Adding a DVD Player to Commercial product
Does anybody know why Novell won't add any kind of DVD support in even the commercial product? I mean, if I go out and pay money for the software, why can't it play DVDs. I understand why this is so for OpenSUSE, since it is free and all, but recompiling xine to have DVD support is becoming a real pain. I also like to use kaffeine, too, but even if xine likes DVDs, the kaffeine that came with SUSE 10 still won't play them! I heard that Novell might put all of the commercial stuff on a separate CD for 10.1, so why couldn't some DVD playing application be on it? I know that the license for DVDs gets in the way, but come on. -Steven
Am Sonntag, 5. März 2006 03:17 schrieb Steven Pasternak:
Does anybody know why Novell won't add any kind of DVD support in even the commercial product? I mean, if I go out and pay money for the software, why can't it play DVDs. I understand why this is so for OpenSUSE, since it is free and all, but recompiling xine to have DVD support is becoming a real pain. I also like to use kaffeine, too, but even if xine likes DVDs, the kaffeine that came with SUSE 10 still won't play them! I heard that Novell might put all of the commercial stuff on a separate CD for 10.1, so why couldn't some DVD playing application be on it? I know that the license for DVDs gets in the way, but come on. -Steven
For the same reason as Windows. Microsoft don't include support for playing DVD's either. There are licensing and legal issues to this. Windows would be even more expensive than it already is if it included DVD support and the same would apply to SUSE. The "free" DVD libraries are illegal to install and use in many countries, therefore Novell/openSUSE would get into a lot of hot water, or they'd need to probably double the price to include a "legal" solution from the likes of Cyberlink. Don't forget that a majority of people don't install Windows themselves, they buy a PC which comes bundled with an OEM copy of a DVD player included with one of the hardware components, or they buy a hardware component to build a PC themselves and that comes with a OEM copy of a DVD player, which they install during the install process, so by the time they stick a DVD into their Windows box it just plays. If you build a PC yourself and just install Windows on it, Media Player will forward you to a website where you can spend around $50 or so to download a DVD player codec from a third party company... It might be possible to do the same with SUSE, but I'm not sure if Cyberlinks DVD player works with SUSE Linux (I have a dedicated DVD player connected to my THX sound system and big-screen TV, so watching videos on a 20.1" TFT doesn't really interest me...). Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
Am Sonntag, 5. März 2006 12:41 schrieb David Wright:
For the same reason as Windows. Microsoft don't include support for playing DVD's either. There are licensing and legal issues to this. Windows would be even more expensive than it already is if it included DVD support and the same would apply to SUSE. The "free" DVD libraries are illegal to install and use in many countries, therefore Novell/openSUSE would get into a lot of hot water, or they'd need to probably double the price to include a "legal" solution from the likes of Cyberlink.
As much as I know it isn't illegal in *all* countries. Wouldn't it be possible to have a site and make Yast-installable rpm's available there? Of course, SUSE or Novell couldn do that, but the community could, couldn't it? I am no lawyer, so I could be wrong, but for many people new to Linux who don't care too much about legal issues (but are afraid of self compiling and installing) something like this would be of great service, I guess. Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com special interest site: http://www.bauer-nudes.com
On 05/03/06, Daniel Bauer
As much as I know it isn't illegal in *all* countries. Wouldn't it be possible to have a site and make Yast-installable rpm's available there? Of course, SUSE or Novell couldn do that, but the community could, couldn't it?
I am no lawyer, so I could be wrong, but for many people new to Linux who don't care too much about legal issues (but are afraid of self compiling and installing) something like this would be of great service, I guess.
I guess there is nothing stopping somebody doing this in a legal country...it's the setting it up and running it that takes time. Unpaid time :-( I agree that yes, it would be great. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Am Sonntag, 5. März 2006 13:39 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am Sonntag, 5. März 2006 12:41 schrieb David Wright:
For the same reason as Windows. Microsoft don't include support for playing DVD's either. There are licensing and legal issues to this. Windows would be even more expensive than it already is if it included DVD support and the same would apply to SUSE. The "free" DVD libraries are illegal to install and use in many countries, therefore Novell/openSUSE would get into a lot of hot water, or they'd need to probably double the price to include a "legal" solution from the likes of Cyberlink.
As much as I know it isn't illegal in *all* countries. Wouldn't it be possible to have a site and make Yast-installable rpm's available there? Of course, SUSE or Novell couldn do that, but the community could, couldn't it?
Not all, but many, but in the ones where Novell are based (US (parent company) and Germany (SUSE HQ) for example) it is illegal... Hollywood won't provide an opensource player to watch DVD's at home under Linux, but they rattle their sabres at solutions which allow you to view DVD's which aren't approved by them...
I am no lawyer, so I could be wrong, but for many people new to Linux who don't care too much about legal issues (but are afraid of self compiling and installing) something like this would be of great service, I guess.
Daniel
Waxborg includes a script for automating the install of the DVD libraries and Mplayer for example. Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
On this very subject I have just read that Cyberlink are producing a Linux Media Centre type suite of software. It will be OEM to start with but there should be a purchased copy later on. I wonder who the main PC distributor will be though? -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On Sun March 5 2006 9:27 am, Kevanf1 wrote:
On this very subject I have just read that Cyberlink are producing a Linux Media Centre type suite of software. It will be OEM to start with but there should be a purchased copy later on. I wonder who the main PC distributor will be though?
since Dell is already selling PCs with Linux, and they have a nice Media Center setup laptop ( XPS M140) they would be a good bet.. one could only hope.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-03-04 at 21:17 -0500, Steven Pasternak wrote:
Does anybody know why Novell won't add any kind of DVD support in even the commercial product?
http://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_Formats#DVD_Video http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2005-Oct/0250.html - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFECuBBtTMYHG2NR9URAijLAJ4v/fAEzkJnZPdzRjdmvUKTKsNNkwCfeNmb xC5JXx6kubGLKi5RMmTJLDs= =YIjb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 3/5/06, Carlos E. R.
http://en.opensuse.org/Restricted_Formats#DVD_Video
http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2005-Oct/0250.html
these are great links, and very helpful. Thank you! A couple questions remain for me: 1)is it true that the retail (boxed) version of 10.0 already has the MP3 support? 2)the instructions for adding dvd and mp3 and wmv support all seem to be centered on KDE. Is the process the same when using the gnome desktop? My kid has that, and I'm trying to help him get it multi-media complete. Peter
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2006-03-05 at 10:32 -0600, Peter Van Lone wrote:
A couple questions remain for me:
1)is it true that the retail (boxed) version of 10.0 already has the MP3 support?
So I have heard, but not for all tools. They paid the licenses or whatever to use certain package, but I don't remember which, as I don't use 10.0. Could be realplayer, helix or something.
2)the instructions for adding dvd and mp3 and wmv support all seem to be centered on KDE. Is the process the same when using the gnome desktop? My kid has that, and I'm trying to help him get it multi-media complete.
I use gnome and SuSE 9.3, but the extra tools I needed I compiled myself, I don't use packman (for no particular reason). Also, in 9.3 there were 4 oficial multimedia patches that solved most of the problems (not the dvd one, certainly). - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEC2q3tTMYHG2NR9URAlGTAJ9hZ9R3kzSq9t9aYadxyT0JJZ/4ngCeKXAY 3yu6fh7VdMlVXMyH7t5Gjb0= =Xy70 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sunday 05 March 2006 03:17, Steven Pasternak wrote:
Does anybody know why Novell won't add any kind of DVD support in even the commercial product? I mean, if I go out and pay money for the software, why can't it play DVDs. I understand why this is so for OpenSUSE, since it is free and all, but recompiling xine to have DVD support is becoming a real pain. I also like to use kaffeine, too, but even if xine likes DVDs, the kaffeine that came with SUSE 10 still won't play them! I heard that Novell might put all of the commercial stuff on a separate CD for 10.1, so why couldn't some DVD playing application be on it? I know that the license for DVDs gets in the way, but come on. -Steven
The mp3 codec has already been licensed for future products. I haven't heard anything definite about DVD codecs, but I'm looking forward with anticipation to the next release of Enterprise Desktop
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