On 10/11/2014 12:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-10-11 11:12, ellanios82 wrote:

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How please to re-start system logging ? Is it installed? A minimal install does not get it. Maybe you have rsyslog, or syslog-ng instead.

In my system, syslog.service is a symlink to rsyslog.service

- Thank you : yast tells me that i have systemd-logger and that neither rsyslog, nor syslog-ng are installed .............. as my knowledge / desktop-needs are most junior, what please would be the most simple yet informative for me ? - might it be simpler to install rsyslog, which requires the de-installation of systemd-logger ? ............ thanks regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [10-11-14 06:26]: [...]

I certainly prefer traditional syslog to systemd persistent binary logger. Last I heard, searching on it is awfully slow (days) on rotating disks. Fast enough on flash disks.

Up to you. It has some advantages, which you may want/need or not.

But I was not aware that both conflicted, I though you could have both systems installed and running. :-?

I too have rsyslog installed and trying to install systemd-logger announces conflict and since I am somewhat used to and comfortable with rsyslog, it stays. And istr conversation here that agreed with you about co-existance of {r}syslog and systemd-logger, but perhaps the conversation was more about journald. Looking at my desktop openSUSE-Factory, there is no *journal* package installed. Only systemd provides journalctl and that is the only executable, *journ*, in my path. Seems the longer I live the more confused I become and I don't believe it is related to the "oldtimer's" condition. Learned "truths" seem to no longer apply and apparently their departure is un-announced in a manner which is visible to me ???? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

ellanios82 wrote:

On 10/11/2014 04:12 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I too have rsyslog installed and trying to install systemd-logger announces conflict and since I am somewhat used to and comfortable with rsyslog, it stays.

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- thank you

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I don't believe it is related to the "oldtimer's" condition. Learned "truths" seem to no longer apply and apparently their departure is un-announced in a manner which is visible to me ???? ____________________

in the matter of the discourse / divergence of views, vitriolically expressed by the late mr. Dirk :

- perhaps an elegant resolution would be more easily arrived at, had the Linux community been more attentive to the preferences of the Linux trade-mark Owner?

Sievert & Poettering have no interest in anyone but themselves.. If they did, they wouldn't have broken /usr (by moving tons of executables in /bin into /usr/bin, rather than just creating symbolic links from /usr/bin/ to the executables in /bin, which has made one of many trap-door which make it easy to fall INTO system-d idiocy, and difficult to get out of.

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regards

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On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 09:12:51AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Looking at my desktop openSUSE-Factory, there is no *journal* package installed. Only systemd provides journalctl and that is the only executable, *journ*, in my path.

Seems the longer I live the more confused I become and I don't believe it is related to the "oldtimer's" condition. Learned "truths" seem to no longer apply and apparently their departure is un-announced in a manner which is visible to me ????

It is now a completely different operating system and gnu/linux OS that you have learned to love for the last 20 years is all but gone... SERIOUSLY. The truth is, Linux is dead and now we have systemd OS. It is backward compatable ***sometimes*** but not always and after looking at it even a little bit closely, you will see it is like the stepford wives. It looks like your wife but it sure aint her. The logging system has been turned completely upside down. Everything is stored as binaries. BTW, PIDs are meaningless as well and everything is controlled by cgroup ids. Also, the parant child relationships are now circumvented by system D. They don't want to confuse those poor programs with any inherited envronmental variables.... Ruben

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