On Friday 10 November 2006 23:02, Basil Chupin wrote:

So what's happened since "we" got migrated?

I'm guessing Henne hasn't had time to figure all the new stuff out while migrating all the lists. As I understand it, its new hardware, and a different list server. He's a busy guy. Plus having to run the list on Windows Server 2003 is probably irksome. <kidding> -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 23:14 -0900, John Andersen wrote:

On Friday 10 November 2006 23:02, Basil Chupin wrote:

...

So what's happened since "we" got migrated?

I'm guessing Henne hasn't had time to figure all the new stuff out while migrating all the lists.

As I understand it, its new hardware, and a different list server. He's a busy guy.

Plus having to run the list on Windows Server 2003 is probably irksome.

<kidding>

Running our list on windows would be blasphemy. BTW why would Suse drop Reiser just because the inventor is in jail. Can't development continue without him? -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 14:11 -0600, Peter Van Lone wrote:

On 11/13/06, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:

...

BTW why would Suse drop Reiser just because the inventor is in jail. Can't development continue without him?

from what I understand the community was very small, and very tightly controlled by his fanatical approach and demands. In other words, there was not broad community support or participation. If he is gone, the project is mostly gone.

That is not to say that, once the dust settles, others might pick it up.

So keep it as it is and don't upgrade it. Certainly that much of the project is licensed and distributed. I would hate to find 10.2 would disallow my /home which is Reiser, 3.x I think. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:

On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 23:14 -0900, John Andersen wrote:

...

On Friday 10 November 2006 23:02, Basil Chupin wrote:

...

So what's happened since "we" got migrated?

I'm guessing Henne hasn't had time to figure all the new stuff out while migrating all the lists.

As I understand it, its new hardware, and a different list server. He's a busy guy.

Plus having to run the list on Windows Server 2003 is probably irksome.

<kidding>

Running our list on windows would be blasphemy.

BTW why would Suse drop Reiser just because the inventor is in jail. Can't development continue without him?

He'd certainly have some time on his hands. ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

As I understand it reiser-3 was abandoned by Hans in so he could work on reiser-4 only. For him, there was no return. All bug fixes would only be applied to reiser-4. The kernel people completely rejected the way reiser-4 was done and Hans was not going to change it to conform to what the kernel people required. So reiser-4 will never be in kernel. Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at some time because no one is maintaining the code. This all would have happened no matter what happened to Hans unless he reworked reiser-4. Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 00:37, Mark Hounschell wrote:

...

Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at some time because no one is maintaining the code.

Does it need a lot of maintenance? Lots of bugs stacking up?

There have been bug fixes to reiser-3 that only went into reiser-4. If you need the fix you have to use 4. Also, when a kernel change happens that requires a change to the reiser code as well, who is going to make that change? Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anders Johansson wrote:

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:02, Mark Hounschell wrote:

...

Also, when a kernel change happens that requires a change to the reiser code as well, who is going to make that change?

I think you misunderstand the benefits of having your module in the mainline tree: you don't have to do all the work yourself. Many changes are made by other people

I think your understanding of the benefits of having your module in the mainline kernel may be slightly delusional. Just because your module is in the kernel doesn't mean that everyone else or even anyone else is going to understand the code enough to be able make arbitrary changes that may be required. Abandoned kernel code gets removed eventually. If someone steps up to maintain it thats another story. Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 04:37:23AM -0500, Mark Hounschell wrote:

As I understand it reiser-3 was abandoned by Hans in so he could work on reiser-4 only. For him, there was no return. All bug fixes would only be applied to reiser-4. The kernel people completely rejected the way reiser-4 was done and Hans was not going to change it to conform to what the kernel people required. So reiser-4 will never be in kernel. Reiser-3 will most likely be removed at some time because no one is maintaining the code. This all would have happened no matter what happened to Hans unless he reworked reiser-4.

Well, the books are not closed on reiser4 and mainline acceptance. It just might take some time. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 10:51, Luciano Mannucci wrote:

So far, so good. Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines that have been installed with ReiserFs? I did it with one and it was not precisely straightforward.... Just a simple HowTo would be helpfull enough.

Backup re-format restore mount and edit fstab reinstall grub (if you don't have a separate /boot, since the location of the secondary stages changed) reboot what else? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2006-11-14 04:37, Luciano Mannucci wrote:

<snip> Ext3 is not loaded in the kernel at boot time. Then edit INITRD_MODULES in /etc/sysconfig/kernel/ and run mkinitrd.

-- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 02:40, jdd wrote:

better wait any hardware change and use ext3 on new formatted partition.

for now there no instruction from openSUSE/Novell to make a switch, so we can hope a very long maintenance cycle

jdd

Exactly: IINBDFI. If its Not Broke, Don't Fix it. New installs should go to ext3, but there is no reason to change anything. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:53, Thomas Hertweck wrote:

John Andersen wrote:

...

[...]

New installs should go to ext3, but there is no reason to change anything.

Well, I think there are better FS available than ext3. It might be a good 'conservative' choice though.

What would the better choice(s) be? I've been running Reiser since installing 9.1, and don't really know anything different. I've read about EXT2/3 and JFS and XFS, but don't know which would be better or worse than what I've got now running on my general purpose workstations. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte wrote:

[...]

What would the better choice(s) be? I've been running Reiser since installing 9.1, and don't really know anything different.

I've read about EXT2/3 and JFS and XFS, but don't know which would be better or worse than what I've got now running on my general purpose workstations.

The answer is: 42. Well, it depends. I haven't seen a filesystem that is ideal in all circumstances. We have very large filesystems and very large files and have made positive experiences with xfs. ext3 was rather slow... However, for your general purpose home PC or workstation with a 300GB disk, it might not make a big difference (or in other words, it does not really matter ;-)). Cheers, Th. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:17:17 +0000 Matthew Stringer wrote:

...

Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines that have been installed with ReiserFs?

Why would you want to do that? Just because 10.2 uses EXT3 as the default FS doesn't mean your existing machines are in danger of becoming out of support any time soon? Well, if hou have a bunch of machines that you maintain and you add a new one once every couple of months, you may wish (just wish :) to deal with the same kind of root filesystem on every computer.

Cheers again, luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.mannucci.ORG/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 04:51, Luciano Mannucci wrote:

Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines that have been installed with ReiserFs?

Here is how I made the switch: 1. Backup data 2. mkfs.ext3 3. Restore data Bryan *************************************** Powered by Kubuntu Linux 6.06 KDE 3.5.2 KMail 1.9.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net *************************************** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:04:11 -0500 "Bryan S. Tyson" wrote:

...

Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines that have been installed with ReiserFs?

Here is how I made the switch:

1. Backup data 2. mkfs.ext3 3. Restore data You're lucky.

My mileage has been a bit longer: 1 - Backup the data. 2 - restart from installation CD (remember: it's the root filesystem) 3 - mkfs.ext3 and mount the partition under /mnt 4 - Restore data and edit /mnt/etc/fstab 5 - Try to reboot and get "cannot mount root filesystem" 6 - Reboot from installation CD. 7 - Mount the partition 8 - chroot /mnt 9 - launch mkinitrd && lilo 10 - Try to reboot and get "cannot mount" error again (Once intalled, the system changes kernel version at the first update, so mkinitrd from the CD does'nt do the right thing) 11 - redo point 2 for the third time 12 - remount partition && chroot /mnt again 13 - edit /sbin/mkinitrd to make it do the right thing (it's a shell script) 14 - launch it && lilo again. 15 - reboot. luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.mannucci.ORG/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 14:55 +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:04:11 -0500 "Bryan S. Tyson" wrote:

...

...

Would'nt it be nice to have a path to switch to ext3 the machines that have been installed with ReiserFs?

Here is how I made the switch:

1. Backup data 2. mkfs.ext3 3. Restore data You're lucky.

My mileage has been a bit longer:

1 - Backup the data. 2 - restart from installation CD (remember: it's the root filesystem) 3 - mkfs.ext3 and mount the partition under /mnt 4 - Restore data and edit /mnt/etc/fstab 5 - Try to reboot and get "cannot mount root filesystem" 6 - Reboot from installation CD. 7 - Mount the partition 8 - chroot /mnt 9 - launch mkinitrd && lilo 10 - Try to reboot and get "cannot mount" error again (Once intalled, the system changes kernel version at the first update, so mkinitrd from the CD does'nt do the right thing) 11 - redo point 2 for the third time 12 - remount partition && chroot /mnt again 13 - edit /sbin/mkinitrd to make it do the right thing (it's a shell script) 14 - launch it && lilo again. 15 - reboot.

luciano.

This has me curious about one thing. Would it not be possible to create the required root partition and rsync the data back onto it, from a removable media or mounted .iso image? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 01:47 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

The Wednesday 2006-11-15 at 17:54 -0500, Mike McMullin wrote:

...

This has me curious about one thing. Would it not be possible to create the required root partition and rsync the data back onto it, from a removable media or mounted .iso image?

Why not?

I must confess that I was late in reading the thread, but from the solution posted in the article that I responded to, I thought there might be an easier way of doing the migration. I'm planning on a hard drive upgrade, and I may migrate from Reiser to EXT3 if it is as robust as I've found Reiser to be. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2006-11-11 01:46, Peter Nikolic wrote:

What is with all this darn HTML formatted crap hey people this is NOT WINDBLOWS cut the HTML scribble and get back tp proper PLAINT text emails Sheeeeeeeesssssssssssseeeeee .. Your reply reminds me of all the times I have scrolled through endless screensful of quotes, just to arrive at an "I agree" at the end.

It was hardly necessary to quote it all -- a simple snide remark about deleted material, such as I am giving to you now, would have been more than sufficient. - 30 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 13 November 2006 20:09, Peter Van Lone wrote:

On 11/11/06, Peter Nikolic wrote: <tons of bullcrap trimmed>

...

What is with all this darn HTML formatted crap hey people this is NOT WINDBLOWS cut the HTML scribble and get back tp proper PLAINT text emails Sheeeeeeeesssssssssssseeeeee ..

and how about trimming the crap from replies before you send?

I get "bottom posting" and "in line" posting, mostly ... but as I access these emails very often from a mobile device, having 100 or more lines of useless junk to scroll past before I get to a reply is .... a waste of my time and bandwidth. It is a waste of time on a "regular" device, as well ... but ever worse on a mobile.

Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Toche sunny ...... PLONKED --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org