So you would force YOUR laws upon another sovereign nation? You would force your moral views upon another? The answer to the question under windows is no, however. Unless you do a bit of hacking of the source code. I seem to recall that it WAS an option long ago, but has been disabled. I'd imagine that it would be possible more easily under *nix. *I* used the older version to silently look in on my children's activities when they were online. And I am thankful that I did as I found out that my daughter was involved with an abusive boyfriend. Or should her privacy been paramount and you could console my family after he beat her to death or raped her? I also find it interesting that the same people who complain so loudly on the subject, who lobbied so hard to have said laws passed also lobbied to have laws passed that make the business responsible for ALL employee activities on the net. As an employer I am civilly and criminaly responsible for unlawful employee use of my network systems, but and not permitted to monitor the employee activities?! No WONDER companies are moving off shore. The laws in the nations they are moving to are FAR less restrictive when it comes to corporate concerns protecting their interests (and don't remind everyone of abuses of the past, mud can be slung both ways and never prove the validity of the position in the end). If *I* am responsible for the use of my network and computers, then *I* will monitor the damned things. Having it both ways means ending up having it no way. -----Original Message----- From: Carlos E. R. [mailto:robin1.listas@tiscali.es] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:27 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] stealth VNC connection The Thursday 2004-02-12 at 11:00 +0200, Adrian Costescu wrote:
We have agencies (our agencies) around our country and we connect the computers (our computers) to the main server through an ssh connection. We use this kind of connection for data booking exchange but also for remote control, self maintenance and for evaluating our employees job - because of the distance between agencies.
The "evaluating our employees job" using a stealh connection would be illegal in many countries (at least without a court order). I don't think you have a legitimate reason to do that, sorry. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Saturday 14 February 2004 18:20, Stephen Villano wrote:
I also find it interesting that the same people who complain so loudly on the subject, who lobbied so hard to have said laws passed also lobbied to have laws passed that make the business responsible for ALL employee activities on the net.
Name One! Easy to make the rethorical claim. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
To original poster (Adrian Costescu). I'm a long time member of this list. It is probably the finest list on Linux in general. A lot of excellent people is gathered around it, and they are sharing very valuable information among the members. But, as you can see, it has its price to be on the list too. Following its content, you'll witness unbeleivable things: starting from rather often and benign (but sometimes even fun and entertaining) OT threads, it occasionally turns into either patological nitpicking perfectionism or even worse into ignorant, arrogant, humiliating and insulting pitch aimed at random targets. (Among many examples, just remember the "TOFU pro et contra" cannibalism that burns out every now and then). As you experienced, there are so many people ready to jump on the "privacy", "legality", "ethics" and such concepts, while being totally insensitive to the small but important detail on how your origin was misused in the first place. They just don't get the implicit insult that they made there, that's it. There's no help there, unfortunatelly. With time, you'll sort these rare exemplars out and learn how to work around their shallowness. Also, take care about the fun part, some of them are very valuable contributors to the list, but only when "out of the court" and not "judging", of course. I definitely think the SLE list membership is worth this price. <irony> Anyway, if you want to enjoy the list membership to the max, you should create a throw-away mail account with a fake identity. Just take care to find one that can hold the mail's rather high traffic. Take care to make up an American-sounding name. With that being done, join the list again. You'll see, the signal-to-noise ratio will increase significantly. At least, nobody will ever single you out based on your (real) birthplace...:-) Collateral benefit might be that you'll be able to flame other people's asses with certain immunity, and expect considerable back-up, too. </irony> Seriously, I guess many people on this list use this trick. What do you think - why so many "Americans" on the list have so bad spelling and grammar? It is not because they are illiterate and uneducated, for sure... :-) And, yes, you'll notice that certain nations are simply not there, despite the true international nature of the list. You don't think it's because they don't use SuSE Linux, do you? Now, I am afraid I'll have to switch my identity too if I don't stop right now. :-) I guess another wave of flames follows right now, get prepared...I feel them tracing my IP address already. Hopefully not. Regards, cikasole
On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 02:31 +0100, cikasole wrote:
As you experienced, there are so many people ready to jump on the "privacy", "legality", "ethics" and such concepts, while being totally insensitive to the small but important detail on how your origin was misused in the first place. They just don't get the implicit insult that they made there, that's it.
Could I just point out that in this thread, *one* person used the country of origin as an argument. It is my belief that no one else commented on it because they felt it wasn't worth dignifying with a response. At least that was my motivation. And yes, Americans really do spell bad :)
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 02:31 +0100, cikasole wrote:
As you experienced, there are so many people ready to jump on the "privacy", "legality", "ethics" and such concepts, while being totally insensitive to the small but important detail on how your origin was misused in the first place. They just don't get the implicit insult that they made there, that's it.
Could I just point out that in this thread, *one* person used the country of origin as an argument.
You are right. I should not use plural in the above sentence, sorry.
It is my belief that no one else commented on it because they felt it wasn't worth dignifying with a response.
I had different feeling about that. OK, I'm going to reread the thread. I'll be happy to correct my conclusion.
At least that was my motivation.
Thank you.
And yes, Americans really do spell bad :)
So bad?
Regards, cikasole
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On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 02:31 +0100, cikasole wrote:
And yes, Americans really do spell bad :)
Point of clarity: that's 'spell badly'. ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAMEGDH2SF0i7rrGwRAuBrAKClnFBvXnQIrK2Eixy8Js7IpEu3AQCeOEUX sMqh+8OUhBaIw/pbLw/3Ww0= =vPYO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Anders, et al - ...and then Anders Johansson said... % ... % And yes, Americans really do spell bad :) That should be 'badly' -- but that's a reflection on our grammar as well. HAND :-D -- David T-G * There is too much animal courage in (play) davidtg@justpickone.org * society and not sufficient moral courage. (work) davidtgwork@justpickone.org -- Mary Baker Eddy, "Science and Health" http://justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg!
On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 01:31, cikasole wrote:
To original poster (Adrian Costescu).
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As you experienced, there are so many people ready to jump on the "privacy", "legality", "ethics" and such concepts, while being totally insensitive to the small but important detail on how your origin was misused in the first place. They just don't get the implicit insult that they made there, that's it. There's no help there, unfortunatelly. With time, you'll sort these rare exemplars out and learn how to work around their shallowness. Also, take care about the fun part, some of them are very valuable contributors to the list, but only when "out of the court" and not "judging", of course.
I don't necessarily agree that it is just the 'persons' origin that is the problem, I think it is more bigoted preconception that as their country is not run in the same way as 'we' run ours they have a problem with freedom. However I think though that for safeties sake we should not deal with countries that:- have Weapons of Mass Destruction, hold people in prison without charge or legal representation, treat foreigners with disrespect, singling them out for special treatment, fingerprinting etc, treating them differently because they have a different religion. Do not ratify UN resolution passed by the majority of countries. Do not recognise the International Court of Justice in case they get charged. Execute children for capital crimes. Can anyone suggest a country that fills the criteria?? In other words do not judge others if you do not want to be judged yourself.
I definitely think the SLE list membership is worth this price.
<irony> Anyway, if you want to enjoy the list membership to the max, you should create a throw-away mail account with a fake identity. Just take care to find one that can hold the mail's rather high traffic. Take care to make up an American-sounding name. With that being done, join the list again. You'll see, the signal-to-noise ratio will increase significantly. At least, nobody will ever single you out based on your (real) birthplace...:-) Collateral benefit might be that you'll be able to flame other people's asses with certain immunity, and expect considerable back-up, too. </irony>
I agree the SLE list is worth the price, even if I don't run SUSE now. and we shouldn't have to hide our identities. Secret police or what??
Seriously, I guess many people on this list use this trick. What do you think - why so many "Americans" on the list have so bad spelling and grammar? It is not because they are illiterate and uneducated, for sure... :-) And, yes, you'll notice that certain nations are simply not there, despite the true international nature of the list. You don't think it's because they don't use SuSE Linux, do you?
Where did all these 'Americans' come from? Even the ones who live there came from somewhere else first! (OK EXCEPT for the native americans) irish americans, chinese americans, african americans, don't they all say they are something else as well as american?
Now, I am afraid I'll have to switch my identity too if I don't stop right now. :-) I guess another wave of flames follows right now, get prepared...I feel them tracing my IP address already.
Hopefully not.
Regards,
cikasole
I hope not too!! I'm not hiding my identity, if they don't like what I say, filter it out! and I will filter or ignore them. To my mind anyone can ask anything, I don't have to answer. There are always arguments for each side, make up your own mind but don't judge others because they are different. Love to all, kissy kissy Peace Man Laurence
On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 22:20 -0500, Stephen Villano wrote:
*I* used the older version to silently look in on my children's activities when they were online. And I am thankful that I did as I found out that my daughter was involved with an abusive boyfriend. Or should her privacy been paramount and you could console my family after he beat her to death or raped her?
I assume you also tapped her phone and had her followed by private detectives when she was not online
As an employer I am civilly and criminaly responsible for unlawful employee use of my network systems, but and not permitted to monitor the employee activities?!
Which part of "but not covertly" is so hard to understand?
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