On Wed, December 24, 2008 13:21, Clayton wrote:

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The bad thing for me was that strigi is enabled by default. I disabled it in Configure Desktop -> Advanced -> Nepomuk. Then I uninstalled strigi.

I'm not going to report this somewhere as a bug, because then I'll have the userfriendly police on my back.

Just to say.. you're not alone.

The performance hit I get from Neopomuk is astounding/shocking. Beagle is not as bad anymore.. it actually is fairly well behaved, and the devs have done a good job taming that monster. Under normal use, you probably won't even notice Beagle there anymore... probably :-)

I have nothing against there being desktop search tools.. some poeple need them (I know of one person in particular who cannot function without Beagle because they are so disorganized).. but for me, I have no use them. I wish they were more optional so that people can chose to install if they find it useful.... ie on install you're asked if you want them or something similar.

I also have nothing against desktop search tools (I use one at work on my 'doze box) - as long as *I* have the final decision. But having a good directory structure for your documents can limit my search for a document to a few tens or in very rare cases a few hundreds of documents. For so few documents, I prefer grep. It works, it's proven technology, and it's fast. -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Rob OpenSuSE wrote:

Perhaps something that's more intelligent, about building it's indexes. If it's never used, why carry on doing them everyday? Perhaps first time you start up a desktop, you could be asked, if you plan to use desktop search : often, rarely or never.

Agreed. In the DoZe world, I'm constantly seeing google desktop et al installed and never used. People just dont' uncheck it when they install something. I have no reason for a search tool either. Most of my data is structured so that I only need to do a couple of clicks to get to it. If I do need to search for a file name, Midnight Commander is just a console away. I had noticed that neopunk thing when I did an install of the KDE4 live cd. It looked like it crashed, but I didn't have any idea what it was. Will have to add that one to my black list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, December 25, 2008 01:26, Anton Aylward wrote:

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I had noticed that neopunk thing when I did an install of the KDE4 live cd. It looked like it crashed, but I didn't have any idea what it was. Will have to add that one to my black list.

and there no way to _completely_ get rid of - I like that name! - neopunk.

John of Nepomuk

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search John of Nepomuk

Statue of John of Nepomuk on Charles Bridge, Prague Martyr Born c.1345, Nepomuk Died March 20, 1393, Prague Beatified May 31, 1721 Canonized March 19, 1729 by Benedict XIII Feast May 16 Attributes halo of five stars, palm, priestly dress, cross, angel indicating silence by a finger over the lips Patronage Bohemia John of Nepomuk or John Nepomucene (Czech: Jan Nepomucký) (c.1345 – March 20, 1393)[1] is a national saint of the Czech Republic, who was drowned in the Vltava river at the behest of Wenceslaus, King of the Romans and King of Bohemia. Later accounts state that he was the confessor of the queen of Bohemia and refused to divulge the secrets of the confessional. On the basis of this account, John of Nepomuk is considered the first martyr of the Seal of the Confessional, a patron against calumnies and, because of the manner of his death, a protector from floods. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Nepomuk So, he's a protector from floods? Well, he didn't protect me from a flooded cpu... -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

2008/12/25 Rajko M. :

On Thursday 25 December 2008 05:59:18 am Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

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Later accounts state that he was the confessor of the queen of Bohemia and refused to divulge the secrets of the confessional. On the basis of this account, John of Nepomuk is considered the first martyr of the Seal of the Confessional, a patron against calumnies and, because of the manner of his death, a protector from floods. [1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Nepomuk

So, he's a protector from floods? Well, he didn't protect me from a flooded cpu...

He will if you have fluid cooling.

On the other hand it will not reveal what your CPU has to confess, no matter what.

That is an interesting point. What exploits are there in nepomuk that might let an attacker know the contents of your files? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü

Am Montag, 5. Januar 2009 14:32:07 schrieb Will Stephenson:

If you do want to keep it around, the sesame backend is much faster than the redland one. I admit that in 4.1 nepomuk is largely interesting to experimenters - only Dolphin is really making use of it with its rating and tagging system - but it is becoming increasingly widespread, expect it to mature as the derg has done.

Have a look at https://bugzilla.novell.com:443/show_bug.cgi?id=461599 though when using sesame. Redland is really super slow! Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rob OpenSuSE wrote:

2008/12/24 Clayton :

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I have nothing against there being desktop search tools.. some poeple need them (I know of one person in particular who cannot function without Beagle because they are so disorganized).. but for me, I have no use them. I wish they were more optional so that people can chose to install if they find it useful.... ie on install you're asked if you want them or something similar.

Perhaps something that's more intelligent, about building it's indexes. If it's never used, why carry on doing them everyday? Perhaps first time you start up a desktop, you could be asked, if you plan to use desktop search : often, rarely or never.

Why this thing is running while users are active is the big question. Why not tie it to the screen saver, or some other user activity aware method to keep the dog and the dog version 2 at bay while the user is anywhere near the computer? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 25 December 2008 6:24:14 am Dotan Cohen wrote:

2008/12/24 Amedee Van Gasse :

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I have a performance tip that I would like to share.

I noticed that something called nepomuk was eating 80% of my cpu, and it was also eating a lot of ram. Nepomuk is (as far as google can tell me) a backend for the strigi desktop search.

If you're a bit like me, you have no use for a frakkin' desktop search like strigi or beagle. All my data is well organized. Read about "Inbox Zero" and "The Hamster Revolution" - everything about organizing email can also be applied to every other kind of user data.

The bad thing for me was that strigi is enabled by default. I disabled it in Configure Desktop -> Advanced -> Nepomuk. Then I uninstalled strigi.

I'm not going to report this somewhere as a bug, because then I'll have the userfriendly police on my back.

Imho the ubiquitous usage of desktop search is a Bad Thing(tm). It's like a junior DBA who has read his first book about database optimization and says, hey let's just index everything! While the *real* DBA knows that a well designed database is a better and faster database. You don't index everything, you just index where you need it and where it's useful. Same thing about desktop search, I don't want it to index my /home.

The general idea with most software today (Open Office is another culprit in this area with Auto-everything enabled by default) is to have all the features enabled, so that noobs can discover them. The thinking is that the experienced users or those who do _not_ want the features will know to turn them off if need be, rather than those who may need the feature would know to turn it on. My two cents. Sounds like MS or Apple to me. Developers know what users want without asking. So turn things off, provide good, up to date documentation and let the user decide.

Today, we cannot trust the default settings of our software. We must become expert users of every component of every application that we use, lest there be some resource-intensive and unnecessary feature enabled so that we won't miss it. Don't want to learn the ins and outs of every line of code on your system? Then buy a faster proccesser and more memory, and be sure to reset the machine every night.

-- Russ Registered Linux User #441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Amedee Van Gasse [12-25-08 14:33]:

Meanwhile, the silent small majority of "average" users who just want to get their work done, are completely left on their own. We're too smart to use a dumbified "wizzerd", but too stupid to write our own kernel from scratch.

Silent? Majority? Average? Smart? Wizzerd? Too high? Too low? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, December 25, 2008 21:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Amedee Van Gasse [12-25-08 14:33]:

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Meanwhile, the silent small majority of "average" users who just want to get their work done, are completely left on their own. We're too smart to use a dumbified "wizzerd", but too stupid to write our own kernel from scratch.

Silent?

Majority?

Average?

Smart?

Wizzerd?

Too high?

Too low?

OK, I know that I'm not a native English speaker. It is only my third language, after Dutch and French. It can happen that not everybody understand me. But now it's difficult for me to understand someone with an Irish-sounding name from Plainfield, Indiana, USA. Is it just me or is it something cultural? I really don't understand you. -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 00:30 +0100, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

OK, I know that I'm not a native English speaker. It is only my third language, after Dutch and French. It can happen that not everybody understand me. But now it's difficult for me to understand someone with an Irish-sounding name from Plainfield, Indiana, USA. Is it just me or is it something cultural? I really don't understand you.

Any reason you sent this 3 times? -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, December 26, 2008 00:37, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:

On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 00:30 +0100, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

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OK, I know that I'm not a native English speaker. It is only my third language, after Dutch and French. It can happen that not everybody understand me. But now it's difficult for me to understand someone with an Irish-sounding name from Plainfield, Indiana, USA. Is it just me or is it something cultural? I really don't understand you.

Any reason you sent this 3 times?

Yes, Squirrelmail coughed and died while I tried to send the mail the first two times. -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org