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it clown wrote:
Hi All,
What is the best to use for a mail server sendmail or postfix. In and external mail.
The best server is the one you know how to administer in the way you want it do run. If you know how to configure a sendmail server use it. If you know how to configure postfix, that's okay too. In the end, it doesn't really matter which server you chose as long as YOU know what you are doing. If you don't know what you are doing the best server in the world isn't doing you any good. Ask more specific questions with regards to your requirements and you will probably receive an answer that will actually help you. (^-^) Sandy -- List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-01-13 at 13:09 +0200, it clown wrote:
What is the best to use for a mail server sendmail or postfix. In and external mail.
That would be a "religious war" type of question :-P Postfix is much simpler to configure and administrate. Sendmail is older, and kind of "the standard", but quite difficult to configure - unless you are used to it, of course. Then there is also qmail, but it is not included in the distro. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFDx5QOtTMYHG2NR9URAjRXAJ98bfLT3FQj2BX/TIUgWblLTV0AgQCeLGhA 32k9aD6+esIQWcaKyr0zr4M= =TFoI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 12:50 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Friday 2006-01-13 at 13:09 +0200, it clown wrote:
What is the best to use for a mail server sendmail or postfix. In and external mail.
That would be a "religious war" type of question :-P
Postfix is much simpler to configure and administrate. Sendmail is older, and kind of "the standard", but quite difficult to configure - unless you are used to it, of course. Then there is also qmail, but it is not included in the distro.
I have often wondered why qmail is not included in SuSE's distros, is it licencing? -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-01-13 at 08:10 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:
I have often wondered why qmail is not included in SuSE's distros, is it licencing?
Yes, that's what I understand. I think it has to be distributed in source only, not in compiled form, but I have not verified this personally. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFDx706tTMYHG2NR9URAhXvAKCPchYzca3O22z7y5R4U+EojbJO4wCeIJDx Z3U53yEKZZHJgZgpMKVF3JY= =ldvm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 15:46 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2006-01-13 at 08:10 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:
I have often wondered why qmail is not included in SuSE's distros, is it licencing?
Yes, that's what I understand.
I think it has to be distributed in source only, not in compiled form, but I have not verified this personally.
- -- Cheers,
That's essentially true. qmail can be distributed in binary form with some very specific limitations. I don't think Bernstein really wants qmail to be "easy" to install and set up. With the extremely circuitous install process, I think the point is that once you install it - you really do know how the system works. You pretty much need to install according to: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ - even so - it will take first timers several hours to work through. But hey qmail is a great piece of programming. It still offers a reward for anyone finding a security hole, and it can run using almost no resources by todays standards. -end qmail plug- Regis
On the subject of Qmail for SuSE, I just got done installing from lifewithqmail on a 9.3 amd_64 machine. everything went smooth for the most part, except that I noticed the memory requirements were much greater than my 32bit server. (stack?) This became a gotha when I tried to use checkpassword for pop mail. Following the docs, you can test the install of checkpassword, and it will test good, but when it gets called by qmail, from an outside connection, it fails due to the softlimit set for tcpserver. Took forever beating my head aganst the wall last night to finally find the oom with strace. The trick was to increase the soft limit to 7000000, and all was fine. Because of the frustration, I wanted to share this to hopefully help someone else avoid this in the near future. Also, someone in the freenode qmail room pointed me to this nice resourse for qmail, and looks like they will be supporting SuSE soon. www.qmailrocks.org FYI B-) On Friday 13 January 2006 8:21 am, Regis Matejcik wrote:
That's essentially true. qmail can be distributed in binary form with some very specific limitations.
I don't think Bernstein really wants qmail to be "easy" to install and set up. With the extremely circuitous install process, I think the point is that once you install it - you really do know how the system works. You pretty much need to install according to: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ - even so - it will take first timers several hours to work through.
But hey qmail is a great piece of programming. It still offers a reward for anyone finding a security hole, and it can run using almost no resources by todays standards.
-end qmail plug-
On Friday 13 January 2006 11:09, it clown wrote:
Hi All,
What is the best to use for a mail server sendmail or postfix. In and external mail.
The vote for ease of use and sanity retention would seem to go to Postfix by a large margin. At one time, Sendmail also had a lot of security issues but maybe those days are over. I stopped using it as soon as I could. There are other ones out there, of course. On a Debian system you'd get Exim as the default mailer. :) Fish
On 1/13/06 8:22 AM, "Mark Crean"
On Friday 13 January 2006 11:09, it clown wrote:
Hi All,
What is the best to use for a mail server sendmail or postfix. In and external mail.
The vote for ease of use and sanity retention would seem to go to Postfix by a large margin. At one time, Sendmail also had a lot of security issues but maybe those days are over. I stopped using it as soon as I could. There are other ones out there, of course. On a Debian system you'd get Exim as the default mailer.
:)
Fish
Another vote for Postfix! By far the easiest and best. -- Thanks, George If Olive oil comes from olives, Corn oil comes from corn, Peanut oil comes from peanuts, Fish oil comes from fish, Where does baby oil come from?
I never could get Postfix to configure in my SuSe distro's but Sendmail worked immediately upon YAST install and configure. So I think it is back to doing what works for you and that will be different from me and others. Allen ---- Address: Allen Wilkinson (phone) (216) 382-7613 1036 Pembrook Road (work) (216) 433-2075 Cleveland Heights, OH 44121 USA (INTERNET) aw(at)apk(dot)net On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Mark Crean wrote:
On Friday 13 January 2006 11:09, it clown wrote:
Hi All,
What is the best to use for a mail server sendmail or postfix. In and external mail.
The vote for ease of use and sanity retention would seem to go to Postfix by a large margin. At one time, Sendmail also had a lot of security issues but maybe those days are over. I stopped using it as soon as I could. There are other ones out there, of course. On a Debian system you'd get Exim as the default mailer.
:)
Fish
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Is postfix more secure than sendmail? As i understand less
daemons run as root under postfix.
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:48:05 -0500 (EST)
Allen Wilkinson
I never could get Postfix to configure in my SuSe distro's but Sendmail worked immediately upon YAST install and configure.
So I think it is back to doing what works for you and that will be different from me and others.
Allen ---- Address:
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Mark Crean wrote:
On Friday 13 January 2006 11:09, it clown wrote:
Hi All,
What is the best to use for a mail server sendmail or postfix. In and external mail.
The vote for ease of use and sanity retention would seem to go to Postfix by a large margin. At one time, Sendmail also had a lot of security issues but maybe those days are over. I stopped using it as soon as I could. There are other ones out there, of course. On a Debian system you'd get Exim as the default mailer.
:)
Fish
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On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 23:00 +0200, it clown wrote:
Is postfix more secure than sendmail? As i understand less daemons run as root under postfix.
I have three under sendmail and six under postfix. Looks like sendmail uses fewer to me. As far as one being easier to setup then the other it all depends on which one you grow up on. YMMV. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Friday 13 January 2006 17:31, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 23:00 +0200, it clown wrote:
Is postfix more secure than sendmail? As i understand less daemons run as root under postfix.
I have three under sendmail and six under postfix. Looks like sendmail uses fewer to me. As far as one being easier to setup then the other it all depends on which one you grow up on. YMMV.
I think he was referring to 'daemons running as root' and I know that postfix follows the philosophy that 'no process runs with more privs than it needs'. So it would be a question of which has more daemons running as root.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2006-01-13 at 17:41 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
I think he was referring to 'daemons running as root' and I know that postfix follows the philosophy that 'no process runs with more privs than it needs'.
So it would be a question of which has more daemons running as root.
In my system: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 8833 0.0 0.0 4384 192 ? Ss Jan10 0:04 /usr/lib/postfix/master postfix 10703 0.0 0.1 4564 560 ? S Jan12 0:01 \_ qmgr -l -t unix -u postfix 22501 0.0 0.2 4428 1480 ? S 01:00 0:00 \_ pickup -l -t unix -u postfix 22526 0.0 0.4 4868 2072 ? S 01:01 0:00 \_ smtp -t unix -u postfix 22527 0.0 0.2 4444 1496 ? S 01:01 0:00 \_ bounce -z -n defer -t unix -u Only one is running as root right now. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFDyEBRtTMYHG2NR9URAk74AJ0WjySXyTR9V5j8FLpLPxUSl0+bhgCgk56e 5+tM7m9GymuJUHWETsWCc+Y= =3B6B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
* Carlos E. R.
Only one is running as root right now.
same here pat@wahoo:~> psfind postfix root 3537 0.0 0.0 4176 200 ? S 2005 0:17 /usr/lib/postfix/master postfix 2378 0.0 0.0 4252 512 ? S 17:39 0:00 \_ qmgr -l -t fifo -u postfix 7062 0.0 0.1 4220 1336 ? S 18:59 0:00 \_ pickup -l -t fifo -u postfix 7840 0.0 0.2 4740 1660 ? S 19:16 0:00 \_ trivial-rewrite -n rewrite -t unix -u -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 17:41 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Friday 13 January 2006 17:31, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 23:00 +0200, it clown wrote:
Is postfix more secure than sendmail? As i understand less daemons run as root under postfix.
I have three under sendmail and six under postfix. Looks like sendmail uses fewer to me. As far as one being easier to setup then the other it all depends on which one you grow up on. YMMV.
I think he was referring to 'daemons running as root' and I know that postfix follows the philosophy that 'no process runs with more privs than it needs'.
So it would be a question of which has more daemons running as root.
In that case it is one each. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
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