Any diffs between 9.2 DVD (purchased) and 9.2 DVD iso on FTP servers
Just wondering if there is any discernable difference, such as different packages not being included on the DVD ISO download. Since it's being called an "Eval" version on Novell's/SUSE's site, I wasn't sure. Greg
Just wondering if there is any discernable difference, such as different packages not being included on the DVD ISO download. Since it's being called an "Eval" version on Novell's/SUSE's site, I wasn't sure.
See Roger's observations at http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd.html and http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd_2.html -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org GNOME for SuSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms
James Ogley wrote:
Just wondering if there is any discernable difference, such as different packages not being included on the DVD ISO download. Since it's being called an "Eval" version on Novell's/SUSE's site, I wasn't sure.
See Roger's observations at http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd.html and http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd_2.html
Hi James Hi List Is this really an enormous change? If you've got the bandwidth to conveniently download multi-gigabyte DVD iso's, can't you also just install via ftp? The 'missing' packages are available on the mirrors, they're just not included in the iso they've created. - Carl p.s. James: I'm a big fan! How much groveling is it going to take to get Gnome 2.8 on SuSE 9.2? (grovel grovel) :-)
p.s. James: I'm a big fan! How much groveling is it going to take to get Gnome 2.8 on SuSE 9.2? (grovel grovel) :-)
Not much, it's just a matter of me finding the time to * Sort out the gotchas on my TODO List on 9.1 (eg the curl packages) * Install 9.2 & do all the updates * Build all the GNOME packages The last stage will take at least two days working full time, so you see the problem, but I fully hope for it to happen. Then I can start getting ready for 2.10 - due in March ;) -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org GNOME for SuSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 22:35 -0100, James Ogley wrote:
Just wondering if there is any discernable difference, such as different packages not being included on the DVD ISO download. Since it's being called an "Eval" version on Novell's/SUSE's site, I wasn't sure.
See Roger's observations at http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd.html and http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd_2.html -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org GNOME for SuSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms
Thanks. This is helpful. Quite a difference really, even for use on my notebook. I think I will continue to purchase the distro. Greg
From: "Greg Macek"
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 22:35 -0100, James Ogley wrote:
Just wondering if there is any discernable difference, such as different packages not being included on the DVD ISO download. Since it's being called an "Eval" version on Novell's/SUSE's site, I wasn't sure.
See Roger's observations at http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd.html and http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd_2.html -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org GNOME for SuSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms
Thanks. This is helpful. Quite a difference really, even for use on my notebook. I think I will continue to purchase the distro.
Greg
I don't understand ever releasing a Linux distro without: apache2 apcupsd bind - and utilities dhcp-server, client, etc. ethereal php4, etc.. If james list is correct, how in the heck would the machine ever obtain an IP? I haven't looked at the ftp package list, but surely it must have dhcp included. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN LAW FIRM, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankin-bertin.com --
David, On Wednesday 26 January 2005 08:00, david rankin wrote:
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I don't understand ever releasing a Linux distro without:
apache2 apcupsd bind - and utilities dhcp-server, client, etc. ethereal php4, etc..
It appears you think all, or even most, Linux users run systems used as servers. I strongly doubt that's the case.
David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E.
Randall Schulz
I don't understand ever releasing a Linux distro without:
apache2 apcupsd bind - and utilities dhcp-server, client, etc. ethereal php4, etc..
Randall Added
It appears you think all, or even most, Linux users run systems used as servers. I strongly doubt that's the case.
Maybe I'm just old school, but every distro I've ever bought or downloaded up until very recently has always included the capability to be either a server or workstation or both. Starting with mdk 7 or Suse 8. Granted, the improvement with the ftp mirror and update setup has largely rendered this argument moot. You can simply grab the additional packages you need. My point was that a large number of folks view the server packages as 'core' applications to any distro and it just seems strange that they weren't included There certainly wasn't a space argument to be raised. There is 1.6G of free space on the single layer DVD.
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 12:24 pm, david rankin wrote:
I don't understand ever releasing a Linux distro without:
apache2 apcupsd bind - and utilities dhcp-server, client, etc. ethereal php4, etc..
Randall Added
It appears you think all, or even most, Linux users run systems used as servers. I strongly doubt that's the case.
Maybe I'm just old school, but every distro I've ever bought or downloaded up until very recently has always included the capability to be either a server or workstation or both. Starting with mdk 7 or Suse 8. Granted, the improvement with the ftp mirror and update setup has largely rendered this argument moot. You can simply grab the additional packages you need. My point was that a large number of folks view the server packages as 'core' applications to any distro and it just seems strange that they weren't included There certainly wasn't a space argument to be raised. There is 1.6G of free space on the single layer DVD. ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-devel-2.0.50-7.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-doc-2.0.50-7.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-example-pages-2.0.50-7.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-mod_auth_mysql-20030510-208.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-mod_fastcgi-2.4.2-2.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-mod_macro-1.1.6-2.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-mod_perl-1.99_12_20040302-38.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-mod_php4-4.3.8-8.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-mod_python-3.1.3-37.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-mod_ruby-1.2.2-2.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-prefork-2.0.50-7.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apache2-worker-2.0.50-7.i586.rpm
pin 0.30 - package info for apcupsd
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---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apcupsd-3.10.15-3.i586.rpm ---> ./CD1/suse/x86_64/apcupsd-3.10.15-3.x86_64.rpm ---> ./CD2/suse/src/apcupsd-3.10.15-3.src.rpm
./CD1/suse/i586/nessus-core-2.0.12-2.i586.rpm: -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1618 Oct 5 02:16 /usr/lib/nessus/plugins/apcupsd_overflows.nasl ---> ./CD1/suse/i586/apcupsd-3.10.15-3.i586.rpm ./CD1/suse/i586/apcupsd-3.10.15-3.i586.rpm: Name : apcupsd Relocations: (not relocatable) ./CD1/suse/i586/apcupsd-3.10.15-3.i586.rpm: Version : 3.10.15 Vendor: SUSE LINUX AG, Nuernberg, Germany ./CD1/suse/i586/apcupsd-3.10.15-3.i586.rpm: Release : 3
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pin 0.30 - package info for ethereal
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Name : ethereal Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.10.6 Vendor: SUSE LINUX AG, Nuernberg , Germany Release : 3 Build Date: Mon 04 Oct 2004 09:00:05 PM EDT Install date: Thu 18 Nov 2004 01:59:53 PM EST Build Host: arwen.suse.de Group : Productivity/Networking/Diagnostic Source RPM: ethereal-0.10.6-3 .src.rpm Size : 16578523 License: GPL Signature : DSA/SHA1, Mon 04 Oct 2004 09:09:17 PM EDT, Key ID a84edae89c800aca Packager : http://www.suse.de/feedback URL : http://ethereal.com/ Summary : A Network Traffic Analyser Description : Ethereal is a free network protocol analyzer for Unix and Windows. It allows you to examine data from a live network or from a capture file on disk. You can interactively browse the capture data, viewing summary
pin 0.30 - package info for php4
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Name : php4 Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 4.3.8 Vendor: SUSE LINUX AG, Nuernberg , Germany Release : 8 Build Date: Tue 05 Oct 2004 09:12:49 AM EDT Install date: Tue 25 Jan 2005 01:51:24 AM EST Build Host: boltzmann.suse.de Group : Productivity/Networking/Web/Servers Source RPM: php4-4.3.8-8.src .rpm Size : 3052412 License: Other uncritical OpenSou rce License, Other License(s), see package Signature : DSA/SHA1, Tue 05 Oct 2004 09:16:21 AM EDT, Key ID a84edae89c800aca Packager : http://www.suse.de/feedback URL : http://www.php.net Summary : PHP4 Core Files Description : This package contains the PHP4 core files, including PHP binary (CLI) and PHP configuration (php.ini). This package must be installed in Seems like most of what you want *IS* actually on the dvd.. uh, you were talking about the dvd purchased weren't you? ;/ --
j I'm putting on the B-mer Brothers Would you mind putting on this grass skirt?
On 01/25/2005 05:35 PM, James Ogley wrote:
Just wondering if there is any discernable difference, such as different packages not being included on the DVD ISO download. Since it's being called an "Eval" version on Novell's/SUSE's site, I wasn't sure.
See Roger's observations at http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd.html and http://disruptive.org.uk/2005/01/09/the_suse_9.2_ftp_dvd_2.html
I understood this was mainly because the online DVD has the x86_64 stuff removed...? -- ================================================================= Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) ----------------------------------------------------------------- The one sticking point between us and the open-source community is that we actually think that compatibility matters. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -James Gosling, creator of Java =================================================================
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James Ogley -
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Randall R Schulz