Hi, I am now using suse 9.1 and win4lin [not the pro version] for win98. I am thinking of using it {win4lin with win98] on suse 10. Has anybody used win4lin 2.6.? with win9? in suse10? In other words: can I use the win4lin for win98 on suse 10? thanks serge
Serge Naggar wrote:
Hi,
I am now using suse 9.1 and win4lin [not the pro version] for win98.
I am thinking of using it {win4lin with win98] on suse 10.
Has anybody used win4lin 2.6.? with win9? in suse10?
In other words: can I use the win4lin for win98 on suse 10?
thanks
serge
The older version of Win4Lin doesn't run on the SuSE 2.6 kernels, but I believe can be used on patched vanilla kernels. This was one of the reasons I delayed updating to the 2.6 kernels. When Win4Lin Pro came out I updated and installed it, but it was very slow, unusable in fact, maybe others had better luck. I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10. Regards Steve
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 18:40 +0000, Stephen Allewell wrote:
Serge Naggar wrote:
Hi,
I am now using suse 9.1 and win4lin [not the pro version] for win98.
I am thinking of using it {win4lin with win98] on suse 10.
Has anybody used win4lin 2.6.? with win9? in suse10?
In other words: can I use the win4lin for win98 on suse 10?
thanks
serge
The older version of Win4Lin doesn't run on the SuSE 2.6 kernels, but I believe can be used on patched vanilla kernels.
This was one of the reasons I delayed updating to the 2.6 kernels. When Win4Lin Pro came out I updated and installed it, but it was very slow, unusable in fact, maybe others had better luck.
Which win4lin? The most recent (win4lin pro) that lets you run XP? Or just a newer version of the one for 95/98 that runs on 2.6 kernels?
I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10.
Regards
Steve
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 18:40 +0000, Stephen Allewell wrote:
Serge Naggar wrote:
Hi,
I am now using suse 9.1 and win4lin [not the pro version] for win98.
I am thinking of using it {win4lin with win98] on suse 10.
Has anybody used win4lin 2.6.? with win9? in suse10?
In other words: can I use the win4lin for win98 on suse 10?
thanks
serge
The older version of Win4Lin doesn't run on the SuSE 2.6 kernels, but I believe can be used on patched vanilla kernels.
This was one of the reasons I delayed updating to the 2.6 kernels. When Win4Lin Pro came out I updated and installed it, but it was very slow, unusable in fact, maybe others had better luck.
Which win4lin? The most recent (win4lin pro) that lets you run XP? Or just a newer version of the one for 95/98 that runs on 2.6 kernels?
I was referring to the latest version running XP Pro. I just did a check on the netraverse site, and noted there are 3 versions, win4lin home, win4lin 9x and win4lin pro. I had 9x before upgrading to the pro version.
I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10.
Regards
Steve
After the Win4Lin Pro bashing here, I installed Parallels. Um... It does not do direct access to local disks. Even via smb. If you want to access a local disk as, say, drive D, you must import it into Parallels as a copy. Not impressive. I understand the root drive (C:) is an image so it can be whatever the guest OS wants. But live access to additional disks is need! Did anyone get network working? Things claim to be there, but no access is possible. OK. It is a beta. But the disk thing is, I think, the way it will be. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
After the Win4Lin Pro bashing here, I installed Parallels. Um... It does not do direct access to local disks. Even via smb. If you want to access a local disk as, say, drive D, you must import it into Parallels as a copy. Not impressive. I understand the root drive (C:) is an image so it can be whatever the guest OS wants. But live access to additional disks is need! Did anyone get network working? Things claim to be there, but no access is possible.
OK. It is a beta. But the disk thing is, I think, the way it will be.
I did the same and noticed Parallels does not support USB and wireles LANs. Coupled with your point above it is only of very limited use. It certainly is not in the same league as VMware. Regards, -- Jos van Kan registered Linux user #152704
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 23:08 +0100, Jos van Kan wrote:
I did the same and noticed Parallels does not support USB and wireles LANs. Coupled with your point above it is only of very limited use. It certainly is not in the same league as VMware.
Is there a VMWare for private non-commercial use? -- Roger
Roger, On Thursday 10 November 2005 14:17, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
...
Is there a VMWare for private non-commercial use?
What do you mean, exactly? VMware Workstation is the low end for VMware. The current release is 5.0 with version 5.5 is due out soon. It's not what most people would call cheap, but there's also next to no real competition for the full-blown virtual machine environments it provides. Xen is the open-source counterpart, but it's young and so far rather limited by comparison. The last I checked, it still only virtualized Linux within Linux. I believe the intent is to relax the restrictions on the "guest" OS (to use VMware's terminology). I expect that within a year or so it'll be giving VMware a run for its money, at least for the sizeable chunk of users who need more than Wine or similar emulation environment can provide but who don't really need all the bells and whistles of VMware.
--
Roger
Randall Schulz
On Thursday 10 November 2005 05:17 pm, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 23:08 +0100, Jos van Kan wrote:
I did the same and noticed Parallels does not support USB and wireles LANs. Coupled with your point above it is only of very limited use. It certainly is not in the same league as VMware.
Is there a VMWare for private non-commercial use? --
Roger
I guess that would be VMware workstation. Works fine here.
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 18:54 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Thursday 10 November 2005 05:17 pm, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 23:08 +0100, Jos van Kan wrote:
I did the same and noticed Parallels does not support USB and wireles LANs. Coupled with your point above it is only of very limited use. It certainly is not in the same league as VMware.
Is there a VMWare for private non-commercial use? --
Roger
I guess that would be VMware workstation. Works fine here.
Yeah. But at $189, I may still try Win4Lin Pro. I only need it for a bit of banking. I may just stay with Win98 and the old Win4Lin.
-- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 18:54 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Thursday 10 November 2005 05:17 pm, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 23:08 +0100, Jos van Kan wrote:
I did the same and noticed Parallels does not support USB and wireles LANs. Coupled with your point above it is only of very limited use. It certainly is not in the same league as VMware. Is there a VMWare for private non-commercial use? --
Roger
I guess that would be VMware workstation. Works fine here.
Yeah. But at $189, I may still try Win4Lin Pro. I only need it for a bit of banking. I may just stay with Win98 and the old Win4Lin.
I would suggest you try the evaluation option then, before stumping up the cash. It might prove valuable if your not happy with the performance. Steve
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 23:08 +0100, Jos van Kan wrote:
Is there a VMWare for private non-commercial use? --
Roger
There sure is. It will _not_ create a new virtual machine though. You can run existing virtual machine images made by others running a full version of VMware, or download an image. I believe that the VMware player is still in beta, but I could be wrong. Get the player here: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ and check out some available OS images available for download here: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/ Have fun! James W
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 18:40 +0000, Stephen Allewell wrote:
Serge Naggar wrote:
Hi,
I am now using suse 9.1 and win4lin [not the pro version] for win98.
I am thinking of using it {win4lin with win98] on suse 10.
Has anybody used win4lin 2.6.? with win9? in suse10?
In other words: can I use the win4lin for win98 on suse 10?
thanks
serge
The older version of Win4Lin doesn't run on the SuSE 2.6 kernels, but I believe can be used on patched vanilla kernels.
This was one of the reasons I delayed updating to the 2.6 kernels. When Win4Lin Pro came out I updated and installed it, but it was very slow, unusable in fact, maybe others had better luck.
Which win4lin? The most recent (win4lin pro) that lets you run XP? Or just a newer version of the one for 95/98 that runs on 2.6 kernels?
"..that lets you run XP". Anyone who is getting excited at reading this please read the fine print on the Win4Lin webste before thinking about parting with your hard- earned cash. Go behind the front page and read what win4lin can and cannot do and which version of XP it will or not work with.
I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10.
VMWare, eh? I'll look into this. Thanks for mentioning it. Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner.
El Martes, 8 de Noviembre de 2005 12:40, Stephen Allewell escribió:
Serge Naggar wrote:
Hi,
I am now using suse 9.1 and win4lin [not the pro version] for win98.
I am thinking of using it {win4lin with win98] on suse 10.
Has anybody used win4lin 2.6.? with win9? in suse10?
In other words: can I use the win4lin for win98 on suse 10?
thanks
serge
The older version of Win4Lin doesn't run on the SuSE 2.6 kernels, but I believe can be used on patched vanilla kernels.
This was one of the reasons I delayed updating to the 2.6 kernels. When Win4Lin Pro came out I updated and installed it, but it was very slow, unusable in fact, maybe others had better luck.
I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10.
Regards
Steve
I too bought win4lin Pro and had to discard it. Version 2 was much better than version 1.x, but still too slow. I use VMWare WS5 and it is good. A cheaper alternative might be Parallels (www.parallels.com) which looks like it can do what VMWare can. Regards. -- Alfredo J. Cole Grupo ACyC
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 13:30 -0600, Alfredo Cole wrote:
I too bought win4lin Pro and had to discard it. Version 2 was much better than version 1.x, but still too slow. I use VMWare WS5 and it is good. A cheaper alternative might be Parallels (www.parallels.com) which looks like it can do what VMWare can.
Thank's for the pointer. Is it known to be faster than Win4Lin pro 2? I did not see a price list anywhere. Certainly it is not free. -- Roger
El Martes, 8 de Noviembre de 2005 14:20, Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 13:30 -0600, Alfredo Cole wrote:
I too bought win4lin Pro and had to discard it. Version 2 was much better than version 1.x, but still too slow. I use VMWare WS5 and it is good. A cheaper alternative might be Parallels (www.parallels.com) which looks like it can do what VMWare can.
Thank's for the pointer. Is it known to be faster than Win4Lin pro 2? I did not see a price list anywhere. Certainly it is not free.
-- Roger
I asked them the same question. They said it would be around US$99.00, but right now you get a 60-day license, I think. And it is as fast as VMWare, as far as I can tell. Don't see USB support though. Regards. -- Alfredo J. Cole Grupo ACyC
Alfredo Cole wrote:
El Martes, 8 de Noviembre de 2005 12:40, Stephen Allewell escribió:
Serge Naggar wrote:
Hi,
I am now using suse 9.1 and win4lin [not the pro version] for win98.
I am thinking of using it {win4lin with win98] on suse 10.
Has anybody used win4lin 2.6.? with win9? in suse10?
In other words: can I use the win4lin for win98 on suse 10?
thanks
serge
The older version of Win4Lin doesn't run on the SuSE 2.6 kernels, but I believe can be used on patched vanilla kernels.
This was one of the reasons I delayed updating to the 2.6 kernels. When Win4Lin Pro came out I updated and installed it, but it was very slow, unusable in fact, maybe others had better luck.
I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10.
Regards
Steve
I too bought win4lin Pro and had to discard it. Version 2 was much better than version 1.x, but still too slow. I use VMWare WS5 and it is good. A cheaper alternative might be Parallels (www.parallels.com) which looks like it can do what VMWare can.
Regards.
I actually got my money back from netraverse, so I didn't mind to much. I notice on their website they do a 30 day money back guarentee. Steve
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 18:40 +0000, Stephen Allewell wrote:
Serge Naggar wrote:
Hi,
I am now using suse 9.1 and win4lin [not the pro version] for win98.
I am thinking of using it {win4lin with win98] on suse 10.
Has anybody used win4lin 2.6.? with win9? in suse10?
In other words: can I use the win4lin for win98 on suse 10?
thanks
serge
The older version of Win4Lin doesn't run on the SuSE 2.6 kernels, but I believe can be used on patched vanilla kernels.
This was one of the reasons I delayed updating to the 2.6 kernels. When Win4Lin Pro came out I updated and installed it, but it was very slow, unusable in fact, maybe others had better luck.
I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10.
Have you thought of using CrossOver Office to run your windows apps? I use it for Quicken without any problems. Runs many apps, not all but many. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 14:51 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 18:40 +0000, Stephen Allewell wrote:
Serge Naggar wrote:
Hi,
I am now using suse 9.1 and win4lin [not the pro version] for win98.
I am thinking of using it {win4lin with win98] on suse 10.
Has anybody used win4lin 2.6.? with win9? in suse10?
In other words: can I use the win4lin for win98 on suse 10?
thanks
serge
The older version of Win4Lin doesn't run on the SuSE 2.6 kernels, but I believe can be used on patched vanilla kernels.
This was one of the reasons I delayed updating to the 2.6 kernels. When Win4Lin Pro came out I updated and installed it, but it was very slow, unusable in fact, maybe others had better luck.
I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10.
Have you thought of using CrossOver Office to run your windows apps? I use it for Quicken without any problems. Runs many apps, not all but many.
I run many apps that way as well. I even run MSVC++ and a TI DSP compiler in crossover's wine, controlled via GNU make. If it wine ran OS/2 code (for a legacy TI DSP compiler), I would be happy. But dosbox (in SUSE 10) does that. What is a problem is my wife's bank, which uses some crap MS explorer thing for certificates. I never did get that to work with crossover. But it is always the thing I try first. The certificates themselves are standard. What is not is the mechanisnm the bank is using to get the certificate. My bank uses a little credit card number generator. No software. I can use it anywhere. -- Roger
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 21:07 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 14:51 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 18:40 +0000, Stephen Allewell wrote: Have you thought of using CrossOver Office to run your windows apps? I use it for Quicken without any problems. Runs many apps, not all but many.
I run many apps that way as well. I even run MSVC++ and a TI DSP compiler in crossover's wine, controlled via GNU make. If it wine ran OS/2 code (for a legacy TI DSP compiler), I would be happy. But dosbox (in SUSE 10) does that.
What is a problem is my wife's bank, which uses some crap MS explorer thing for certificates. I never did get that to work with crossover. But it is always the thing I try first. The certificates themselves are standard. What is not is the mechanisnm the bank is using to get the certificate. My bank uses a little credit card number generator. No software. I can use it anywhere.
Call them up and threaten to move all of your banking needs to another bank. It might wake them up to the fact there is something else out there for there customers to use. If no one ever complains they will never change their ways. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 15:53 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:
What is a problem is my wife's bank, which uses some crap MS explorer thing for certificates. I never did get that to work with crossover. But it is always the thing I try first. The certificates themselves are standard. What is not is the mechanisnm the bank is using to get the certificate. My bank uses a little credit card number generator. No software. I can use it anywhere.
Call them up and threaten to move all of your banking needs to another bank. It might wake them up to the fact there is something else out there for there customers to use. If no one ever complains they will never change their ways.
We had an incident where we needed to talk to their tech support. The support guy ran a Mac at home and was in a similiar bind. The bank has started with some no-software-install security solution. As to switching banks, well, it is a 'wife thing'. 'Nuf said? -- Roger
Ken Schneider wrote:
I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10.
Have you thought of using CrossOver Office to run your windows apps? I use it for Quicken without any problems. Runs many apps, not all but many.
I did think about crossover, but I decided that VMware would be more versatile with the ability to run lots of different OSs. Steve
Ken Schneider wrote:
I ended up installing VMware instead, which I have to say is excellent, using VM machines of XP Pro and Solaris 10.
Have you thought of using CrossOver Office to run your windows apps? I use it for Quicken without any problems. Runs many apps, not all but many.
I did think about crossover, but I decided that VMware would be more versatile with the ability to run lots of different OSs. IMHO, VMWare is the better product. VMWare - excellent, can run a number of OSs independent, cost bucks. Requires a Windows license if you run Windows. Runs just about all Windows apps. Win4Lin - Runs Windows (9x or XP depending on version). Runs as a Linux
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 3:28 pm, Stephen Allewell wrote:
process and uses native Linux disk. Requires a Windows license. Runs most
Windows apps.
CrossoverOffice - $39. Does not require a Windows license. Runs Windows
applications as native Linux processes. Runs most of the standard apps.
This is essentially WINE with a front end and some tweaks.
WINE - Maintained on CodeWeavers systems and is part of most Linux distros
(including SuSE).
--
Jerry Feldman
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