[opensuse] Well.....back to 11.4
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7 From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates Version 12.1 - completely unstable Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC. And I really want to keep up to date ! TIA for any help ! -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 11 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/06/2012 03:54 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
And I really want to keep up to date !
TIA for any help !
-- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 11 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/06/2012 11:56 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 09/06/2012 03:54 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
And I really want to keep up to date !
TIA for any help !
Himm did you try one of the live CD's KDE/GNOME whatever is there in download.opensuse.org Do they also lack the sound ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/06/2012 05:20 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 09/06/2012 11:56 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 09/06/2012 03:54 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
And I really want to keep up to date !
TIA for any help ! Himm did you try one of the live CD's KDE/GNOME whatever is there in download.opensuse.org Do they also lack the sound ?
Well, with 12.1, I tried the live KDE and GNOME with the same results <ugh> Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 11 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/09/06 15:54 (GMT-0500) Duaine Hechler composed:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
With which motherboard and CPU. CPU shouldn't matter, but you never know when you keep bumping against the same obstacles.
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
Do you have the latest mainboard BIOS installed? Have you ruled out hardware trouble? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague Has the failsafe Grub menu item ever helped? Do other live media besides openSUSE (Knoppix, *buntu, Fedora, Mageia, etc) have the same problems? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/06/2012 08:00 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/09/06 15:54 (GMT-0500) Duaine Hechler composed:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
With which motherboard and CPU. CPU shouldn't matter, but you never know when you keep bumping against the same obstacles.
MB = P5G41T-M LX Series CPU = Pentium (R) Dual-Core E5800 @ 3.20GHz
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
Do you have the latest mainboard BIOS installed?
Yes.
Have you ruled out hardware trouble? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Why would that make a difference if everything works in 11.4
Has the failsafe Grub menu item ever helped?
12.1 - Don't remember / 12.2 - no
Do other live media besides openSUSE (Knoppix, *buntu, Fedora, Mageia, etc) have the same problems?
Haven't tried yet Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 11 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/09/06 22:03 (GMT-0500) Duaine Hechler composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
... you never know when you keep bumping against the same obstacles.
MB = P5G41T-M LX Series CPU = Pentium (R) Dual-Core E5800 @ 3.20GHz
Much like the T41 HD Ver. 6.x I just bought off eBay for $50 delivered, G41/ICH7, to use with an E7600, waiting now 9 days for the RAM to replace the RAM I ordered for it that had to be returned due to shipping damage. :-(
Have you ruled out hardware trouble? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Why would that make a difference if everything works in 11.4
"Improvements" in later releases sometimes ask hardware to do things it hadn't done previously, or to a greater load than previously. See also my previous post's answer quoted above.
Has the failsafe Grub menu item ever helped?
12.1 - Don't remember / 12.2 - no
Did you try installing sysvinit-init in either 12.1 or 12.2? Try a latest stable kernel (3.5.x) in 11.4 to see if it brings any of the same problems as you saw in 12.1/12.2. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
WOW - Knoppix - worked - regular sound - and - from VLC. On 09/07/2012 12:51 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/09/06 22:03 (GMT-0500) Duaine Hechler composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
... you never know when you keep bumping against the same obstacles.
MB = P5G41T-M LX Series CPU = Pentium (R) Dual-Core E5800 @ 3.20GHz
Much like the T41 HD Ver. 6.x I just bought off eBay for $50 delivered, G41/ICH7, to use with an E7600, waiting now 9 days for the RAM to replace the RAM I ordered for it that had to be returned due to shipping damage. :-(
Have you ruled out hardware trouble? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Why would that make a difference if everything works in 11.4
"Improvements" in later releases sometimes ask hardware to do things it hadn't done previously, or to a greater load than previously. See also my previous post's answer quoted above.
Has the failsafe Grub menu item ever helped?
12.1 - Don't remember / 12.2 - no
Did you try installing sysvinit-init in either 12.1 or 12.2?
Try a latest stable kernel (3.5.x) in 11.4 to see if it brings any of the same problems as you saw in 12.1/12.2.
-- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 11 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday, September 07, 2012 02:13 AM Duaine Hechler wrote:
WOW - Knoppix - worked - regular sound - and - from VLC.
If the YaST sound test works then the module is being loaded and works. It is not a hardware problem. Have you tried disabling Pulseaudio? Did you install the VLC Pulseaudio extension? Does VLC throw an error on the audio device when it starts? Have you tried changing the VLC audio device setting? Have you tried a couple of other non-KDE players like mplayer, smplayer, xmms, audacious? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/09/12 06:54, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
And I really want to keep up to date !
TIA for any help !
What exactly is your request? If you have sound with 12.2 then stay with 12.2 and, therefore, why mention 12.1? If you are having trouble with sound in vlc I can tell you that I too had trouble with it - but it is 'fixable'. If you want to know about this for vlc and 12.2 then let me know. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.1 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/07/2012 01:18 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 07/09/12 06:54, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
And I really want to keep up to date !
TIA for any help !
What exactly is your request?
If you have sound with 12.2 then stay with 12.2 and, therefore, why mention 12.1?
If you are having trouble with sound in vlc I can tell you that I too had trouble with it - but it is 'fixable'. If you want to know about this for vlc and 12.2 then let me know.
BC
Yes, how is vlc in 12.2 fixable. Thank you, Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 11 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/09/12 16:26, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 09/07/2012 01:18 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 07/09/12 06:54, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
And I really want to keep up to date !
TIA for any help !
What exactly is your request?
If you have sound with 12.2 then stay with 12.2 and, therefore, why mention 12.1?
If you are having trouble with sound in vlc I can tell you that I too had trouble with it - but it is 'fixable'. If you want to know about this for vlc and 12.2 then let me know.
BC
Yes, how is vlc in 12.2 fixable.
Thank you, Duaine
Sorry for not replying sooner. The problem is not with vlc. You would more than likely have 'heard' me 'say' this before time and time again: damn pulseaudio is a PITA! Pulseaudio is automatically installed in oS 12.2 (and 12.1). Disable it. To disable[***], go YaST>Hardware>Sound>Other>PulseAudio Configuration and untick it here. Save the configuration. Go to vlc and start it - I watch TV so I start watching a TV channel which will have no sound - you will probably want to play an audio CD or something. Don't shutdown vlc for the next step. Go to a terminal and type 'alsamixer', press F6 and select your sound device - in your case it will be the onboard chip. Then press F5 to display all the channels. Set the volume levels for the necessary channels by using the up/down keys. Look at the bottom of these columns representing the channels and you will see either 'mm' or 'oo'; the 'mm' indicates that the channel is not active while the 'oo' means active; move from channel to channel with the left/right keys. With the audio CD playing in vlc, play around with these channels (turn on/off) to see which one(s) will give you sound. Take a note for future use of which channels need to be 'on' to get sound. When finished press ESC - and you're done. (I have a Creative X-Fi Titanium audio card and had to go thru this earlier this week to get all the channels working - I was only getting stereo sound instead of my normal 5-speaker output. Disabled pulseaudiio, did what I just described above and now have everything working.) BTW, in another post you mention that you got sound when you tried Knoppix. I tried Knoppix earlier and found that it does not have pulseaudio installed. [***] Or you could uninstall it in YaST's Software Manager but doing so may make openSUSE have a hernia and put out an error message stating that it cannot do without pulseaudio. It did this (having a hernia) in 12.1 I think and I couldn't uninstall it but went the disabling it in YaST way. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.1 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/07/2012 08:57 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 07/09/12 16:26, Duaine Hechler wrote:
On 09/07/2012 01:18 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 07/09/12 06:54, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
And I really want to keep up to date !
TIA for any help !
What exactly is your request?
If you have sound with 12.2 then stay with 12.2 and, therefore, why mention 12.1?
If you are having trouble with sound in vlc I can tell you that I too had trouble with it - but it is 'fixable'. If you want to know about this for vlc and 12.2 then let me know.
BC
Yes, how is vlc in 12.2 fixable.
Thank you, Duaine
Sorry for not replying sooner.
The problem is not with vlc.
You would more than likely have 'heard' me 'say' this before time and time again: damn pulseaudio is a PITA!
Pulseaudio is automatically installed in oS 12.2 (and 12.1). Disable it.
To disable[***], go YaST>Hardware>Sound>Other>PulseAudio Configuration and untick it here. Save the configuration.
Go to vlc and start it - I watch TV so I start watching a TV channel which will have no sound - you will probably want to play an audio CD or something. Don't shutdown vlc for the next step.
Go to a terminal and type 'alsamixer', press F6 and select your sound device - in your case it will be the onboard chip. Then press F5 to display all the channels. Set the volume levels for the necessary channels by using the up/down keys. Look at the bottom of these columns representing the channels and you will see either 'mm' or 'oo'; the 'mm' indicates that the channel is not active while the 'oo' means active; move from channel to channel with the left/right keys. With the audio CD playing in vlc, play around with these channels (turn on/off) to see which one(s) will give you sound. Take a note for future use of which channels need to be 'on' to get sound. When finished press ESC - and you're done.
(I have a Creative X-Fi Titanium audio card and had to go thru this earlier this week to get all the channels working - I was only getting stereo sound instead of my normal 5-speaker output. Disabled pulseaudiio, did what I just described above and now have everything working.)
BTW, in another post you mention that you got sound when you tried Knoppix. I tried Knoppix earlier and found that it does not have pulseaudio installed.
[***] Or you could uninstall it in YaST's Software Manager but doing so may make openSUSE have a hernia and put out an error message stating that it cannot do without pulseaudio. It did this (having a hernia) in 12.1 I think and I couldn't uninstall it but went the disabling it in YaST way.
BC
Well, had to go back to 12.1 - my accounting software is not ready for 12.2. At least for me, as for as the Intel sound problem, I think I fixed it. First, uninstalled pavucontrol and pulseaudio ! Then, after digging and comparing forever, I found out that the driver (snd-hda-intel) was loading with "model=auto" even when the settings were not filled in. (BIOS not being checked ?) Once I found a webpage that listed some model settings, I tried a bunch and found that "model=3stack-6ch-dig" (3-jack 6-channel with SPDIF I/O) work consistently. So, if the old screen density problem does not come back, I am a happy camper (and finally off of 11.4). Just wanted to pass it on, Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 11 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 06 Sep 2012 15:54:44 Duaine Hechler wrote:
Unfortunately, same old story with on-board Intel sound card - snd.hda.intel - 82801G - ICH7
From 11.4 -> upgrade to 12.1 + all updates -> upgrade to 12.2 + all updates
Version 12.1 - completely unstable
Version 12.2 - (1) Yast sound works (100%, at least while I was testing (2) pavucontrol - "Output Devices" showed "Dummy Output" (3) Could not get sound to work at all in VLC.
And I really want to keep up to date !
TIA for any help !
looks like i'll have to join you on 11.4 if i want to watch the BBC iPlayer as Flash plugin crashes on my old AMD ASUS laptop with a Radeon video card. I tried 3 browsers and the flash plugin crashed on all of them. I couldn't use 12.1 at all on this laptop as KDE wouldn;t load at all, so i've already downgraded once. Looks like 11.4 is the end of the line for my laptop and i won't get KDE 49 on it - maybe i can try to force KDE49 on it form 12.2 repo onto 11.4 and see what happens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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