LINUX USERS DARE SCO TO SUE THEM(OT)
LINUX USERS DARE SCO TO SUE THEM Online Staff -- May 22 2003 Over 2500 Linux users have signed an online petition calling on the SCO Group to sue them over allegations made by the company that its intellectual property has been unauthorisedly used in the Linux kernel. Titled, "Hey SCO, sue me", the petition says: "I am a Linux user. I feel that SCO's tactics toward an operating system of my choice are unjust, ill founded and bizarre. http://www.petitiononline.com/scosueme/petition.html -- Powered by SuSE Linux 8.2 Pro & KMail 1.5.1 Never forget: At Microsoft, the engineering department are the Ferengi... The marketing and legal departments are the Borg!
On Friday 23 May 2003 11:03 am, Fred A. Miller wrote:
LINUX USERS DARE SCO TO SUE THEM Online Staff -- May 22 2003
Over 2500 Linux users have signed an online petition calling on the SCO Group to sue them over allegations made by the company that its intellectual property has been unauthorisedly used in the Linux kernel.
Titled, "Hey SCO, sue me", the petition says: "I am a Linux user. I feel that SCO's tactics toward an operating system of my choice are unjust, ill founded and bizarre.
Up to 3,500 now and the petition is closing tomorrow, the 24th. Better sign it now.
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-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/23/03 12:44 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "You might be a high-tech Red-neck if: your checkbook always balances"
Up to 3,500 now and the petition is closing tomorrow, the 24th.
Better sign it now.
And end up with a flood of SPAM. All these on-line petitions and discussion groups where you have to provide your e-mail address is a perfect source for spammers to get a bunch of bulk e-mails and clutter your Inbox. Alex
On Friday 23 May 2003 16:13 pm, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Up to 3,500 now and the petition is closing tomorrow, the 24th.
Better sign it now.
And end up with a flood of SPAM. All these on-line petitions and discussion groups where you have to provide your e-mail address is a perfect source for spammers to get a bunch of bulk e-mails and clutter your Inbox.
Alex
Hey... if you've been around the internet for more than a year, you're email address has already been nailed. But this is what they say on the 'signing page': Please note: All information you provide on this petition signing form will be public on the petition signatures page, except your email address, for which privacy is set here: Email Address Privacy Option: (choose one) Private Available to Petition Author Public Explanation of Email Address Privacy Options: - "Private" means your email address is stored in a secure private location, for signature validation only. - "Available to Petition Author" means your email address will not be available to the public, but will be available to the petition author, as well as being stored in a secure private location for signature validation. - "Public" means anyone viewing the signature pages on the Web for this petition can get your email address and send you email. If they have any honesty at all, they are giving you the option to your privacy. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/23/03 16:46 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler."
www.tpc.int
If the area code for sco is covered we can send a free fax by email to
SCO.
I dont know where they are or I would construct the address.
BTW the software is free to download.
CWSIV
On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:13:42 -0700 Alex Daniloff
Up to 3,500 now and the petition is closing tomorrow, the 24th.
Better sign it now.
And end up with a flood of SPAM. All these on-line petitions and discussion groups where you have to provide your e-mail address is a perfect source for spammers to get a bunch of bulk e-mails and clutter your Inbox.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 26 May 2003 13:52, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
www.tpc.int
If the area code for sco is covered we can send a free fax by email to SCO.
I dont know where they are or I would construct the address.
BTW the software is free to download.
CWSIV
Is this what we need? The SCO Group 355 South 520 West Suite 100 Lindon, Utah 84042 USA 801-765-4999 phone 801-765-1313 fax Now we just need someone to write up a template letter that we can all copy or paraphrase and sign ourselves and everyone send it at one time. They'll walk into a room full of paper!! LOL! John - -- I needed fresh bugs for my SuSE gecko, and Linux penguin. So I went out and caught this huge ugly blue and red and green and yellow butterfly. They won't need fresh food for 3 months now. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+0xElH5oDXyLKXKQRAkuUAKC1VpnpFIx6za1iJObDI2MxfYvLggCfZE97 8Ts7rsWYqlrmzwlvlTFntec= =Cli/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John wrote: \ | | Now we just need someone to write up a template letter that we can all copy | or paraphrase and sign ourselves and everyone send it at one time. They'll | walk into a room full of paper!! LOL! | | John no, no, no. What you do is you take about 4 feet of black paper, and fax it to sco. ~ once the start of the paper comes through, you tape the tail end to it, so you get a continious loop of all black paper being faxed. ink costs mor4e than paper. oh, disable caller ID too Jeo - -- SuSE Linux 8.1 (i386) Kernal: 2.4.19-4GB / i686 | Posted from: Miverna ~ 12:16am up 6:49, 3 users, load average: 0.80, 0.36, 0.17 nqs@tmcom.com | http://tigger.tmcom.com/~nqs/blogger.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+0xGKoS1S7SxfpzwRAnJ6AKChkr+YjtccUFt/QpTI6fCpgXOu4gCfY1vb WvS41Lpql8pFXWgaHoIDkiI= =sRRk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Saddly 801 is not covered by TPC.INT
How is the letter design going?
CWSIV
On Tue, 27 May 2003 02:17:51 -0500 John
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On Monday 26 May 2003 13:52, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
www.tpc.int
If the area code for sco is covered we can send a free fax by email to SCO.
I dont know where they are or I would construct the address.
BTW the software is free to download.
CWSIV
Is this what we need?
The SCO Group 355 South 520 West Suite 100 Lindon, Utah 84042 USA 801-765-4999 phone 801-765-1313 fax
Now we just need someone to write up a template letter that we can all co= py=20 or paraphrase and sign ourselves and everyone send it at one time. They'll= =20 walk into a room full of paper!! LOL!
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<stuff snipped> I honestly believe in paying for software (if that is what the developer or wants). I even go so far as paying for Microsoft products because my sons need them to run his game, edutainment and learning programs. I appreaciate the fact that some people want compensation for the intellectual work. I wanted it with the books and articles I published. So, if Caldera actually has a case then I feel a moral obligation to stop using whatever it is that is violating their rights. After all, I would hate someone to make money off of one of my books or articles. However, I am not stupid. Simply saying that that by using Linux I am doing something illegal is not enough. After all, we are talking about millions of lines of code in thousands of programs. I want to know just what it is that I am doing that is illegal. I also find it somewhat insulting to claim I am doing something illegal without giving me a chance to correct that problem. So, perhaps I should just sue SCO. Not for millions of dollar, but just enough to keep it within small claims court. With old Darl as the defendent, more than likely he will have to appear personally rather than be able to send his lawyer. (at least that is how it works in other states). So if thousands of Linux users all sued Caldera in small claims court, (making sure it never got to class action status), then we could keep 'em busy for the next couple of years dealing with our law suits. If he doesn't show, then we win by default and collect $500 (for example). Times 100,000 Linux users who decide to sue, that's not a small piece of change. (which they probably don't have to begin with.) Just a thought. Regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info --------------------------------------- NOTE: All messages sent to me in response to my posts to newsgroups, mailing lists or forums are subject to reposting.
On Friday 23 May 2003 18:00 pm, James Mohr wrote:
<stuff snipped>
I honestly believe in paying for software (if that is what the developer or wants). I even go so far as paying for Microsoft products because my sons need them to run his game, edutainment and learning programs. I appreaciate the fact that some people want compensation for the intellectual work. I wanted it with the books and articles I published. So, if Caldera actually has a case then I feel a moral obligation to stop using whatever it is that is violating their rights. After all, I would hate someone to make money off of one of my books or articles.
However, I am not stupid. Simply saying that that by using Linux I am doing something illegal is not enough. After all, we are talking about millions of lines of code in thousands of programs. I want to know just what it is that I am doing that is illegal. I also find it somewhat insulting to claim I am doing something illegal without giving me a chance to correct that problem.
So, perhaps I should just sue SCO. Not for millions of dollar, but just enough to keep it within small claims court. With old Darl as the defendent, more than likely he will have to appear personally rather than be able to send his lawyer. (at least that is how it works in other states). So if thousands of Linux users all sued Caldera in small claims court, (making sure it never got to class action status), then we could keep 'em busy for the next couple of years dealing with our law suits. If he doesn't show, then we win by default and collect $500 (for example). Times 100,000 Linux users who decide to sue, that's not a small piece of change. (which they probably don't have to begin with.)
Just a thought.
Regards,
jimmo
Not a bad thought. What would you sue for? Defamation of character or some other method to make them expose what their beef is? I could go for this... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/23/03 16:51 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Common sense is not so common."
On Friday 23 May 2003 22:52, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Friday 23 May 2003 18:00 pm, James Mohr wrote: <stuff snipped>
So, perhaps I should just sue SCO. Not for millions of dollar, but just enough to keep it within small claims court. With old Darl as the defendent, more than likely he will have to appear personally rather than be able to send his lawyer. (at least that is how it works in other states). So if thousands of Linux users all sued Caldera in small claims court, (making sure it never got to class action status), then we could keep 'em busy for the next couple of years dealing with our law suits. If he doesn't show, then we win by default and collect $500 (for example). Times 100,000 Linux users who decide to sue, that's not a small piece of change. (which they probably don't have to begin with.)
Not a bad thought. What would you sue for? Defamation of character or some other method to make them expose what their beef is?
I could go for this...
Well, according to the Title 45 Chapter 2 of the Utah Code: http://www.livepublish.le.state.ut.us/lpBin20/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=main-hit-h.htm&2.0 45-2-2. Libel and slander defined. As used in this chapter: (1) "Libel" means a malicious defamation, expressed either by printing or by signs or pictures or the like, tending to blacken the memory of one who is dead, or to impeach the honesty, integrity, virtue or reputation, or publish the natural defects of one who is alive, and thereby to expose him to public hatred, contempt or ridicule. (2) "Slander" means any libel communicated by spoken words. For me the key is " impeach the honesty, integrity, virtue or reputation". By claiming I am using software illegally, they are definately "impeaching my integrity". Personally, I feel it is malicious. Although I am not a developer of any of the Linux components, in my opinion, the comments made about their competence is malicious. Heck, even if I didn't win any money. It would be worth it to twist ol' Darl's tit with a little bit of his own medicine. It would definately be worth a few bucks to see him squirm. Anyone in Utah who can find out how we go about filling a criminal slander complaint? Regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info --------------------------------------- NOTE: All messages sent to me in response to my posts to newsgroups, mailing lists or forums are subject to reposting.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 24 May 2003 09:02, James Mohr wrote: <snip>
Heck, even if I didn't win any money. It would be worth it to twist ol' Darl's tit with a little bit of his own medicine. It would definately be worth a few bucks to see him squirm.
Anyone in Utah who can find out how we go about filling a criminal slander complaint?
Regards,
jimmo
I don't have any money, and still feel the same way as you...I wouldn't care if I won any or not, but also like you, I'd just like to be able to see *real* justice done. I'm tired of being accused by M$ first (I'm using a "viral" OS, thus must be a cracker and bad for the internet as a whole), and now by these SCO twits that I'm just plain straight out a "thief". I'd at least put my name into the list if this were to get going. John - -- I needed fresh bugs for my SuSE gecko, and Linux penguin. So I went out and caught this huge ugly blue and red and green and yellow butterfly. They won't need fresh food for 3 months now. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+z6wfH5oDXyLKXKQRArvxAKCPyg7Uf+cj8nIOLPYjFq2nKuCf6QCfY6TP K9rlvSCtRtZ4J6lzJFVTyhw= =lkQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Saturday 24 May 2003 19:30, John wrote:
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I don't have any money, and still feel the same way as you...I wouldn't care if I won any or not, but also like you, I'd just like to be able to see *real* justice done. I'm tired of being accused by M$ first (I'm using a "viral" OS, thus must be a cracker and bad for the internet as a whole), and now by these SCO twits that I'm just plain straight out a "thief". I'd at least put my name into the list if this were to get going.
John
If we were to do this, there cannot be a "list". This cannot be a collective of any kind. That would probably give Caldera the ability to get it classified as a class action suit and McBride's lawyers can then handle it as a *single* suit. First, we don't want his lawyers to be dealing with it, we want McBride. Second, we don't want him to have just a single suit, but thousands, if not tens of thousands. regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info --------------------------------------- NOTE: All messages sent to me in response to my posts to newsgroups, mailing lists or forums are subject to reposting.
On Sun, 25 May 2003 08:26:18 +0200
James Mohr
On Saturday 24 May 2003 19:30, John wrote:
<snip>
I don't have any money, and still feel the same way as you...I wouldn't care if I won any or not, but also like you, I'd just like to be able to see *real* justice done. I'm tired of being accused by M$ first (I'm using a "viral" OS, thus must be a cracker and bad for the internet as a whole), and now by these SCO twits that I'm just plain straight out a "thief". I'd at least put my name into the list if this were to get going.
John
If we were to do this, there cannot be a "list". This cannot be a collective of any kind. That would probably give Caldera the ability to get it classified as a class action suit and McBride's lawyers can then handle it as a *single* suit. First, we don't want his lawyers to be dealing with it, we want McBride. Second, we don't want him to have just a single suit, but thousands, if not tens of thousands.
Hey, do you think I can get a refund back from Caldera for their linux version I bought way back when. What about all the Wabi they sold? -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation
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