On Sunday 20 June 2010 12:33:20 am Don Raboud wrote:

On June 19, 2010 03:20:32 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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When I started up kmail for the first time in its kde4 form, I was surprised to see it organizing the inbox by who started the thread. For some fortunate reason, this is not the way kmail is arranged in my v11,2.kde4 laptop machine, so apparently is it not compulsory.

I would like to ditch it and revert to the simpler way messages were organized in kde3, but I do not find how to do that.

How can I do this?

Stan,

The setting you want has to do with message aggregation. Under kmail 1.13.5 it is under

View -> Message List -> Aggregation

But for earlier versions of KDE4 it may be elsewhere.

Apparently it is somewhere else, but I haven't been able to find it. Under the View menu does seem to be a logical place to put it; perhaps that was the reason for moving it elsewhere.Changing things around more or less at random is not a way to produce stability. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 20 June 2010 12:33:46 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Stan Goodman [06-19-10 17:23]:

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When I started up kmail for the first time in its kde4 form, I was surprised to see it organizing the inbox by who started the thread. For some fortunate reason, this is not the way kmail is arranged in my v11,2.kde4 laptop machine, so apparently is it not compulsory.

I would like to ditch it and revert to the simpler way messages were organized in kde3, but I do not find how to do that.

How can I do this?

I would guess the first thing would be to explain *how* you want the message list displayed as kde3 had many options as does kde4.

That's what I did. I said I want it "the simple way messages were arranged in kde3". And, from your paragraph just below, you have understood it.

ps. You might try right-clicking on the column-title bar. That works similarily to kde3.

"Column-title bar"? Oh. Yes, it IS clickable! Interestingly, the three items that are checked are Subject, Sender/Receive, and Date, yet the date, which would have been a useful touch, is absent, and only the first two appear. I do not see any available item about who started the thread, so that may have been moved elsewhere for some reason (or without one). But "Aggregating" would have gone over my head anyway. Before I asked the question, by the way, I did click on everything in sight (not the Column0title bar, because there is nothing about it to suggest that it clicks). Most clicks get only a choice between Expand/Collapse all groups. So, how can I get rid of the who-started-it sorting? I'll ask on the KDE-PIM list. That should be entertaining. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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* Stan Goodman [06-19-10 18:22]:

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On Sunday 20 June 2010 12:33:46 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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So, how can I get rid of the who-started-it sorting?

so you didn't explore the other explanation, "Aggregating", as that would be it. You may need to stand on a ladder.

He can't find where that agregating thing is. He said so. Not in the "view" menu. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwdYO0ACgkQU92UU+smfQVWugCfaF/SSwUkek4uD5iiWUgVH0zS pMYAn37PViuRP+gPO8EkSy/k7R5NPPwq =FEyy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 03:11, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. [06-19-10 20:32]:

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On 2010-06-20 00:26, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Stan Goodman [06-19-10 18:22]:

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On Sunday 20 June 2010 12:33:46 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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So, how can I get rid of the who-started-it sorting?

so you didn't explore the other explanation, "Aggregating", as that would be it.  You may need to stand on a ladder.

He can't find where that agregating thing is. He said so. Not in the "view" menu.

The OP said  "View -> Message List -> Aggregation", but maybe that's too hard, or *maybe* there is a "View" menu that his hidden somewhere that I cannot find  :^)  Is he looking for "Aggravate", maybe?

There is also the exact same options under the Settings > Appearance > Message list... more fine grained as well. Ummm.. that is.. it's that way in 4.4.... is Stan using 4.3.5? Is it different there? C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 09:50, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Ummm.. that is.. it's that way in 4.4.... is Stan using 4.3.5?  Is it different there?

This is kde 4.3.5, because that's what the DVD installed. I have not had the time to venture into far-reaching upgrades, because I am spending an enormous amount of time on simply trying to get things to be usable.

Which is likely to be time not so well spent. There were literally thousands of bugs opened on KDE4.3 and a significant number of them were fixed on the way to 4.4 and 4.5Beta. Some of those bugs included adding missing functionality. I haven't used 4.3 in a very long time because of this. Rule 1 with KDE4... Don't try to make it KDE3. That will not work. you will end up being totally frustrated and annoyed. Rule 2 with KDE4... upgrade to the latest Factory build. It's worth it, and it's stable. A significant number of the annoyances in the 4.2 and 4.3 versions have been fixed. There are still more to go, but the desktop is VERY usable in the 4.4 and up versions. Rule 3 with KDE4... see Rule 1. KDE4 works differently than KDE3. It is NOT KDE 3.6. As for the KMail settings, it's possible to fiddle with the options to get the old flat view back. I know it's there because I've done it. It's in the Tools > Configure KMail options menu somewhere. That combined with some right clicking here and there, and I had it back to the flat view.... what those clicks were though, I cannot remember. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Stan Goodman [06-20-10 15:58]:

And I would add that there is much more to the story of kde3 > kde4, but it is unfortunately too late to correct it..I think that the all could have been handled better, had there been some sort of external oversight over the team. I think that, in the absence of such oversight, the team was/is a loose cannon. But again, too late for that now.

Why do you condemn something which you have little knowledge of and do not understand? It doesn't need *correcting*, but minor correct for *reported* bugs. You are deriding the product that the people "trying" to assist you have grown to like and find productive. The "loose cannon" will appear when you next look into the mirror; please do not break it. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 20 June 2010 09:50:44 am Stan Goodman wrote:

On Sunday 20 June 2010 09:41:21 am C wrote:

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On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 03:11, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. [06-19-10 20:32]:

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On 2010-06-20 00:26, Patrick Shanahan wrote: ...

In Settings > Configure Kmail > Appearance > Message List are the following items:

General Display tool tips Hide tab bar Date Display <various options>

Nothing about Aggregation.

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Ummm.. that is.. it's that way in 4.4.... is Stan using 4.3.5? Is it different there?

This is kde 4.3.5, because that's what the DVD installed. I have not had the time to venture into far-reaching upgrades, because I am spending an enormous amount of time on simply trying to get things to be usable.

Well, after long and unsuccessful searches in all the kmail menus and options , I discovered inadvertently five small icons (or widgets.. don't know ! ) at the end of the line just above the message list. One of them opens a dialog box allowing you to chose between 10 various sort options. Another one lets you chose among 8 possible aggregation modes. I am using kde 4.3.5 with kmail 1.12.4 maybe it could help -- Paul Ollion Proud Linux user SuSE 11.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2010-06-20 09:50, Stan Goodman wrote:

This is kde 4.3.5, because that's what the DVD installed. I have not had the time to venture into far-reaching upgrades, because I am spending an enormous amount of time on simply trying to get things to be usable.

You should update to whatever the update repo has - which is 4.3.5, I believe. Using other repos is for the adventurous. You can verify what you have by using: rpm -qa | grep -i kde I have: cer@Elessar:~> rpm -qf /usr/bin/kde4 kdebase4-runtime-4.3.5-0.1.2.x86_64 -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))

On 2010-06-20 22:10, Stan Goodman wrote:

On Sunday 20 June 2010 10:33:17 pm Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I have:

cer@Elessar:~> rpm -qf /usr/bin/kde4 kdebase4-runtime-4.3.5-0.1.2.x86_64

That's what I have too, so I'm apparently up to date. And you are suggesting NOT going to v4.4. I admit that the Factory repo scares me a bit. Presumably it would not be very long before v4.4 graduates to the default repos.

I'm suggesting not using extra repos unless you know what you do ;-) Factory is if you feel adventurous, want the newest, like to solve problems... I'd try the backports, then the stable. You see, those are not "official" updates. If you have a problem that you can not live with, and it is solved with one of those updates, then you need to update. But you might bump into other problems... or perhaps not. In any case, you will need to work at your machine... See here: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories then here: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories Then choose :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))

On Sunday 20 June 2010 14:31:08 Stan Goodman wrote:

On Sunday 20 June 2010 04:11:02 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. [06-19-10 20:32]:

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On 2010-06-20 00:26, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Stan Goodman [06-19-10 18:22]:

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On Sunday 20 June 2010 12:33:46 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:

So, how can I get rid of the who-started-it sorting?

so you didn't explore the other explanation, "Aggregating", as that would be it. You may need to stand on a ladder.

He can't find where that agregating thing is. He said so. Not in the "view" menu.

The OP said "View -> Message List -> Aggregation", but maybe that's

too hard, or *maybe* there is a "View" menu that his hidden somewhere that I cannot find :^) Is he looking for "Aggravate", maybe?

To be brutally explicit, under View, there is no item "Message List", ergo, there is no "Aggregation" under it. That is what I told the person who suggested it. You are working too hard at this, Patrick.

To be explicit, under my View, there is a Message List and that contains Aggregation and Sorting and Theme. Which version of Kmail are you using? Which KDE version? My Kmail and KDE are 1.13.5 respectively 4.4.4 You may have put it somewhere in an email but I am too lazy to read through the complete thread. Perhaps you are looking under View from the composer? -- Linux User 183145 using LXDE on a Pentium III , powered by openSUSE 11.2 (i586) Kernel: 2.6.31.12-0.2-desktop LXDE WM & KDE Development Platform: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) 15:14pm up 16:28, 2 users, load average: 3.87, 2.00, 1.52 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 20 June 2010 22:34:20 Stan Goodman wrote:

I am looking now at Kmail in Kontact. The menu bar contains a "View" menu, which I assume is what we are talking about. Pulling it down exposes the following items: All fields, Identity, Dictionary, Send-Mail folder, Mail transport, From, Reply-to, Subjct, Use Fixed Font, Snippets. Nothing about Message list.

I do find a Message List page in Settings > Configure Kmail > Appearance, but it has nothing to do with sorting.

I believe it was at the top right of the message list, next to the search bar. There was a drop-down menu where you could select the aggregation order. I don't have that version in front of me now, so I can only hope that this vague description helps you find it Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 20 June 2010 01:26:03 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Stan Goodman [06-19-10 18:22]:

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On Sunday 20 June 2010 12:33:46 am Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I would guess the first thing would be to explain *how* you want the message list displayed as kde3 had many options as does kde4.

That's what I did. I said I want it "the simple way messages were arranged in kde3". And, from your paragraph just below, you have understood it.

I guess not. What is simple for you is not necessarily the same for someone else.

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ps. You might try right-clicking on the column-title bar. That works similarily to kde3.

"Column-title bar"? Oh. Yes, it IS clickable! Interestingly, the three items that are checked are Subject, Sender/Receive, and Date, yet the date, which would have been a useful touch, is absent, and only the first two appear.

I do not see any available item about who started the thread, so that may have been moved elsewhere for some reason (or without one). But "Aggregating" would have gone over my head anyway.

Before I asked the question, by the way, I did click on everything in sight (not the Column0title bar, because there is nothing about it to suggest that it clicks). Most clicks get only a choice between Expand/Collapse all groups.

So, how can I get rid of the who-started-it sorting?

so you didn't explore the other explanation, "Aggregating", as that would be it. You may need to stand on a ladder.

Of course I sought the "Aggregating" option. It isn't there, nor have I found it anywhere else. My remark that you have quoted simply meant that the I would probably not have associated the term with what I was looking for. But again, that is moot, because it is not present in the menu system here.

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I'll ask on the KDE-PIM list. That should be entertaining.

as you wish, but if you follow their suggestions as here, you will accomplish *nothing*.

I have followed every instruction and suggestion that I have received, and have poked around everywhere I could see. The fact is that the system seems to have changed so frequently that what others see is not what is seen here, because of I may have installed a bit later than they, and therefore have a different variant. One can ask how it is possible to write help systems for such a variable environment; answer: it really isn't. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org