[opensuse] Sending FAX
'Learn something all time time with Linux. ;) I started to look for a decent GUI FAX application that will send FAXs via a FAX/Modem and am amazed that there's nothing to be had.....unless it's a halafax client, which I haven't loaded yet. Any ideas? Thanks, Fred -- This message originated from a Linux computer using Open Source software: openSuSE Linux 10.2. No Gates, no Windows....just Linux - STABLE & SECURE! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 04:38 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Learn something all time time with Linux. ;) I started to look for a decent GUI FAX application that will send FAXs via a FAX/Modem and am amazed that there's nothing to be had.....unless it's a halafax client, which I haven't loaded yet. Any ideas?
Yep: HylaFAX. :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG+4RatTMYHG2NR9URAt5/AJ4hTj/evcTvZ9sfE5kZzgCbCenq2wCdG97H kRcdket3ug8f4ds0PsoE77Q= =MdT7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Learn something all time time with Linux. ;) I started to look for a decent GUI FAX application that will send FAXs via a FAX/Modem and am amazed that there's nothing to be had.....unless it's a halafax client, which I haven't loaded yet. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Fred
Faxes are so 20th century. ;-) Actually, if you're running KDE, you might want to look into KDEprintfax. I used to use that, but I no longer use fax. I generally email a PDF these days. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Faxes are so 20th century. ;-)
You are fortunate to think that.
Actually, if you're running KDE, you might want to look into KDEprintfax. I used to use that, but I no longer use fax. I generally email a PDF these days.
I know of many businesses here that do not have email, but they do have a fax. And it costs me nothing, anyway. And fax is a legal document, whereas an email is not. [ *** OT rant *** ] Example: Here (Spain) there are many telephone and ISP companies. Contracting is easy, over a phone. Cancelling the contract is difficult, even imposible: they ignore it and continue charging your bank. The instructions include sending a fax with the cancelling order on it, but they ignore it too. Email, if possible at all, is ignored: they deny having received it. The official solution is to send a "burofax" to the company: a fax sent from the Post Office, with an stamped receipt, which is valid in court. With that paper, the bank rescinds the orders without fear of retaliation from the companies (yes: if you order the bank not to pay, the company can sue you or put you directly in a black list and then you are denied credit and things like that). There is no way to send an officially signed email which reception can not be denied or that can be accepted in court as a "real" communication that took place. Sad, but true. It is in fact dificult to send an email an certify its receipt... even for geeks. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG+5ZrtTMYHG2NR9URAqSIAKCGk+WuicRTAJtWTGAdiWTGafxJawCfUJv8 4liSy9+w88IH6L9QAKlCdqE= =pMD3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Faxes are so 20th century. ;-)
You are fortunate to think that.
Actually, if you're running KDE, you might want to look into KDEprintfax. I used to use that, but I no longer use fax. I generally email a PDF these days.
I know of many businesses here that do not have email, but they do have a fax. And it costs me nothing, anyway.
And fax is a legal document, whereas an email is not.
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Example:
Here (Spain) there are many telephone and ISP companies. Contracting is easy, over a phone. Cancelling the contract is difficult, even imposible: they ignore it and continue charging your bank. The instructions include sending a fax with the cancelling order on it, but they ignore it too. Email, if possible at all, is ignored: they deny having received it.
The official solution is to send a "burofax" to the company: a fax sent from the Post Office, with an stamped receipt, which is valid in court. With that paper, the bank rescinds the orders without fear of retaliation from the companies (yes: if you order the bank not to pay, the company can sue you or put you directly in a black list and then you are denied credit and things like that).
There is no way to send an officially signed email which reception can not be denied or that can be accepted in court as a "real" communication that took place. Sad, but true.
It is in fact dificult to send an email an certify its receipt... even for geeks.
Actually, in some countries, such as Canada, a digitally signed email is legally valid. While I don't know about email, a registered letter sent to the recipient is considered delivered, even if they choose not to accept it. As for faxes, who's to say it didn't "accidentally" wind up in the shredder. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sep 27 2007 10:36, James Knott wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I know of many businesses here that do not have email, but they do have a fax. And it costs me nothing, anyway.
Well every company that still has a typical printout fax should think again. Believe it or not, fax spam does exist, and it just eats your ink.
And fax is a legal document, whereas an email is not.
Emails are, to some extent. Otherwise I do not think they could have been used in the Microsoft/Gates hearing in fall 1998. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 September 2007 07:47, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Sep 27 2007 10:36, James Knott wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I know of many businesses here that do not have email, but they do have a fax. And it costs me nothing, anyway.
Well every company that still has a typical printout fax should think again. Believe it or not, fax spam does exist, and it just eats your ink.
My secretary gets between 50 and 100 spam faxes a day
And fax is a legal document, whereas an email is not.
Emails are, to some extent. Otherwise I do not think they could have been used in the Microsoft/Gates hearing in fall 1998.
Yes. In one of the lawsuits I'm involved in, we went back and forth with the judge as to whether we need to include emails in a discovery request since they are considered legal documents. ATM, we've decided to hold off unless they specifically request emails or subpoena our email databases. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Sep 27 2007 10:36, James Knott wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I know of many businesses here that do not have email, but they do have a fax. And it costs me nothing, anyway.
Well every company that still has a typical printout fax should think again. Believe it or not, fax spam does exist, and it just eats your ink.
At least in Texas there is a unsolicited fax protection law that allows for the recovery of ink at the rate of $100/per unsolicited fax........ If someone is getting 30-50 per day, and we can get venue,............ -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Sep 27 2007 10:36, James Knott wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I know of many businesses here that do not have email, but they do have a fax. And it costs me nothing, anyway.
Well every company that still has a typical printout fax should think again. Believe it or not, fax spam does exist, and it just eats your ink.
At least in Texas there is a unsolicited fax protection law that allows for the recovery of ink at the rate of $100/per unsolicited fax........
I guess they assume everyone buys their ink from Epson. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 September 2007 14:38, James Knott wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Sep 27 2007 10:36, James Knott wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
I know of many businesses here that do not have email, but they do have a fax. And it costs me nothing, anyway.
Well every company that still has a typical printout fax should think again. Believe it or not, fax spam does exist, and it just eats your ink.
At least in Texas there is a unsolicited fax protection law that allows for the recovery of ink at the rate of $100/per unsolicited fax........
I guess they assume everyone buys their ink from Epson. ;-)
The outfit I worked with had a _lot_ of FAX machines, and a _lot_ of spam, and we had HP machines. For once, I don't think the spammers are in cahoots with the "ink" companies. I'm really surprised that the FCC hasn't taken action against this, but maybe when Hilary is elected, they will. --doug
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Doug McGarrett wrote:
The outfit I worked with had a _lot_ of FAX machines, and a _lot_ of spam, and we had HP machines. For once, I don't think the spammers are in cahoots with the "ink" companies. I'm really surprised that the FCC hasn't taken action against this, but maybe when Hilary is elected, they will.
I wonder if you could block the numbers. However, you could use HylaFAX as a fax server, that first saves all faxes to disk. A human could scan the faxes, then print only the good ones. Of course, this bypasses the assumption that all faxes are printed, but... -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 10:36 -0400, James Knott wrote:
It is in fact dificult to send an email an certify its receipt... even for geeks.
Actually, in some countries, such as Canada, a digitally signed email is legally valid.
If received. That's the trick.
While I don't know about email, a registered letter sent to the recipient is considered delivered, even if they choose not to accept it.
Exactly.
As for faxes, who's to say it didn't "accidentally" wind up in the shredder. ;-)
Yep, but that's the recipient fault. It is considered received, even if later destroyed. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG+9nNtTMYHG2NR9URAkvxAJ9BCtkNGCxpJnv7GjoZl6Ri8PpfngCdFWDu llQkdnFYs8vRLMFsOx0BpGw= =4upo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 07:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Faxes are so 20th century. ;-)
You are fortunate to think that.
Actually, if you're running KDE, you might want to look into KDEprintfax. I used to use that, but I no longer use fax. I generally email a PDF these days.
I know of many businesses here that do not have email, but they do have a fax. And it costs me nothing, anyway.
And fax is a legal document, whereas an email is not.
I though that in England and Wales a faxed document has the same legal status as a photocopied document (i.e none), as it is not the original signed document. However, curiosity brought me to this article... http://www.qsweek.com/nav?page=qsweek.contentspage&fixture_page=5330229&resource=5330229&view_resource=5330229 Which basically says that under English Law that if it is received but not processed it is the person who received the document that is at fault.. Even more intriguing is the position with e-Mail discussed ... Different legislations, different rules.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-27 at 16:07 +0100, G T Smith wrote:
I though that in England and Wales a faxed document has the same legal status as a photocopied document (i.e none), as it is not the original signed document.
Right.
However, curiosity brought me to this article...
Which basically says that under English Law that if it is received but not processed it is the person who received the document that is at fault.. Even more intriguing is the position with e-Mail discussed ...
Exactly.
Different legislations, different rules.
I think it is similar in Spain. The thing is, to demonstrate the fax has been sent, we pay the post office to send the fax, so they send and witness it. With email... I can't see how to do that, there is no way to prove, from the sender side, that it has even reached the destination machine. It can break in so many ways... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG+9k/tTMYHG2NR9URAtEmAJ4xv4/GGH1P/Nu1xIDeewQMGIZH6ACfS8/6 +VBfakE8EXdbj01CvfdPG0g= =T6Uf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 27 September 2007 07:19, James Knott wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Learn something all time time with Linux. ;) I started to look for a decent GUI FAX application that will send FAXs via a FAX/Modem and am amazed that there's nothing to be had.....unless it's a halafax client, which I haven't loaded yet. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Fred
Faxes are so 20th century. ;-)
I agree, but if you want to send something to a doctor's office or a hospital, you probably have no choice. Also, if you have some kind of legal document with a signature on it, (including copies of a processed check) you probably need FAX. If you need FAX only seldom, your local public library or drugstore may have the facility, for a small fee, probably under $1.00, at a guess. --doug
Actually, if you're running KDE, you might want to look into KDEprintfax. I used to use that, but I no longer use fax. I generally email a PDF these days.
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On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 04:38 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Learn something all time time with Linux. ;) I started to look for a decent GUI FAX application that will send FAXs via a FAX/Modem and am amazed that there's nothing to be had.....unless it's a halafax client, which I haven't loaded yet. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Fred, I use faxes often (not by choice :-)). I use efax. The following is a thread where a help another user to setup efax. There you will find all the steps I took to do it. In that thread I am "terryxela" http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=533654 Ciao. -=terry(Denver)=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 04:38 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Learn something all time time with Linux. ;) I started to look for a decent GUI FAX application that will send FAXs via a FAX/Modem and am amazed that there's nothing to be had.....unless it's a halafax client, which I haven't loaded yet. Any ideas?
Jhylafax was the best that I found. I don't think that you can find SuSEFax anywhere these days. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Fred A. Miller wrote:
'Learn something all time time with Linux. ;) I started to look for a decent GUI FAX application that will send FAXs via a FAX/Modem and am amazed that there's nothing to be had.....unless it's a halafax client, which I haven't loaded yet. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Fred
As mentioned by others kprinter will do it out of the box........ -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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