Win keys are useful even in Windows. In fact, there are a few shortcuts that I would like to duplicate with them in Linux. Win+E to open my file browser for one is very useful. Win+D to clear the desktop (minimise everything). Win+R for the "Run Command" dialog (Alt+F2 in KDE). Of course, you can map all the functions to shortcuts available on an old 80-something key XT keyboard. But having the extra keys give you more options, now doesn't it? -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
Hans du Plooy wrote:
Win keys are useful even in Windows. In fact, there are a few shortcuts that I would like to duplicate with them in Linux. Win+E to open my file browser for one is very useful. Win+D to clear the desktop (minimise everything). Win+R for the "Run Command" dialog (Alt+F2 in KDE).
Of course, you can map all the functions to shortcuts available on an old 80-something key XT keyboard. But having the extra keys give you more options, now doesn't it?
Cherry to launch keyboard for Linux users Keyboard features 29 'hot keys' configured for the Linux OS and Linux desktop apps ... The Cherry CyMotion Master Linux keyboard shows the Linux penguin logo, known as Tux, on what would be the Windows start key ... http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/08/20/HNlinuxkeyboard_1.html Cheers, Dave
On Wednesday 08 September 2004 10:16, Dave Howorth wrote:
Cherry to launch keyboard for Linux users still, it's yet another month waiting... :( plus it says it's going to be Deu/at/benelux/gb first and then the rest of the world...
on a sidenote, i use win+v, win+h for vert/horiz maximize of windows. Great for emacs/terminals :) Cheers, L
Laur Ivan wrote:
On Wednesday 08 September 2004 10:16, Dave Howorth wrote:
Cherry to launch keyboard for Linux users
still, it's yet another month waiting... :( plus it says it's going to be Deu/at/benelux/gb first and then the rest of the world...
on a sidenote, i use win+v, win+h for vert/horiz maximize of windows. Great for emacs/terminals :)
Cheers,
L
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