Are there any strong feelings here about scanners ??

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jfweber＠bellsouth.net

8 Jul 2003 8 Jul '03

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** I'm not as good as I was once, but I am as good once as I ever was.. "A nasty bit of rough" by David Feherty ** I'm looking for a reasonably priced scanner to input photos old documents . Occassionally some new documents and assorted art projects . I was looking to get some sort of box that would do slides as well, but the buzz on that is not good.. unless one is in the multi thousand dollar range. I'm not, since this is for home use , largely. Maybe up to $500-600 ??? Prefer fewer $$ rather than more , of course, but quality is not a trivial matter . Many of the photos are early 20th Cent. For that sort of thing ( very old, and largely irreplaceable photos ) and the only solution I can see for slides is to ship them off to somewhere to be scanned onto a Kodak Photodisk. It's pricey, but so far anyway I *can* be assured that the quality of the materials isn't compromised .. If anyone would like to reply directly so we don't take up the SuSE bandwidth , feel free to email me directly. TIA -- j How much gold Can you hold In an elephant's ear? When it's noon On the moon What time is it here? That's mathematics ! Tom Lehrer it's just an afterthought; okay ? : I can see clearly now, the brain is gone...

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Geoff Beaumont

8 Jul 8 Jul

20:52

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On Tuesday 08 July 2003 4:06 pm, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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I'm looking for a reasonably priced scanner to input photos old documents .

Avoid Canon - I believe some of their scanners do_ have Linux drivers now, but on the whole they've been very poor at supporting Linux. Nothing wrong with the hardware though. -- Geoff Beaumont geoffbeaumont@stormhammer.com

Alain Barthélemy

21:23

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Le mardi 08 juillet 2003, 21:52:57 ou environ Geoff Beaumont a écrit:

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On Tuesday 08 July 2003 4:06 pm, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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I'm looking for a reasonably priced scanner to input photos old documents .

Avoid Canon - I believe some of their scanners do_ have Linux drivers now, but

That was the case a few months ago but Sane succeeded in developing the drivers for USB Canoscan N650U and LiDE30 (Plustek drivers). I am not a fan for Canon because this company does not seem to be very open to Linux and I had to wait several months before being able to use this Canoscans with Linux but they are small scanners easy to carry and not too bad at the price of 125 Euros.

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on the whole they've been very poor at supporting Linux. Nothing wrong with the hardware though.

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Geoff Beaumont

22:30

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On Tuesday 08 July 2003 10:23 pm, Alain Barthélemy wrote:

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Le mardi 08 juillet 2003, 21:52:57 ou environ Geoff Beaumont a écrit:

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Avoid Canon - I believe some of their scanners do_ have Linux drivers now, but

That was the case a few months ago but Sane succeeded in developing the drivers for USB Canoscan N650U and LiDE30 (Plustek drivers). I am not a fan for Canon because this company does not seem to be very open to Linux and I had to wait several months before being able to use this Canoscans with Linux but they are small scanners easy to carry and not too bad at the price of 125 Euros.

I wouldn't describe my D1230U as light...or, sadly, supported by the new driver, so far as I can see. I got it ex-display for a very good price and made the mistake of thinking "scanner support in Linux is pretty good these days - worth a gamble"... Fortunately, my ancient Mac has just enough memory for scanning, so I run it off that. -- Geoff Beaumont geoffbeaumont@stormhammer.com

Patrick Shanahan

23:38

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* jfweber@bellsouth.net [07-08-03 11:06]:

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I'm looking for a reasonably priced scanner to input photos old documents .

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rex

9 Jul 9 Jul

00:45

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jfweber@bellsouth.net [2003-07-08 09:34]:

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I'm looking for a reasonably priced scanner to input photos old documents . Occassionally some new documents and assorted art projects . I was looking to get some sort of box that would do slides as well, but the buzz on that is not good.. unless one is in the multi thousand dollar range. I'm not,

If you want to scan 35mm slides, you may not be happy with the results with less than 2400 dpi optical. The Epson 2450 has 2400 dpi optical has gets very good reviews. It's been replaced by the 3200 (3200 dpi) and is available for about 250 USD in the US. There's a comparison of the 2450 and the 3200 at: http://www.bearclover.net/epson-scanner/ And a detailed review of the 3200 at: http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_1.htm Be aware that a 3200 dpi scan of a single 35mm slide is ~40MB! Both models are supported by SANE: http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html HTH, -rex -- While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be. -- Linus Torvalds

Richard

06:25

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On Tuesday 08 July 2003 07:45 pm, rex wrote:

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jfweber@bellsouth.net [2003-07-08 09:34]:

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I'm looking for a reasonably priced scanner to input photos old documents . Occassionally some new documents and assorted art projects . I was looking to get some sort of box that would do slides as well, but the buzz on that is not good.. unless one is in the multi thousand dollar range. I'm not,

If you want to scan 35mm slides, you may not be happy with the results with less than 2400 dpi optical. The Epson 2450 has 2400 dpi optical has gets very good reviews. It's been replaced by the 3200 (3200 dpi) and is available for about 250 USD in the US. There's a comparison of the 2450 and the 3200 at: http://www.bearclover.net/epson-scanner/ And a detailed review of the 3200 at: http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_1.htm

Be aware that a 3200 dpi scan of a single 35mm slide is ~40MB!

Both models are supported by SANE: http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html

I have an HP 6250 scanner that worked beautifully on Linux. The only problem I have had is it smoked the mainboard a few days after the warranty was up costing me $165 USD to get fixed. A few weeks ago it happened again! But this time I wont send it in for repairs. It aint worth paying 165 bucks every year or two after paying th original $500. BEWARE! Richard.

Adalberto Castelo

11 Jul 11 Jul

02:42

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Those look like good scanners (the review seemed to give higher marks to the Epson one). Do you have any of them working under linux? In any case, do you know if the quality of results one can get is the same with the linux drivers than with the Win/OSX drivers? Do you get all the features? On Tuesday 08 July 2003 20:45, rex wrote:

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If you want to scan 35mm slides, you may not be happy with the results with less than 2400 dpi optical. The Epson 2450 has 2400 dpi optical has gets very good reviews. It's been replaced by the 3200 (3200 dpi) and is available for about 250 USD in the US. There's a comparison of the 2450 and the 3200 at: http://www.bearclover.net/epson-scanner/ And a detailed review of the 3200 at: http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_1 .htm

Be aware that a 3200 dpi scan of a single 35mm slide is ~40MB!

Both models are supported by SANE: http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html

HTH,

-rex -- While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be. -- Linus Torvalds

rex

03:17

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Adalberto Castelo [2003-07-10 20:11]:

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Those look like good scanners (the review seemed to give higher marks to the Epson one). Do you have any of them working under linux? In any case, do you know if the quality of results one can get is the same with the linux drivers than with the Win/OSX drivers? Do you get all the features?

They are both Epsons. I don't own either of them (I'm too cheap), but they are both supported under Linux. The list of supported scanners is at the URL I posted before: http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-backends.html I don't know how much tweaking you can do before the scan. I generally import images directly into GIMP and tweak them there. -rex -- The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.

Adalberto Castelo

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On Thursday 10 July 2003 23:17, rex wrote:

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[...] They are both Epsons. I don't own either of them (I'm too cheap), but they are both supported under Linux. The list of supported scanners is

One of your links to the 3200 review was a child to a comparison between the Canon 9900F and the Epson 3200. Here's the parent link: http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/overview.htm

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[...] I don't know how much tweaking you can do before the scan. I generally import images directly into GIMP and tweak them there. [...]

That's quite alright, I'd probably do the same. I just wonder if you'd loose any functionality (say, what if you can't reach the highest resolutions) using the sane drivers. My gutfeeling is that you don't loose anything, but it would be nice to hear from someone that has the hardware under linux.

Basil Chupin

9 Jul 9 Jul

05:57

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jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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** I'm not as good as I was once, but I am as good once as I ever was.. "A nasty bit of rough" by David Feherty **

I'm looking for a reasonably priced scanner to input photos old documents . Occassionally some new documents and assorted art projects . I was looking to get some sort of box that would do slides as well, but the buzz on that is not good.. unless one is in the multi thousand dollar range. I'm not, since this is for home use , largely. Maybe up to $500-600 ??? Prefer fewer $$ rather than more , of course, but quality is not a trivial matter . Many of the photos are early 20th Cent. For that sort of thing ( very old, and largely irreplaceable photos ) and the only solution I can see for slides is to ship them off to somewhere to be scanned onto a Kodak Photodisk. It's pricey, but so far anyway I *can* be assured that the quality of the materials isn't compromised .. If anyone would like to reply directly so we don't take up the SuSE bandwidth , feel free to email me directly. TIA

Just stay away from Canon. They simply just do not co-operate with Linux driver-writers and most of their scanners are unusable with Linux - like my D1230U. HPs are normally overpriced. The Epsons are the way to go. And, as you say you are going to do, when doing slides you need at least 2400 dpi resolution; however, the ONLY real way to do slides is to buy a scanner specifically designed to scan slides. But, unfortunately, you pay some big $$$ for such a scanner. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.

Thomas Long

12:41

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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 00:57, Basil Chupin wrote:

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HPs are normally overpriced. The Epsons are the way to go.

I would concur. I have an older Epson USB scanner I picked up on eBay for $35.00. It is immediately detected and fully supported in SuSE 7.3 and 8.2. - Thomas Long -- Using SuSE Linux 8.2

Abraham Bloom

17:23

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Hi, I have a scanjet 4750 that does slides but I have not gotten it to work under Linux, only windoze... Does a good job and not too bad of a price. Any suggestions for getting it to work under LINUX would be helpful. Abraham Thomas Long wrote:

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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 00:57, Basil Chupin wrote:

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HPs are normally overpriced. The Epsons are the way to go.

I would concur. I have an older Epson USB scanner I picked up on eBay for $35.00. It is immediately detected and fully supported in SuSE 7.3 and 8.2.

- Thomas Long

-- Abraham Bloom, CISSP | The New Testament offers the basis for modern abrahambloom@comcast.net | computer coding theory, in the form of an X/motif/c/shell/perl | affirmation of the binary number system. Sys V/BSD/Linux/Sco | | But let your communication be Yea, yea; nay, | nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh | of evil. -- Matthew 5:37

rex

19:11

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Basil Chupin [2003-07-09 06:58]:

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And, as you say you are going to do, when doing slides you need at least 2400 dpi resolution; however, the ONLY real way to do slides is to buy a scanner specifically designed to scan slides.

If you go to the URL I previously posted re the Epson 3200 you'll find direct comparison pictures of the same slide scanned with the 3200 compared to a Nikon film scanner. The Epson 3200 scans are visibly better than the dedicated 2700 dpi Nikon film scanner results. YMMV. -rex

Peter B Van Campen

19:32

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Hi, Could you post that URL again please? I would like to see that. PeterB On Wednesday 09 July 2003 02:11 pm, rex wrote:

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Basil Chupin [2003-07-09 06:58]:

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And, as you say you are going to do, when doing slides you need at least 2400 dpi resolution; however, the ONLY real way to do slides is to buy a scanner specifically designed to scan slides.

If you go to the URL I previously posted re the Epson 3200 you'll find direct comparison pictures of the same slide scanned with the 3200 compared to a Nikon film scanner. The Epson 3200 scans are visibly better than the dedicated 2700 dpi Nikon film scanner results. YMMV.

-rex

-- -- Proud to use SuSE Linux, since 5.2 Loving using SuSE Linux 8.2 MyBlog http://vancampen.org/blog/ "Non Sanz Capsicum" "Not Without Cayenne" --

rex

10 Jul 10 Jul

05:19

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Peter B Van Campen [2003-07-09 12:45]:

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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 02:11 pm, rex wrote:

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The Epson 3200 scans are visibly better than the dedicated 2700 dpi Nikon film scanner results. YMMV.

Could you post that URL again please? I would like to see that.

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_7.htm -rex -- Ask a politician: Do you support drug prohibition because it finances criminals at home or because it finances terrorists abroad?

jfweber＠bellsouth.net

17:50

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Could you post that URL again please? I would like to see that.

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_7.htm Rex, Having had a little time to look at this site , I have to agree w/ your assessment that the Epson 3200 certainly seems to be more than a match for the particular Nikon scanner ( name escapes my brain , just awoke , time to start caffeine infusion <g> ) I suspect the newer Nikon scanner is much sharper , probably approaching the stuff the use at the commercial Kodak CD mastering companies, by now. OTH, they (most probably ) COST as much as having the stuff scanned by the pros. ANd in the pricing contest the comparison is, for the money the Epson 3200 wins the day. ( I have someone at the our suppliers place looking for a SCSI version.. Do you know if there IS a SCSI version ? Might's well check to see they are on the up and up still <VBG> )

*** Reply to message from rex on Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:19:45 -0700*** thanks for your input From my personal collection of slides , I could probably fill up a couple of thousand cds, Might be time to look for a dvd+r/-r item as well... -- j How much gold Can you hold In an elephant's ear? When it's noon On the moon What time is it here? That's mathematics ! Tom Lehrer it's just an afterthought; okay ? : Reality is for those who can't handle Star Trek.

rex

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jfweber@bellsouth.net [2003-07-10 11:59]:

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*** Reply to message from rex on Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:19:45 -0700***

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http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Scanners/Epson_3200/page_7.htm

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I suspect the newer Nikon scanner is much sharper , probably approaching the stuff the use at the commercial Kodak CD mastering companies, by now.

Did you look at the comparison with the ~$6500 Flexstar(sp?). The $6500 scanner was only slightly sharper, but will have a larger Dmax.

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Do you know if there IS a SCSI version?

AFAIK, no. All the scanners I've used have been SCSI, but they are becoming increasingly rare in new models. USB2 & Firewire are very fast.

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I could probably fill up a couple of thousand cds, Might be time to look for a dvd+r/-r item as well...

Wow! -rex

Jason

9 Jul 9 Jul

08:31

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On Tuesday 08 July 2003 4:06 pm, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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** I'm not as good as I was once, but I am as good once as I ever was.. "A nasty bit of rough" by David Feherty **

I'm looking for a reasonably priced scanner to input photos old documents . Occassionally some new documents and assorted art projects . I was looking to get some sort of box that would do slides as well, but the buzz on that is not good.. unless one is in the multi thousand dollar range. I'm not, since this is for home use , largely. Maybe up to $500-600 ??? Prefer fewer $$ rather than more , of course, but quality is not a trivial matter . Many of the photos are early 20th Cent. For that sort of thing ( very old, and largely irreplaceable photos ) and the only solution I can see for slides is to ship them off to somewhere to be scanned onto a Kodak Photodisk. It's pricey, but so far anyway I *can* be assured that the quality of the materials isn't compromised .. If anyone would like to reply directly so we don't take up the SuSE bandwidth , feel free to email me directly. TIA

I'm quite happily using a Canoscan FS-4000US film scanner for slides and negatives. The problem with this is that there are no Sane drivers for it, and because Canon built some wierdness into the USB interface, you need to run it using SCSI. Optical quality is excellent. I use Vuescan with it. (www.hamrick.com). Not free software, and the UI is a bit clunky, but produces excellent results. For flat originals I use an Epson 1640, which works both under Sane and Vuescan -- and Epson have released a non-free driver/scanning app for their scanners, too. Optical quality of this one is OK. I've used an Epson 3200, but not under Linux. Nice scanner, very good for slide/neg originals. Especially for medium format photos. Epson scanners are well supported under Linux. HTH, Jason

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