Linux and Windows XP :-)

newer
Re: [SLE] Can't login as my normal...

Jerry Feldman

1 Mar 2005 1 Mar '05

12:55

My system at work is dual booted to SuSE 9.2 Professional and Windows XP. I was sharing the 2 desktop systems over a KVM until a week or so ago when I got a TFT monitor, and gave the KVM to someone else. The Keyboard and Mouse that came with this system are USB, but the old stuff was PS/2. I plugged in the new Monitor, Keyboard and mouse, booted up to SuSE, and everything came up perfectly. :-))))) Then, to test Windows XP, rebooted, the XP boot loader gave me the presentation for normal and safe modes. But, one I came up in the ctrl-alt-delete splash screen, neither the keyboard nor the mouse worked. Maybe the system is telling me not to use XP :-) -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

Show replies by date

Jeffrey Laramie

1 Mar 1 Mar

15:26

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 07:55, Jerry Feldman wrote:

...

My system at work is dual booted to SuSE 9.2 Professional and Windows XP. I was sharing the 2 desktop systems over a KVM until a week or so ago when I got a TFT monitor, and gave the KVM to someone else. The Keyboard and Mouse that came with this system are USB, but the old stuff was PS/2. I plugged in the new Monitor, Keyboard and mouse, booted up to SuSE, and everything came up perfectly. :-)))))

Then, to test Windows XP, rebooted, the XP boot loader gave me the presentation for normal and safe modes. But, one I came up in the ctrl-alt-delete splash screen, neither the keyboard nor the mouse worked. Maybe the system is telling me not to use XP :-)

I think that every time you select windoze from the grub menu it should have a popup that asks "Why are you doing this to me?" In my case it's because there are still games that don't run easily on linux. But hopefully that will continue to improve. Jeff

Mike McMullin

15:58

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 10:26, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

...

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 07:55, Jerry Feldman wrote:

...
My system at work is dual booted to SuSE 9.2 Professional and Windows XP. I was sharing the 2 desktop systems over a KVM until a week or so ago when I got a TFT monitor, and gave the KVM to someone else. The Keyboard and Mouse that came with this system are USB, but the old stuff was PS/2. I plugged in the new Monitor, Keyboard and mouse, booted up to SuSE, and everything came up perfectly. :-)))))

Then, to test Windows XP, rebooted, the XP boot loader gave me the presentation for normal and safe modes. But, one I came up in the ctrl-alt-delete splash screen, neither the keyboard nor the mouse worked. Maybe the system is telling me not to use XP :-)

I think that every time you select windoze from the grub menu it should have a popup that asks "Why are you doing this to me?" In my case it's because there are still games that don't run easily on linux. But hopefully that will continue to improve.

Not that I want to make our lives more complicated using M$ Software but doesn't XP have it's own boot loader on the order of the one that came with NT? I know that with NT you can, and it was recommended that you, use the NT boot loader to choose OS'.

Jeffrey Laramie

16:12

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

...

...
...
Then, to test Windows XP, rebooted, the XP boot loader gave me the presentation for normal and safe modes. But, one I came up in the ctrl-alt-delete splash screen, neither the keyboard nor the mouse worked. Maybe the system is telling me not to use XP :-)

I think that every time you select windoze from the grub menu it should have a popup that asks "Why are you doing this to me?" In my case it's because there are still games that don't run easily on linux. But hopefully that will continue to improve.

Not that I want to make our lives more complicated using M$ Software but doesn't XP have it's own boot loader on the order of the one that came with NT? I know that with NT you can, and it was recommended that you, use the NT boot loader to choose OS'.

I never used NT and I'm not aware of an XP boot loader, but I can honestly say that I've repeatedly had windoze installation disks ruin my existing Linux partitions so I would never trust a windoze boot loader. Jeff

Chadley Wilson

19:40

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 18:12, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

...

...
...
...
Then, to test Windows XP, rebooted, the XP boot loader gave me the presentation for normal and safe modes. But, one I came up in the ctrl-alt-delete splash screen, neither the keyboard nor the mouse worked. Maybe the system is telling me not to use XP :-)

I think that every time you select windoze from the grub menu it should have a popup that asks "Why are you doing this to me?" In my case it's because there are still games that don't run easily on linux. But hopefully that will continue to improve.

Not that I want to make our lives more complicated using M$ Software but doesn't XP have it's own boot loader on the order of the one that came with NT? I know that with NT you can, and it was recommended that you, use the NT boot loader to choose OS'.

I never used NT and I'm not aware of an XP boot loader, but I can honestly say that I've repeatedly had windoze installation disks ruin my existing Linux partitions so I would never trust a windoze boot loader.

Jeff

Sorry Guys you can't to my knowledge boot a Linux partition with Winblows NT bootloader I have been trying for it for some persistent customers since XP came out, and Windows Support know less about XP than me.

Stephen Furlong

17:54

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

...

Sorry Guys you can't to my knowledge boot a Linux partition with Winblows NT bootloader I have been trying for it for some persistent customers since XP came out, and Windows Support know less about XP than me.

No, windows bootloader wont boot any other os other than windows (98/me/2k/xp) and only comes with 2k/xp anyhow. Lilo/grub should dual-boot winxp/9.x fine

Jerry Feldman

18:04

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 12:54 pm, Stephen Furlong wrote:

...

No, windows bootloader wont boot any other os other than windows (98/me/2k/xp) and only comes with 2k/xp anyhow. I posted the howto. This is untrue. When I had the Multia a few years ago, I used the NT boot loader to boot Linux since the built-in console only knew about NT. Windows can also boot from Windows 9x. Years ago when I ran 9x at home, I had the Windows95 menu setup to boot Linux. In the case of Win9x, you are booting to DOS (even ME) then to Windows.

...

Lilo/grub should dual-boot winxp/9.x fine This is definitely preferred and much easier. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

Jerry Feldman

17:59

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 2:40 pm, Chadley Wilson wrote:

...

Sorry Guys you can't to my knowledge boot a Linux partition with Winblows NT bootloader I have been trying for it for some persistent customers since XP came out, and Windows Support know less about XP than me. Here is a mini-howto on it. You certainly can use the NT bootloader to boot Linux, but Grub is much nicer. GRUB is designed to boot multiple OS. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+NT-Loader.html -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

Chadley Wilson

21:01

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 19:59, Jerry Feldman wrote:

...

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 2:40 pm, Chadley Wilson wrote:

...
Sorry Guys you can't to my knowledge boot a Linux partition with Winblows NT bootloader I have been trying for it for some persistent customers since XP came out, and Windows Support know less about XP than me.

Here is a mini-howto on it. You certainly can use the NT bootloader to boot Linux, but Grub is much nicer. GRUB is designed to boot multiple OS. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+NT-Loader.html -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 I have been through this before, but I never could get it to work with w2k and redhat 9 or w2k and fc1

I will try it with xp and suse9.1 pro, if I get it to work I will post a very mini how-to for those who are interested. But seriously for those who are interested it is a serious waste of time and you really don't want to that. Take the advice boot it with lilo or grub. Cheers for now.

Mike McMullin

2 Mar 2 Mar

05:28

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 14:40, Chadley Wilson wrote:

...

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 18:12, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:

...
...
...
...
Then, to test Windows XP, rebooted, the XP boot loader gave me the presentation for normal and safe modes. But, one I came up in the ctrl-alt-delete splash screen, neither the keyboard nor the mouse worked. Maybe the system is telling me not to use XP :-)

I think that every time you select windoze from the grub menu it should have a popup that asks "Why are you doing this to me?" In my case it's because there are still games that don't run easily on linux. But hopefully that will continue to improve.

Not that I want to make our lives more complicated using M$ Software but doesn't XP have it's own boot loader on the order of the one that came with NT? I know that with NT you can, and it was recommended that you, use the NT boot loader to choose OS'.

I never used NT and I'm not aware of an XP boot loader, but I can honestly say that I've repeatedly had windoze installation disks ruin my existing Linux partitions so I would never trust a windoze boot loader.

Jeff

Sorry Guys you can't to my knowledge boot a Linux partition with Winblows NT bootloader I have been trying for it for some persistent customers since XP came out, and Windows Support know less about XP than me.

With a valid Linux boot partition apparently the formula for NT and 2k is: /usr/sbin/rdev /boot/vmlinuz /dev/hd?? on /boot type ext? (rw) (note the result of /dev/hd??) dd if=/dev/hd?? of=bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1 (copies boot sector of linux to file) copy file to floppy Boot NT/2k shell to prompt attrib -s -r c:\boot.ini edit c:\boot.ini (plain text editor) and add to bottom of file: C:\BOOTSECT.LNX="Linux" Save and exit attrib +s +r c:\boot.ini reboot system and it ought to be a usable option. This assumes an untainted (non-MS :( ) MBR, so you might need an old boot\rescue floppy to fdisk /mbr if Lilo or Grub is located there.

Mike McMullin

1 Mar 1 Mar

15:49

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 07:55, Jerry Feldman wrote:

...

My system at work is dual booted to SuSE 9.2 Professional and Windows XP. I was sharing the 2 desktop systems over a KVM until a week or so ago when I got a TFT monitor, and gave the KVM to someone else. The Keyboard and Mouse that came with this system are USB, but the old stuff was PS/2. I plugged in the new Monitor, Keyboard and mouse, booted up to SuSE, and everything came up perfectly. :-)))))

Then, to test Windows XP, rebooted, the XP boot loader gave me the presentation for normal and safe modes. But, one I came up in the ctrl-alt-delete splash screen, neither the keyboard nor the mouse worked. Maybe the system is telling me not to use XP :-)

Someone I know who's running (a pirate version of) XP and 9.1 upgraded to an USB keyboard. It worked fine until he started to trash what he thought was garbage in his XP, and lost his USB. I suggested that he try 9.1 instead, but he seems to have forgotten his password, and has gone out and replaced his USB keyboard and mouse with PS/2 jobs. I'll try and bring a copy of Knoppix the next time I see him, and see how that handles the USB hardware.

Jerry Feldman

16:04

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 10:49 am, Mike McMullin wrote:

...

Someone I know who's running (a pirate version of) XP and 9.1 upgraded to an USB keyboard. It worked fine until he started to trash what he thought was garbage in his XP, and lost his USB. I suggested that he try 9.1 instead, but he seems to have forgotten his password, and has gone out and replaced his USB keyboard and mouse with PS/2 jobs. I'll try and bring a copy of Knoppix the next time I see him, and see how that handles the USB hardware. AFAIK: Knoppix should work fine. You can always reset your Linux password by booting into a rescue disk. There are a couple of ways (after booting the media): Mount the root file system of the installed system onto some free directory, say /mnt

-------------------------- chroot to that directory then change passwords using passwd. Example: $ mount /dev/hda1 /mnt $ chroot /mnt $ passwd Changing password for root. New password: ... ----------------- Another way is to simply edit /etc/shadow, and empty out the root password: root::12843:0:10000:::: -----^---< The password follows the first colon. Then unmount /mnt and boot the installed system. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

Chris

19:35

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

-----Original Message----- From: Jerry Feldman [mailto:gaf@blu.org] Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2005 11:55 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-) My system at work is dual booted to SuSE 9.2 Professional and Windows XP. I was sharing the 2 desktop systems over a KVM until a week or so ago when I got a TFT monitor, and gave the KVM to someone else. The Keyboard and Mouse that came with this system are USB, but the old stuff was PS/2. I plugged in the new Monitor, Keyboard and mouse, booted up to SuSE, and everything came up perfectly. :-))))) Then, to test Windows XP, rebooted, the XP boot loader gave me the presentation for normal and safe modes. But, one I came up in the ctrl-alt-delete splash screen, neither the keyboard nor the mouse worked. Maybe the system is telling me not to use XP :-) -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com Have you checked your bios to enable usb keyboard? Seems like it is but I'd still check. Than maybe boot xp into safe mode and check the contro panel system hardware keyboards to see if its mentioned. You may need to uninstall whats there then reboot and possably install drivers for the usb stuff. Xp doesn't do this auto.

Jerry Feldman

20:03

New subject: [SLE] Linux and Windows XP :-)

...

Have you checked your bios to enable usb keyboard? Seems like it is but I'd still check. Than maybe boot xp into safe mode and check the contro panel system hardware keyboards to see if its mentioned. You may need to uninstall whats there then reboot and possably install drivers for the usb stuff. Xp doesn't do this auto. Possibly. There is nothing in the BIOS about it. I can't boot up in safe mode. I could put a PS/2 KB and mouse on, and force the driver to recognize

On Tuesday 01 March 2005 2:35 pm, Chris wrote: the USB stuff, but it's not worth my while. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

7000

Age (days ago)

7001

Last active (days ago)

List overview

Download

13 comments

6 participants

participants (6)

Chadley Wilson
Chris
Jeffrey Laramie
Jerry Feldman
Mike McMullin
Stephen Furlong