Hi, GNOME 2.2.0 was announced and tarballs made available overnight. Just wondered whether any SuSE insiders could confirm one way or the other whether it'll make it into SuSE 8.2, given SuSE's recent encouraging sounds regarding GNOME? This is to end-users what 2.0.0 was to developers, this is the first release of GNOME 2.x intended to really be usable by normal people, and it would make a great addition to SuSE 8.2. Cheers James -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.1) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 09:48, James Ogley wrote:
This is to end-users what 2.0.0 was to developers, this is the first release of GNOME 2.x intended to really be usable by normal people, and it would make a great addition to SuSE 8.2.
Hear hear! Well said, gnome 2.2 Is an excellent desktop. I hope SuSE finds the time to include it
On Thursday 06 February 2003 10:47 am, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 09:48, James Ogley wrote:
This is to end-users what 2.0.0 was to developers, this is the first release of GNOME 2.x intended to really be usable by normal people, and it would make a great addition to SuSE 8.2.
Hear hear! Well said, gnome 2.2 Is an excellent desktop. I hope SuSE finds the time to include it
I would like to try the new Gnome2.2, but are there RPMs available for it? Having searched, I can only find the source files on the Gnome site and mirrors. There's nothing on the APT repositories, either. I have enough problems installing just one .tar.bz file, let alone all the new Gnome ones! It's RPMs, or forget it! Many thanks Keith
Well, I ain't doing them! ;) Nah, seriously, the thing is that GNOME 2.2 depends on GTK+ 2.2, and all it's dependencies. The big key dependency here is fontconfig/Xft2, while not difficult to build, it affects quite a fundamental part of the GUI, so I'd rather not produce packages of that, but wait till it's actually included in the distro (ie 8.2). Now, I know that fc/Xft2 will be in 8.2, but if GNOME 2.2 doesn't make it in (should get a nod or a headshake soon on that) then when 8.2 comes out, I'll look into putting together RPMs for the GNOME 2.2 desktop. No promises of course, I have a disk quote to fit inside, and a full-time job, and all that, but I'll do my best.
I would like to try the new Gnome2.2, but are there RPMs available for it? Having searched, I can only find the source files on the Gnome site and mirrors. There's nothing on the APT repositories, either. I have enough problems installing just one .tar.bz file, let alone all the new Gnome ones! It's RPMs, or forget it! -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.1) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
On Thursday 06 February 2003 2:19 pm, James Ogley wrote:
Well, I ain't doing them! ;)
Nah, seriously, the thing is that GNOME 2.2 depends on GTK+ 2.2, and all it's dependencies.
The big key dependency here is fontconfig/Xft2, while not difficult to build, it affects quite a fundamental part of the GUI, so I'd rather not produce packages of that, but wait till it's actually included in the distro (ie 8.2).
Now, I know that fc/Xft2 will be in 8.2, but if GNOME 2.2 doesn't make it in (should get a nod or a headshake soon on that) then when 8.2 comes out, I'll look into putting together RPMs for the GNOME 2.2 desktop. No promises of course, I have a disk quote to fit inside, and a full-time job, and all that, but I'll do my best.
I would like to try the new Gnome2.2, but are there RPMs available for it? Having searched, I can only find the source files on the Gnome site and mirrors. There's nothing on the APT repositories, either. I have enough problems installing just one .tar.bz file, let alone all the new Gnome ones! It's RPMs, or forget it!
Thanks for the information and clarification, James. I thought that with you and Anders apparently running it, Gnome 2.2 was "readily available" as the saying is. I'll wait for SuSE8.2. -- Cheers Keith
I thought that with you and Anders apparently running it, Gnome 2.2 was "readily available" as the saying is.
I'm not actually running, keeping my system 2.0.x for building 8.1 compatible packages :) -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle Insurance Plc james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 (0) 20 8731 3619 Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.1) Updated GNOME RPMs for SuSE Linux: www.usr-local-bin.org ********************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY.This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Pinnacle Insurance plc. If you have received this email in error please immediately notify the Pinnacle Helpdesk on +44 (0) 20 8207 9555. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************
Hello Henry and Anders In reply to my query about RPMs of Gnome 2.2, you say that you have installed the Garnome version. Whenever I have looked at Garnome, I have found that it is bleeding edge, and for developers and experienced experimenters only. I was told that it is definitely not for ordinary users of Gnome. As I am a very ordinary user, I have kept away from it. However, as you say that it installs and runs without problems, I'll have a look at Garnome again. thanks for the link to it. -- Cheers Keith
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:16:12PM +0000, Keith Powell wrote:
Hello Henry and Anders
In reply to my query about RPMs of Gnome 2.2, you say that you have installed the Garnome version.
Whenever I have looked at Garnome, I have found that it is bleeding edge, and for developers and experienced experimenters only. I was told that it is definitely not for ordinary users of Gnome. As I am a very ordinary user, I have kept away from it.
However, as you say that it installs and runs without problems, I'll have a look at Garnome again. thanks for the link to it.
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Have your CDs at hand since the make will likely stop and demand header files unless you have development RPMs installed. I recall one glitch with installing garnome on 8.1: there is apparently a missing definition in /usr/lib/popt.h. I looked at popt.h from SuSE 8.0, found the definition, and added this line to popt.h on my 8.1 system: #define POPT_TABLEEND {NULL, '\0', 0, 0, 0, NULL, NULL } With that done, I simply downloaded the tar.bz2 file from the garnome site, extracted it, changed to the garnome-0,21/meta/gnome-desktop directory, typed "make", and several hours later it was finished. It installs all of gnome by default in a subdirectory of your home directory. You start it with several lines in ~/.xinitrc that set the path and the library path. The virtue of this is that it doesn't put things in your system directories and is invisible if you do not start it. Henry Harpending
On Thursday 06 February 2003 4:30 pm, Henry Harpending wrote:
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:16:12PM +0000, Keith Powell wrote:
Hello Henry and Anders
In reply to my query about RPMs of Gnome 2.2, you say that you have installed the Garnome version.
Whenever I have looked at Garnome, I have found that it is bleeding edge, and for developers and experienced experimenters only. I was told that it is definitely not for ordinary users of Gnome. As I am a very ordinary user, I have kept away from it.
However, as you say that it installs and runs without problems, I'll have a look at Garnome again. thanks for the link to it.
--
Have your CDs at hand since the make will likely stop and demand header files unless you have development RPMs installed. I recall one glitch with installing garnome on 8.1: there is apparently a missing definition in /usr/lib/popt.h. I looked at popt.h from SuSE 8.0, found the definition, and added this line to popt.h on my 8.1 system:
#define POPT_TABLEEND {NULL, '\0', 0, 0, 0, NULL, NULL }
With that done, I simply downloaded the tar.bz2 file from the garnome site, extracted it, changed to the garnome-0,21/meta/gnome-desktop directory, typed "make", and several hours later it was finished. It installs all of gnome by default in a subdirectory of your home directory. You start it with several lines in ~/.xinitrc that set the path and the library path. The virtue of this is that it doesn't put things in your system directories and is invisible if you do not start it.
Henry Harpending
Hello Henry. Thank you for the information. I'll have the CDs standing by. As I have not used garnome before, could I ask some basic questions, please? Is each package downloaded and installed immediately, or are they all downloaded first and then all installed? If the latter, I assume that I could disconnect from the internet when they start installing. Thus cutting down on the time I am connected. ( I am limited as to the length of time I can connect each week). Also, if they are installed after all being downloaded, will I need the CDs just during the installation? It would save me having to keep watching the download. Sorry these are such basic questions. -- Cheers Keith
As I have not used garnome before, could I ask some basic questions, please?
Is each package downloaded and installed immediately, or are they all downloaded first and then all installed?
If the latter, I assume that I could disconnect from the internet when they start installing. Thus cutting down on the time I am connected. ( I am limited as to the length of time I can connect each week). Also, if they are installed after all being downloaded, will I need the CDs just during the installation? It would save me having to keep watching the download.
Bad news: they are downloaded, compiled, and installed one by one. It takes a few hours, most of the time spent compiling (I have a dsl). You only need the CDs during installation. The process will stop with an error message, always in my experience because "something.h" can't be found. At that point install "whatever-devel.rpm", type "make" again, and it all keeps going. Occasionally some detective work with google or the like is required to find that "something.h" is provided by "whatever-devel.rpm". BTW I am not sure it is all worth the trouble: I did it out of curiosity, played with it for 20 minutes, and went right back to plain old fluxbox with gkrellm in the corner. Henry Harpending
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 20:56, Henry Harpending wrote:
Bad news: they are downloaded, compiled, and installed one by one.
By default, yes. But you can download the lot manually and place each downloaded file in garnome-0.21.0/gnome/package/download Check the Makefile of each package for the relevant file name and URL.
It takes a few hours, most of the time spent compiling (I have a dsl). You only need the CDs during installation. The process will stop with an error message, always in my experience because "something.h" can't be found. At that point install "whatever-devel.rpm", type "make" again, and it all keeps going. Occasionally some detective work with google or the like is required to find that "something.h" is provided by "whatever-devel.rpm".
No detective work needed. "zgrep something.h /media/cdrom/ARCHIVES.gz" (assuming the dvd or CD1 is mounted on /media/cdrom) will get you the name of the rpm immediately. Anders
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 15:54, Keith Powell wrote:
I thought that with you and Anders apparently running it, Gnome 2.2 was "readily available" as the saying is.
I'm running the Garnome version, which is very nice. It installs in your home directory so you can run it with a test user without messing up the rest of your system. As Henry Harpending said it works just fine. http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ regards Anders
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 01:48:09PM +0000, Keith Powell wrote:
On Thursday 06 February 2003 10:47 am, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 09:48, James Ogley wrote:
This is to end-users what 2.0.0 was to developers, this is the first release of GNOME 2.x intended to really be usable by normal people, and it would make a great addition to SuSE 8.2.
Hear hear! Well said, gnome 2.2 Is an excellent desktop. I hope SuSE finds the time to include it
I would like to try the new Gnome2.2, but are there RPMs available for it? Having searched, I can only find the source files on the Gnome site and mirrors. There's nothing on the APT repositories, either.
garnome's 2.2 downloads, builds, and works just fine on my 8.1. Henry Harpending
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