Hi there Sander, Thanks for the advice. It would be nice if you could send me some more info regarding your soon to be released book. E.g.is it specifically aimed at preparing students for the LPI-exams? If so, does the material cover all the exams (all levels), etc. Thank you in advance. -- Yatsen Ng yatsen.ng@brunel.nl Den Haag, The Netherlands It said "Needs Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I've seen 3-4 differant places offering "Linux Certification" with 3-4 differnt test for "Linux Certification" but have a couple questions. Which is the offical test for Linux? Since Linux is not from a central location, anyone can give a "Linux Certification", but it might not mean anything unless it is a real judgement and test of the Linux skills and knowledge of the person taking the test. To put it another way, if you have a Red Hat Certification, it means you know a decent about how to use Red Hat Linux and have the skills to back it up. But since there is not central place that gives "Certification" to the Linux Certification centers, any one of the street could make up a bogus or somewhat less profiecent Linux certification test. Hell I could make a "Jacks Mega-Linux distro buzzworded certification test" with 1 questions at a $90 charge, but it would be meaning less, because there is no proof that it will give certification where it is due, and where it is not. If there is only 1 question it does not /really/ test the Linux knowledge/skills of the person taking it, but would be misleading to the users peers/employeers/ etc. when MR. xyz said he was a "Certifided Linux kernel hacker extreme", when the only thing he truly knows about Linux is how to pronouce it and that I am giving the guarnetted passed certifation test for $90 on the corner of wall and washington street... I would like to take the Linux Certification test just to see if I really know what I am talking about or if my ego has taken control of my brain again, but don't really know /which/ test is the "real" Linux Certifiication test, and don't know what test will /really/ test my skills/knowledge in a fair and unbyassed manner. I don't mean any disrespect to any companies, tests or people having to do with Linux certifaction, I am just wondering why there are so many tests and what would be really the best test to take. Any ideas? Jack On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Yatsen Ng wrote:
Hi there Sander,
Thanks for the advice. It would be nice if you could send me some more info regarding your soon to be released book. E.g.is it specifically aimed at preparing students for the LPI-exams? If so, does the material cover all the exams (all levels), etc. Thank you in advance.
-- Yatsen Ng yatsen.ng@brunel.nl Den Haag, The Netherlands
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Hello, On Sat, 15 Jan 2000, Jack Barnett wrote:
I've seen 3-4 differant places offering "Linux Certification" with 3-4 differnt test for "Linux Certification" but have a couple questions.
Which is the offical test for Linux? Since Linux is not from a central location, anyone can give a "Linux Certification", but it might not mean anything unless it is a real judgement and test of the Linux skills and knowledge of the person taking the test.
I really don't understand why anybody can claim an authorization to perform "Linux Certification" and issue of any documents regarding Linux?
To put it another way, if you have a Red Hat Certification, it means you know a decent about how to use Red Hat Linux and have the skills to back it up. But since there is not central place that gives "Certification" to the Linux Certification centers, any one of the street could make up a bogus or somewhat less profiecent Linux certification test.
Do we really need that some money greedy guys had rights to sertify you Linux skills?
I would like to take the Linux Certification test just to see if I really know what I am talking about or if my ego has taken control of my brain again, but don't really know /which/ test is the "real" Linux Certifiication test, and don't know what test will /really/ test my skills/knowledge in a fair and unbyassed manner.
I don't mean any disrespect to any companies, tests or people having to do with Linux certifaction, I am just wondering why there are so many tests and what would be really the best test to take.
I would prefer to disrespect and band to support of any company who decides to provide "Linux Certification" of any kind. Because it is not their own operating system and they have no more rights on Linux than you and me. Thanks, Alex -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On the other hand, no one owns mathematics either, but (I hope) my math degree certifies that I know something. I think it's encouraging that there's sufficient demand for LInux sysadmins that such certifications are being made available. The value of such a certification, of course, depends on the reputation of the company giving it. Just my .02 On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Alexander Daniloff wrote:
Hello,
On Sat, 15 Jan 2000, Jack Barnett wrote:
I've seen 3-4 differant places offering "Linux Certification" with 3-4 differnt test for "Linux Certification" but have a couple questions.
Which is the offical test for Linux? Since Linux is not from a central location, anyone can give a "Linux Certification", but it might not mean anything unless it is a real judgement and test of the Linux skills and knowledge of the person taking the test.
I really don't understand why anybody can claim an authorization to perform "Linux Certification" and issue of any documents regarding Linux?
To put it another way, if you have a Red Hat Certification, it means you know a decent about how to use Red Hat Linux and have the skills to back it up. But since there is not central place that gives "Certification" to the Linux Certification centers, any one of the street could make up a bogus or somewhat less profiecent Linux certification test.
Do we really need that some money greedy guys had rights to sertify you Linux skills?
I would like to take the Linux Certification test just to see if I really know what I am talking about or if my ego has taken control of my brain again, but don't really know /which/ test is the "real" Linux Certifiication test, and don't know what test will /really/ test my skills/knowledge in a fair and unbyassed manner.
I don't mean any disrespect to any companies, tests or people having to do with Linux certifaction, I am just wondering why there are so many tests and what would be really the best test to take.
I would prefer to disrespect and band to support of any company who decides to provide "Linux Certification" of any kind. Because it is not their own operating system and they have no more rights on Linux than you and me.
Thanks, Alex
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On Sat, Jan 15, Jack Barnett wrote:
I've seen 3-4 differant places offering "Linux Certification" with 3-4 differnt test for "Linux Certification" but have a couple questions.
Which is the offical test for Linux? Since Linux is not from a central location, anyone can give a "Linux Certification", but it might not mean anything unless it is a real judgement and test of the Linux skills and knowledge of the person taking the test.
Three big Linux Distributors and some more very big firms suports "The Linux Professional Institute" (http://www.lpi.org). This is not so distribution depending like the Red Hat Certification. There is no "offical" test for Linux, but I think in the future you have better chances with a independed test then with a distribution specific. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE GmbH Schanzaeckerstr. 10 90443 Nuernberg Linux is like a Vorlon. It is incredibly powerful, gives terse, cryptic answers and has a lot of things going on in the background. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Hi there, At the moment there's two major companies that makes Linux tests. One is the Linux Professional Institute (LPI) (www.lpi.org), which is a non-profit organization, the other is sair, which is a profit organization (www.linuxcertification.org). Both make general tests, which test if you really understand Linux. The only way these organizations make themselves credible, is by the number of persons and companies that support them. LPI is supported by some major Linux distributions and hundreds maybe thousands of Linux users. even you could make a contribution to it (www.lpi.org), SAIR also claims it is supported by Linux users and News-groups. Besides that, they make tests that can be taken at VUE and Sylvan testing centres. This means they put a lot of effort in developing the test, but there is no absolute garanty, since there's no central authority that verifies. But i think both institutions have put enough effort in developing the tests that they can be taken serious. Their tests are only in a startup-phase for now, and only when more people (companies, training-centers) start to take them serious, it will become something serious. It's the same "problem" we had back in 1992 (or 1993?) when Linus started to write his first Linux kernel. Besides these "general" tests which look if you understood Linux at all, there are also some distribution-specific tests (which are also included in the LPI-curriculum). I don't know which distributors already have something ready (besides Red Hat). Well, these distribution-specific test just measure if you understood the way one distribution works. E.g. a SuSE-specific test would measure your kowledge of Yast, which isn't very important when you start working with Red-Hat. So these can be very important tests for a company that totally relies on SuSE, but I think it's less valuable for a general Linux knowledge. Or the distribution-specific test should be on top of the general tests, which is the case for for example the Red Hat tests developped by Red Hat. Regards, Sander van Vugt Azlan Training Jack Barnett wrote:
I've seen 3-4 differant places offering "Linux Certification" with 3-4 differnt test for "Linux Certification" but have a couple questions.
Which is the offical test for Linux? Since Linux is not from a central location, anyone can give a "Linux Certification", but it might not mean anything unless it is a real judgement and test of the Linux skills and knowledge of the person taking the test.
To put it another way, if you have a Red Hat Certification, it means you know a decent about how to use Red Hat Linux and have the skills to back it up. But since there is not central place that gives "Certification" to the Linux Certification centers, any one of the street could make up a bogus or somewhat less profiecent Linux certification test. Hell I could make a "Jacks Mega-Linux distro buzzworded certification test" with 1 questions at a $90 charge, but it would be meaning less, because there is no proof that it will give certification where it is due, and where it is not. If there is only 1 question it does not /really/ test the Linux knowledge/skills of the person taking it, but would be misleading to the users peers/employeers/ etc. when MR. xyz said he was a "Certifided Linux kernel hacker extreme", when the only thing he truly knows about Linux is how to pronouce it and that I am giving the guarnetted passed certifation test for $90 on the corner of wall and washington street...
I would like to take the Linux Certification test just to see if I really know what I am talking about or if my ego has taken control of my brain again, but don't really know /which/ test is the "real" Linux Certifiication test, and don't know what test will /really/ test my skills/knowledge in a fair and unbyassed manner.
I don't mean any disrespect to any companies, tests or people having to do with Linux certifaction, I am just wondering why there are so many tests and what would be really the best test to take.
Any ideas?
Jack
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Yatsen Ng wrote:
Hi there Sander,
Thanks for the advice. It would be nice if you could send me some more info regarding your soon to be released book. E.g.is it specifically aimed at preparing students for the LPI-exams? If so, does the material cover all the exams (all levels), etc. Thank you in advance.
-- Yatsen Ng yatsen.ng@brunel.nl Den Haag, The Netherlands
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I would like to take the Linux Certification test just to see if I really know what I am talking about or if my ego has taken control of my brain again
Yes, I believe that is true. The LPI certification was developed by a central, non-profit, group of individuals (you could make a contribution yourself!), and the feedback from thousands of individuals has created a very, unbiased, vendor-neutral certification. Furthermore, companies wanting to offer the LPI T1a test (its not simple to pass either) must approach VUE, which I believe are authorised by LPI to organise testing facilities (tests are US$100 each, or less). See www.lpi.org for what it's about. And don't look back at the RedHat certification - its a money-making scam in my opinion - they'll probably phase it out in preference of the LPI certification (incase you don't know, RedHat, SuSE, SGI and many other companies have sponsered the LPI effort) Regards, Jason.
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LPI is the only thing that will impress me. just for laughs, you can take a test free at www.brainbench.com. IMHO, its not a very good test, but worth looking at. -- ======================================================================== Rocky McGaugh Atipa Linux Solutions Linux Systems Engineer www.atipa.com rocky@smluc.org rmcgaugh@atipa.com ======================================================================== On Sat, 15 Jan 2000, Jack Barnett wrote:
I've seen 3-4 differant places offering "Linux Certification" with 3-4 differnt test for "Linux Certification" but have a couple questions.
Which is the offical test for Linux? Since Linux is not from a central location, anyone can give a "Linux Certification", but it might not mean anything unless it is a real judgement and test of the Linux skills and knowledge of the person taking the test.
To put it another way, if you have a Red Hat Certification, it means you know a decent about how to use Red Hat Linux and have the skills to back it up. But since there is not central place that gives "Certification" to the Linux Certification centers, any one of the street could make up a bogus or somewhat less profiecent Linux certification test. Hell I could make a "Jacks Mega-Linux distro buzzworded certification test" with 1 questions at a $90 charge, but it would be meaning less, because there is no proof that it will give certification where it is due, and where it is not. If there is only 1 question it does not /really/ test the Linux knowledge/skills of the person taking it, but would be misleading to the users peers/employeers/ etc. when MR. xyz said he was a "Certifided Linux kernel hacker extreme", when the only thing he truly knows about Linux is how to pronouce it and that I am giving the guarnetted passed certifation test for $90 on the corner of wall and washington street...
I would like to take the Linux Certification test just to see if I really know what I am talking about or if my ego has taken control of my brain again, but don't really know /which/ test is the "real" Linux Certifiication test, and don't know what test will /really/ test my skills/knowledge in a fair and unbyassed manner.
I don't mean any disrespect to any companies, tests or people having to do with Linux certifaction, I am just wondering why there are so many tests and what would be really the best test to take.
Any ideas?
Jack
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Hi Yatsen, my book is not specifically aimed at preparing students for LPI-exams, but at providing students with basic Linux-skills. During the writing of this book I found out that two organizations (sair inc. (www.linuxcertification.org) and LPI (www.lpi.org) were preparing some Linux tests. In my book (ISBN 90 395 1335 X) I tried to cover lots of their objectives. The objectives which are not covered in my book are the objectives "Set en view disk quota", "Find Linux Documentation on the Internet", "Write System Documentation" and "Provide User Support", which have a "Weight" of 5 on a total wieght of 83. Therefore, if one would like to read in Dutch, it's a good start, if one doesn't care reading in English, "Linux unleashed" can also be recommended (but i'm not sure it will cover for all the objectives). If one would wait until september, then my second book will be ready, and this book together with book one will cover for all the LPI-level 1 objectives) Regards, Sander van Vugt Azlan Training Zoetermeer, the Netherlands Yatsen Ng wrote:
Hi there Sander,
Thanks for the advice. It would be nice if you could send me some more info regarding your soon to be released book. E.g.is it specifically aimed at preparing students for the LPI-exams? If so, does the material cover all the exams (all levels), etc. Thank you in advance.
-- Yatsen Ng yatsen.ng@brunel.nl Den Haag, The Netherlands
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