On 21/01/2016 09:44, Damian Ivanov wrote:

Hi, just go onto the skype page and download openSUSE:12.1 i586 rpm and install it. Works on 64bit and 32 bit. That's all. Not in repos due to license. Thanks, maybe I'll get skype to offer other rpms for openSUSE after I've finished my daughter' install.

Dave P

2016-01-21 8:25 GMT+01:00 Dave Plater :

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Hi, my daughter has an online job and her windows vista has died to the point where it needs an install disk to fix, her boyfriend did something wrong. So daddy's going to install Leap:42.1, which I've already run from another disk on her computer in the past so I know it works. One thing that she needs that is missing is skype. I need to get this setup this morning as she's already missed a couple of days of work. I've looked around, skype offers an openSUSE:12.1 i586 rpm - no good for x86_64, Ubuntu / Debian have the latest x86_64/x86 versions. I found a couple of packages in obs home repos and one home repo in PMBS (packman obs). I copied and updated the PMBS package with the latest skype-4.3.0.37.tar.bz2 in my PMBS home repo and there doesn't seem to be a problem so I can't understand why nobody in openSUSE bothers with skype. Is there a working, easy to setup with an existing skype account, alternative? Thanks Dave Plater

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On 01/21/2016 03:48 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:25:14 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

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Is there a working, easy to setup with an existing skype account, alternative?

I'm running that version of Skype on my 64-bit openSUSE 13.2 system here:

I always follow the instructions on this page: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Skype. I have done this on each new installation since 12.1 (I think that's when they started it), and it works great. When you download skype, it doesn't have one labeled for 42.1, but the latest version is what you are supposed to use and it works for 42.1. You have to make sure you create and use the wrapper script as described on that page in order for skype to work correctly. -- George Box #1: 42.1 | KDE Plasma 5 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Box #2: 13.1 | KDE 4.12 | AMD Athlon X3 | 64 | 4GB Laptop #1: 13.1 | KDE 4.12 | Core i7-2620M | 64 | 8GB Laptop #2: 42.1 | KDE Plasma 5 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 21/01/2016 10:39, Carl Hartung wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:05:10 +0800 tech@reachthetribes.org tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:

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I always follow the instructions on this page: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Skype. I have done this on each new installation since 12.1 (I think that's when they started it), and it works great. When you download skype, it doesn't have one labeled for 42.1, but the latest version is what you are supposed to use and it works for 42.1.

You have to make sure you create and use the wrapper script as described on that page in order for skype to work correctly. Hmmm ... I don't have complete confidence in the contents on that page.

It says, in part:

"Wrapper script

(Note: The below script should NOT be required with a recent Skype version)."

The latest version on my system didn't require that script.

There are also some possibly inaccurate / obsolete instructions there showing the use of 'sudo zypper' to install some packages which should, I believe, already be installed by default (pulseaudio being one of them.)

I believe all I did was the following:

- downloaded the '12.1' 32-bit version - used 'zypper in' to install it - invoked skype from the command line to check for errors - it launched and ran fine, but I'd already installed certain 32-bit dependencies for a previous version I've built a local x86_64 rpm, the package I copied already had the correct 32 bit requires, works on my box but I don't have a skype account to check properly. It's contents look the same as the 12.1 one on skypes web site.

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Hallo Carlos E. R., op 21-01-16 om 15:44 schreef je:

On 01/21/2016 03:37 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 01/21/2016 02:25 AM, Dave Plater wrote:

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[snip] alternative?

I've nothing against skype in principle. There's a copy of it on my old laptop. was on an earlier version of suse, and on my cell phone. I just don't seem to use it any more.

It really depends on what your correspondents have. I have both.

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What I seem to be using these days is Google Hangout on my phone and tablet. I'm aware there is a web version of it as well. I've tried that. Downside is that you need a gmail account.

Which you have already, if you have an Android phone.

One does *not* need a *gmail* account. A *Google account* will do. (Mine is: harriebaken@tekstbaken.nl.)

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So it seems an issue of one "evil empire" vs another :-)

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Indeed. + Apple crooks. So let's make Linux great & big! Harrie -- Harrie Baken | Tekstbureau TekstBaken Copy-editing - proofreading (Dutch) www.tekstbaken.nl Registered Linux user #366560 | openSUSE 13.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hallo Anton Aylward, op 21-01-16 om 16:47 schreef je:

On 01/21/2016 10:00 AM, Harrie Baken wrote:

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Downside is that you need a gmail account.

Which you have already, if you have an Android phone.

One does *not* need a *gmail* account. A *Google account* will do. (Mine is: harriebaken@tekstbaken.nl.)

I have a number of my own domains. When I got the phone I tried setting that up with google (as opposed to Samsung, who were quite happy to accept various "@antonaylward.com" addresses). Google took the "proper name" ("Anton Aylward"), donwshifted the "A" to "a", inserted a period and appended a "@gmail.com" and there was nothing I could do about it.

Nothing, I tell, you, NOTHING!

https://accounts.google.com/SignUpWithoutGmail Don't let Google fuck with you.

I didn't like it, I fought it. But I was stuck with it.

The crazy thing is that I already had TWO other addresses that I use with G+! Both of those use domains I own. I'm still struggling to find out if I can use either of those with hangouts. So far, hangouts insists on me using the "@gmail.com" address.

Hm.. for all that G-stuff I use my own mail address. So it /is/ possible.

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So it seems an issue of one "evil empire" vs another :-)

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Indeed. + Apple crooks. So let's make Linux great & big!

Err, perhaps you should look at which firms make the greatest contribution to the Linux code base. (Hint: it isn't Apple)

I bet it's God Google. But I don't care (much). *All* corporations eventually have just one goal: profits. Therefore one (we, the FOSS people) never can trust them completely. The community is what counts in the end. Harrie -- Harrie Baken | Tekstbureau TekstBaken Copy-editing - proofreading (Dutch) www.tekstbaken.nl Registered Linux user #366560 | openSUSE 13.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/21/2016 06:37 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 01/21/2016 02:25 AM, Dave Plater wrote:

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[snip] alternative?

I've nothing against skype in principle. There's a copy of it on my old laptop. was on an earlier version of suse, and on my cell phone. I just don't seem to use it any more.

I used to like skype, but then they sold it for crazy money to EBay who were incompetent, and then the NSA paid Microsoft to buy it fore even more crazy money, and now it is just a spy conduit direct to the government. Every connection is set up through microsoft's servers and if you are, or you call someone that the government is interested it your whole connection goes gets recorded.

What I seem to be using these days is Google Hangout on my phone and tablet. I'm aware there is a web version of it as well. I've tried that. Downside is that you need a gmail account.

I too use Hangouts, for those few times I need video chat, because its more cross platform than is skype, and at least Google makes some promises and spends some effort to fight the man, even if they are not all that successful. For routine text chats, I just use Kopete with the OTR plug in, and pick a server that it supports file transfer with encryption. Its interoperable with Hangouts. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 22/01/16 00:16, James Knott wrote:

I also prefer Hangouts to Skype. But I have one friend who insists on using Skype. Either way, you need an account and a GMail account is generally more useful than Skype. I believe Google is less evil than MS. ;-)

Another possibility is WebRTC, where you just email someone a link. It's supported in a few browsers, such as with Firefox Hello.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC

I've finally, after years of having no luck with anything WebRTC or indeed anything non-Skype, got Firefox Hello working at a level that is just about passable. The echo cancellation is sometimes appalling and on two separate calls to people on opposite sides of the planet the same problem kept arising whereby a minute or so of problem-free talking then descends into a minute or so of heavily-delayed and fragmented speech that drives you mad, and it keeps swinging back and forth like that. Strangely, the video seems much less affected. I think I saw something the other day suggesting the general audio echo problems on Linux are due to be resolved somehow with a new update to some part of the stack in the near future. Didn't catch the exact details. I've been desperate to ditch Skype. It was once a peer-to-peer network but MS invested in 10,000 *linux* servers to handle all Skype calls in one big datacenter, all happily overlooked and screened by the western world's security services. Then they did something despicable and against all the ethics of the open source world. They held all users of the (proprietary) Linux client to ransom in summer 2014 by remotely terminating the functionality of older versions, forcing users to upgrade to version 4.3, which also required other more stringent login measures and ruled out the use of any other sound system than PulseAudio. Despite that forced change, they can't be arsed since then to update the Linux client by providing a x86-64 version that doesn't require installing a hundred or so 32-bit compatibility libraries pointlessly consuming some hundreds of megabytes of additional download and disk space. So I refuse to install it on my 64-bit machine. Another 32-bit machine I have uses JACK and needs jumping through hoops to install PulseAudio on it, so that's ruled out too. Virtually everybody I used to call on Skype no longer uses it. My parents were the last hold-out. I just replaced their PC with a 64-bit machine and decided Skype, MS and the NSA should never come anywhere near it. Whereas it had always failed before, FF Hello succeeds by the skin of its teeth so I will doggedly push them onto that. I think other Linux users should give WebRTC a try, be it via FF Hello (which can also work with the Chrome browser) or another client such as talky.io. Apps that require all users to have the same client should be a thing of the past. WebRTC is open, is slowly improving and is making inroads into more applications that support elements of its protocol (not just voice/video calls). gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org