Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please recommend me a good laptop brand/model with PIII/P4 or better AMD processor which is working with Linux for sure. I need to use it as my traveling development workstation. I already tried five laptops without any success. Thank you in advance. Alex -- MS Windows users should be covered under the Americans with disabilities Act.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:16:06AM -0700, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please recommend me a good laptop brand/model with PIII/P4 or better AMD processor which is working with Linux for sure. I need to use it as my traveling development workstation. I already tried five laptops without any success.
I'm using IBM Thinkpad T21. It works pretty well with 7.1. -Kastus
Thank you in advance. Alex
Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please recommend me a good laptop brand/model with PIII/P4 or better AMD processor which is working with Linux for sure. I need to use it as my traveling development workstation. I already tried five laptops without any success.
I have a Dell Inspiron 5000e and it works very nicely with Linux. Everything auto-detects except the Winmodem. That said, the 5000e was discontinued, but I think you will find similar success with other Dell models. Also, when I was shopping for laptops, I found that Dell Inspirons were by far the best value at any level of performance. Finally, let me mention a positive experience with Dell. Dell found out a while back that 1 battery from the 5000e series had started a fire, and that potentially 400,000 batteries could have a flaw that would do the same thing. So, they recalled them, and I received two new batteries (I had two) within about 10 days. That isn't so spectacular, but the next part is. Dell decided to "pay" customers for the inconvience by giving every 5000e owner with a defective battery an additional replacement battery in about 10 weeks (so in my case, I had two, so I will end up with four). I thought that was a nice way of making up for the trouble of the recall. -Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks tbutler@uninetsolutions.com ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Free/Open Source Web Tools: http://www.uninetsolutions.com Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com ============== "Christian Web Services Since 1996" ==============
On Wednesday 18 July 2001 19:29, Timothy R.Butler wrote:
Finally, let me mention a positive experience with Dell. Dell found out a while back that 1 battery from the 5000e series had started a fire, and that potentially 400,000 batteries could have a flaw that would do the same thing. So, they recalled them, and I received two new batteries (I had two) within about 10 days. That isn't so spectacular, but the next part is. Dell decided to "pay" customers for the inconvience by giving every 5000e owner with a defective battery an additional replacement battery in about 10 weeks (so in my case, I had two, so I will end up with four). I thought that was a nice way of making up for the trouble of the recall.
I also have great success with Dell. I have an Inspirion 7500 which Suse 7.1 installed like a dream. I am still waiting on funds for 7.2:( Scarlett -- Scarlett Gately Network Administrator Excelco
It's nice to receive messages from 1998 ;-) On Thu, Jan 01, 1998 at 03:25:58AM -0700, Scarlett Gately wrote:
On Wednesday 18 July 2001 19:29, Timothy R.Butler wrote:
Finally, let me mention a positive experience with Dell. Dell found out a while back that 1 battery from the 5000e series had started a fire, and that potentially 400,000 batteries could have a flaw that would do the same thing. So, they recalled them, and I received two new batteries (I had two) within about 10 days. That isn't so spectacular, but the next part is. Dell decided to "pay" customers for the inconvience by giving every 5000e owner with a defective battery an additional replacement battery in about 10 weeks (so in my case, I had two, so I will end up with four). I thought that was a nice way of making up for the trouble of the recall.
I also have great success with Dell. I have an Inspirion 7500 which Suse 7.1 installed like a dream. I am still waiting on funds for 7.2:( Scarlett -- Scarlett Gately Network Administrator Excelco
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It's nice to receive messages from 1998 ;-) oops flashed my bios and forgot to adjust the time and date. Thanks for noticing:) Scarlett
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On Wednesday 18 July 2001 09:29 pm, you wrote:
Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please recommend me a good laptop brand/model with PIII/P4 or better AMD processor which is working with Linux for sure. I need to use it as my traveling development workstation. I already tried five laptops without any success.
I have a Dell Inspiron 5000e and it works very nicely with Linux. Everything auto-detects except the Winmodem. That said, the 5000e was discontinued, but I think you will find similar success with other Dell models. Also, when I was shopping for laptops, I found that Dell Inspirons were by far the best value at any level of performance.
While Tim had good experience with his Dell, it should be membered that he has considerable computer experience. Bear in mind that if you install Linux on your new Dell Laptop, and run into problems, you can expect no help from Dell at all. The recent article at LinuxPlanet, by Michael Hall, describes how a Dell tech blamed the Linux OS for the problem. It actually was defective hardware. Nevertheless the Dell tech was intent on blaming the Linux install. See: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3614/1/ My experience with Dell was similar to Mr. Hall's. I also came across a web page listing complaints about Dell service. Most revealing were the responses from actual Dell technicians. Here are some zingers: ... Yes i believe we are more competant than the stupid people that actually call... ...You are an idiot. If you had not made backups that is your own stupid fault and learn how to spell... To the people who cannot read... So do you want to pay $2000+ for a laptop and then hear that kind of music from Dell support? -- Cheers, Jonathan
While Tim had good experience with his Dell, it should be membered that he has considerable computer experience. Bear in mind that if you install Linux on your new Dell Laptop, and run into problems, you can expect no help from Dell at all. The recent article at LinuxPlanet, by Michael Hall,
Very true. Dell will not support a setup different from what it is from the factory. Infact, if you call with Win2k on your laptop, and they sold the system with Windows ME, they will not support it (for the obvious, although frustrating, reason that the user may have messed something up, so they can't support it). The Dell tech I talked to suggested that I make my system dual boot (which I was going to do anyway) so that I could go into ME if I needed help.
My experience with Dell was similar to Mr. Hall's.
Hmm... that's horrible. I've owned two Dells, helped close family and friends, a food bank, and my church buy Dells (a total of 8 PC's and notebooks) without any trouble. I have had my share of stupid technicians, but I've found most of them to be excellent (at least for PC technicians <g>).
.. Yes i believe we are more competant than the stupid people that actually call...
..You are an idiot.
If you had not made backups that is your own stupid fault and learn how to spell...
To the people who cannot read...
Woah. I can't believe that. I've never run into more than maybe 1 or 2 techs that weren't pleasant at Dell (and I've probably talked to Dell Technical Support upwards of 40-50 times). I'm curious, in your own experience, did they give you a hard time often (see footnote)?
So do you want to pay $2000+ for a laptop and then hear that kind of music from Dell support?
Not if that's what they are doing. I have to hope that this is the exception rather than the rule. Like I said, I've had very good success with them (especially with hardware failure - my monitor went out, and they had a new one to me in less than one day), and Consumer Reports rates them #1 in tech support. Perhaps those quotes were flukes? -Tim "perplexed about these quotes from Dell support reps" --- * Considering the quality of tech support that is. I've talked to way too many rude or not terribly bright people at HP. In fact, one threatened to hang up on me, since he didn't want to hear that my computer was networked - even though it was. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks tbutler@uninetsolutions.com ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Free/Open Source Web Tools: http://www.uninetsolutions.com Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com ============== "Christian Web Services Since 1996" ==============
On Wednesday 18 July 2001 10:45 pm, you wrote:
Woah. I can't believe that. I've never run into more than maybe 1 or 2 techs that weren't pleasant at Dell (and I've probably talked to Dell Technical Support upwards of 40-50 times). I'm curious, in your own experience, did they give you a hard time often.
I have a defective CDROM drive and tried to get Dell to replace it. As soon as they found out I was running Linux they cut off support. The point here is that if Mr. Daniloff buys yet another laptop, this time from Dell, and he has defective hardware, he is on his own. Basically, with Dell, you are screwed without a kiss. My advise is that he should buy a used Laptop from a local vendor. He should find out what used models are available from that store and then write in here and ask if anyone has SuSE installed and fully functional on that particular model. If he has a hardware problem, he can return it the store. No hassles with return authorization. On the other hand, if he tries to return a defective laptop to Dell, the support people will pass him around like a cheap bottle of wine amongst hobo's. -- Cheers, Jonathan
Hi Jonathan, I'm not so stupid to tell these butt head Dell or whatever technicians that I'm running Linux on their precious OEM products. When they ask me over the phone to troubleshoot the system my answer is "It's just not working" or "It's giving DSOD after every reboot". When I have to send them the system back for part replacement I generally simulate physical HD failure so they wouldn't know what it was running. I've done this three times already. Kill the enemy by his own weapon. On Wednesday 18 July 2001 09:52 pm, Jonathan Drews wrote:
On Wednesday 18 July 2001 10:45 pm, you wrote:
Woah. I can't believe that. I've never run into more than maybe 1 or 2 techs that weren't pleasant at Dell (and I've probably talked to Dell Technical Support upwards of 40-50 times). I'm curious, in your own experience, did they give you a hard time often.
I have a defective CDROM drive and tried to get Dell to replace it. As soon as they found out I was running Linux they cut off support. The point here is that if Mr. Daniloff buys yet another laptop, this time from Dell, and he has defective hardware, he is on his own. Basically, with Dell, you are screwed without a kiss.
My advise is that he should buy a used Laptop from a local vendor. He should find out what used models are available from that store and then write in here and ask if anyone has SuSE installed and fully functional on that particular model. If he has a hardware problem, he can return it the store. No hassles with return authorization. On the other hand, if he tries to return a defective laptop to Dell, the support people will pass him around like a cheap bottle of wine amongst hobo's.
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On Thursday 19 July 2001 12:14 am, you wrote:
Hi Jonathan, I'm not so stupid to tell these butt head Dell or whatever technicians that I'm running Linux on their precious OEM products. When they ask me over the phone to troubleshoot the system my answer is "It's just not working" or "It's giving DSOD after every reboot".
Hi Alex: The problem I had, and evidently Mr. Hall had too, is that they insist that you download their diagnostic utilities. These are for Microsoft. I could not get around that. I still think you should consider a used Laptop. 1) Most laptop's gets dropped; so why buy a new one if it is exposed to that hazard. I just think it is a risk to pay so much for a device that is prone to damage. 2) Chances are good that XFree86 will support older hardware better than the newer notebooks. -- Cheers, Jonathan
Hi Jonathan,
The problem I had, and evidently Mr. Hall had too, is that they insist that you download their diagnostic utilities. These are for Microsoft. I could not get around that.
It's rather pecular that they had you trying to download MS-Windows based utilites. Generally, I've found that Dell's utilities/diagnostics all run from a boot disk (with DOS on it). If you have the Dell diagnostics disk, it may be worth encouraging tech support to use that instead of what ever they want you to download... Admittedly, I too have found that the best way to get service from any technician is not to mention Linux (@Home technicians won't even talk to you if you are using Linux or have a router/firewall hooked up). I also have tried to learn what they will ask, so that often I can move them along in a direction I want and not waste time doing diagnostics (especially with @Home, but it works for Dell too). As I had mentioned, I had a terrible experience with HP and printer support. The technician that I was talking to - long distance, after a 45-60 minute wait - was trying to explain to me that since my computer was networked he was going to hang up on me. So, since then I've been very cautious about what I mention to the tech support person. :-)
I still think you should consider a used Laptop.
1) Most laptop's gets dropped; so why buy a new one if it is exposed to that hazard. I just think it is a risk to pay so much for a device that is prone to damage.
Probably not a bad idea, as long as you feel comfortable with the fact that someone else might not have been so kind to your new used laptop previously. Still for most uses you can shave off a few hundred dollars. Another option is to check out a company's refurbished offerings. In my dealings with Dell I've found that Dell Factory Outlet offers items for about 10% less - and generally these are items that have been returned after brief use, not end-of-life units (usually technology is behind only a few months in them). Generally refurb units also come with full warrantees rather than shorter 90 day or 1 year warrantees. I believe several other large PC companies offer similar refirbished services.
2) Chances are good that XFree86 will support older hardware better than the newer notebooks.
Very true. While not as important, it's a good idea to check a notebook's sound card for compatiblity too - many notebooks do not have Linux-friendly sound cards. I choose between two similar Dell models for my laptop when I found that one had better sound and video card support for Linux. -Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks tbutler@uninetsolutions.com ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Free/Open Source Web Tools: http://www.uninetsolutions.com Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com ============== "Christian Web Services Since 1996" ==============
I got a great picturebook installed with Linux from emporer Linux Also see www.affordablecomputers.com These guys has OUTSTANDING support. Ruben
On Thursday 19 July 2001 12:14 am, you wrote:
Hi Jonathan, I'm not so stupid to tell these butt head Dell or whatever technicians that I'm running Linux on their precious OEM products. When they ask me over the phone to troubleshoot the system my answer is "It's just not working" or "It's giving DSOD after every reboot".
Hi Alex:
The problem I had, and evidently Mr. Hall had too, is that they insist that you download their diagnostic utilities. These are for Microsoft. I could not get around that.
I still think you should consider a used Laptop.
1) Most laptop's gets dropped; so why buy a new one if it is exposed to that hazard. I just think it is a risk to pay so much for a device that is prone to damage.
2) Chances are good that XFree86 will support older hardware better than the newer notebooks. -- Cheers,
Jonathan
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Alex I have an IBM Thinkpad, T21 series, model 8BU47 with an Intel PIII and both versions 7.1 and 7.2 of SuSE work perfectly on it. Both installed without any difficulty at all. I also have an older Sony PCG-F360 notebook on which SuSE 7.2 is quite brilliant. I hope this helps Steve On Wednesday 18 July 2001 11:16 am, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please recommend me a good laptop brand/model with PIII/P4 or better AMD processor which is working with Linux for sure. I need to use it as my traveling development workstation. I already tried five laptops without any success. Thank you in advance.
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On Wednesday 18 July 2001 18:16, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please recommend me a good laptop brand/model with PIII/P4 or better AMD processor which is working with Linux for sure. I need to use it as my traveling development workstation. I already tried five laptops without any success. Thank you in advance. Alex
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I'm using a Toshiba Satellite 2805. The built in modem doesn't work (although there are some development drivers out there on the 'net I decided to save myself lots of paign and got a PCMCIA modem) Also the sound card isn't working although by all accounts it will work - I have spent 0 minutes trying to sort it out. If you are looking for a machine of this size then it is very nice. If you are after something very light and extremely portable then you should look elsewhere (but then again you will either end up spending a lot more money or getting something with a lower spec.). Jethro
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:16:06 -0700, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Hello Linux folkz, Could somebody please recommend me a good laptop brand/model with PIII/P4 or better AMD processor which is working with Linux for sure. I need to use it as my traveling development workstation. I already tried five laptops without any success. Thank you in advance. Alex
Hi Alex, I am using a Toshiba 2800DVD C302 with SuSE 7.2 I had to use the SuSE Bootdisk to initially load SuSE off of the DVD. YaST2 recognized and properly setup the video, sound card and integrated ethernet card. I have not yet tried the builtin modem. There is a report on www.linux-laptop.net about getting the modem to work with this model using SuSE 7.1 CPU is a PIII 700 so it should meet you minimum requirement. Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01 +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ For my public PGP key send email with subject: "Send_PGP_Key" +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
Ok Here I go , I recently bought 3 Abit KT7A-RAID Mobos from Ebay. I also bought 2 80gig IDE Hard drives for one. I was planning to make a RAID level 0 (striping). I set the hard drives up with the utilitiy that they provided and set the boot device to the first raid. I then booted into the install and it saw the two as 2 seperate hds, any ideas? Oh and I can't seem to make any of the video cards i have to work. one is the geforce 32meg the other is the geforce 64meg and the other is a ati rage 100? Thanks Brandon Caudle 15year old Unix/Linux/HP-UX/FreeBSD Admin Larkhaven Golf Course Charlotte, NC.
At 06:52 PM 7/30/01, you wrote:
Ok Here I go , I recently bought 3 Abit KT7A-RAID Mobos from Ebay. I also bought 2 80gig IDE Hard drives for one. I was planning to make a RAID level 0 (striping). I set the hard drives up with the utilitiy that they provided and set the boot device to the first raid. I then booted into the install and it saw the two as 2 seperate hds, any ideas? Oh and I can't seem to make any of the video cards i have to work. one is the geforce 32meg the other is the geforce 64meg and the other is a ati rage 100?
Does that board have a High Point HPT370 Raid Controller, than the answer is that there is no support/drivers for this controller at this time. I have the same problem I got the Epox EP-8K7A+ with the HPT370 Controller set it up last night with 2 new Maxtor 20GB HDD's. Now I'm just very disappointed. The High Point Tech web site says on their home page that the controller is supported under all Linux distro's. However, after some investigation I found that it only supports it as standard IDE controller. There is a patch on there web site for it. I also found out that if you want the Raid 1 0 than your choses are NetBSD, FreeBSD, or the windows. :-( Moral: Read the fine print. Sincerely, Bruce Harding Manager: Computer Books For Less Manager of Procurements: Computer Supply House 105 O'Connor Street Ottawa ON K1P 5M8 Canada Phone: 613-233-7418 Fax: 613-233-6823 http://www.computerbooksforless.com
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