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Teruel de Campo MD

3 Nov 2009 3 Nov '09

19:18

I use VMware workstation and whenever I install it I have to remove some of the vmware modules that are installed by default with opensuse. Q1: is this from an opensource VMware? Q2: is this the VMware server? Q3: how does is compare with the commercial VMware Workstation? -=terry=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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John Andersen

4 Nov 4 Nov

08:11

On 11/3/2009 11:18 AM, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:

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I use VMware workstation and whenever I install it I have to remove some of the vmware modules that are installed by default with opensuse.

Q1: is this from an opensource VMware?

Q2: is this the VMware server?

Q3: how does is compare with the commercial VMware Workstation?

-=terry=-

Usually those are from the opensource Vmware. I believe these are separately packaged in most Distros. There are two items you can have that are either not-harmful or are useful until you get vmware tools installed. xserver-xorg-video-vmware and xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse They are sort of bare bones video and mouse drivers. These work with any version of vmware long enough for you to install the proper ones from vmware tools. From then on they do no harm and are not used, and I've seen no reason to remove them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dominique Leuenberger

08:48

Terry,

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On 11/3/2009 at 20:18, Teruel de Campo MD wrote: I use VMware workstation and whenever I install it I have to remove some of the vmware modules that are installed by default with opensuse.

Best would be to verify what you have installed. openSUSE (I think starting with 11.1) ships open-vm-tools, which also contains a set of kernel module (vmware-*kmp*.rpm). Those are intended for VMWARE GUEST only (that's why in 11.2 they have been renamed to reflect this change). They should never be installed (and certainly not by default) on any non-vmwareg uest machine (the kmp is pulled in by hardware identifiers).

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Q1: is this from an opensource VMware?

Q2: is this the VMware server?

Q3: how does is compare with the commercial VMware Workstation?

i'd say that's impossible to answer with thie information you provided (try rpm -qf <path to a module> to see which package put it there if any.) but out of this list, only the open source vmware-tools are an option. the tools are the same as used in the latest versions of vmware server/workstation/player (they are actually not too different from each other, except always some month difference in development). open-vm-tools is the common denominator, typically at the latest stage. (It's more or less developped internally by vmware, but synched to a public git once a month). Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

09:27

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 09:48 +0100, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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Terry,

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On 11/3/2009 at 20:18, Teruel de Campo MD wrote: I use VMware workstation and whenever I install it I have to remove some of the vmware modules that are installed by default with opensuse.

Same here.

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Best would be to verify what you have installed. openSUSE (I think starting with 11.1) ships open-vm-tools, which also contains a set of kernel module (vmware-*kmp*.rpm). Those are intended for VMWARE GUEST only (that's why in 11.2 they have been renamed to reflect this change). They should never be installed (and certainly not by default) on any non-vmwareg uest machine (the kmp is pulled in by hardware identifiers).

I use VMWare workstation. It comes with kernel drivers, and even automatically re-compiles/reloads them if I start VMWare after changing the kernel. All rather painless and automatic. My question is: what is the advantage of the open-vm-tools over the stuff that comes with VMware? I always uninstall the vm tools that come with openSUSE. They seems to get installed by default (in, say, 11.0). Is that still the case? It seemed to install only kernel modules. Which, on their own, are rather useless. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dominique Leuenberger

09:40

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On 11/4/2009 at 10:27, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I use VMWare workstation. It comes with kernel drivers, and even automatically re-compiles/reloads them if I start VMWare after changing the kernel. All rather painless and automatic.

My question is: what is the advantage of the open-vm-tools over the stuff that comes with VMware?

I always uninstall the vm tools that come with openSUSE. They seems to get installed by default (in, say, 11.0). Is that still the case? It seemed to install only kernel modules. Which, on their own, are rather useless.

The kernel modules from open-vm-tools are only meant for vmware GUESTS. To my knowledge they were added in openSUSE 11.1 (but I can be wrong there.. time passes much faster than I can imagine). if installed on a guest, the modules on their own are already very handy: think about: - vmware guest running openSUSE 11.2 (kernel modules installed from the openSUSE Repository) - opensuse publishes a kernel update -> due to the linking with the kmps, new kernel modules for vmware guest (NIC!) are automatically installed would this not be the case, you could hardly do this upgrade on a remote machine without 'access' to the console (think esx, vmware server). Because you'd have to log in to the guest and rebuild the kernel modules to get network access. As said: the vmware-kmp that are shipped with opensuse are NOT meant for the host (that's why in openSUSE 11.2 they kmp is now called vmware-guest-kmp-<flavor>; before it was vmware-kmp-<flavor> and I've seen plenty of users installing the package on their HOST, which is WRONG). If the KMP get's installed automatically, that would be clearly a bug. As they are on the DVD though one that's hardly fixable with an update. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

09:53

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 10:40 +0100, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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If the KMP get's installed automatically, that would be clearly a bug. As they are on the DVD though one that's hardly fixable with an update.

That seems to be what happened in 11.0. On my laptop, with no vmware in sight, the vmware kernel modules were installed. I found this when I later installed vmware workstation, and there were conflicts. I do not think I saw this on 11.2. I will have to check. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dominique Leuenberger

10:00

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On 11/4/2009 at 10:53, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 10:40 +0100, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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If the KMP get's installed automatically, that would be clearly a bug. As they are on the DVD though one that's hardly fixable with an update.

do you have an AMD PCNet NIC in this computer? I know there was a bug very early on that triggered the tools to be installed if one of those network cards was found. This could be the case for you (It was especially visible on virtualbox, which simulates the same nic). Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Teruel de Campo MD

12:40

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 11:00 +0100, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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On 11/4/2009 at 10:53, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 10:40 +0100, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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If the KMP get's installed automatically, that would be clearly a bug. As they are on the DVD though one that's hardly fixable with an update.

do you have an AMD PCNet NIC in this computer? I know there was a bug very early on that triggered the tools to be installed if one of those network cards was found.

This could be the case for you (It was especially visible on virtualbox, which simulates the same nic).

Thxs all for help me to understand what those vmware pieces that come with opensuse do. -=terry=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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