I have been using SuSE since 5.3, never really took the time to look at any of the other distributions. Are there any other distributions near SuSE in completeness and ease? I have grown used to YaST and liked being able to use it for everything, and enjoyed having all the various software included ready to install and run. If you are a seasoned SuSE user and had to pick another distribution which would it be? Do any others include all the KDE and gnome , and allow you to easily switch between them? Is SuSE a one of a kind type of distribution, if so why? . thanks in advance joe If you feel this is off topic, please send your reply directly via email rather than continue to post on the list
On Monday 22 April 2002 02:04, joe lerch wrote:
I have been using SuSE since 5.3, never really took the time to look at any of the other distributions. Are there any other distributions near SuSE in completeness and ease?
I have grown used to YaST and liked being able to use it for everything, and enjoyed having all the various software included ready to install and run. If you are a seasoned SuSE user and had to pick another distribution which would it be? Do any others include all the KDE and gnome , and allow you to easily switch between them? Is SuSE a one of a kind type of distribution, if so why? .
redhat 7.x, of course, give the option of installing KDE and gnome, and selecting at boot. KDE won't be as up to date as with SuSE. redhat is as easy to install as SuSE in a smaller range of situations. Dual boot with Windows is somewhat more difficult, and the range of supplied applications is much smaller. Development utilities (gcc et al) are not standard fsf versions. -- Tim Prince
I have been using SuSE since 5.3, never really took the time to look at any of the other distributions. Are there any other distributions near SuSE in completeness and ease?
I have grown used to YaST and liked being able to use it for everything, and enjoyed having all the various software included ready to install and run. If you are a seasoned SuSE user and had to pick another distribution which would it be? Do any others include all the KDE and gnome , and allow you to easily switch between them? Is SuSE a one of a kind type of distribution, if so why? .
thanks in advance
joe
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It is not off-topic for me. I used SuSE 7.0 and 7.2 and so far I think it is the very best distro nowadays.Some people prefer other distro's,but it is a question of taste I
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From: "joe lerch"
On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 05:04, joe lerch wrote:
I have been using SuSE since 5.3, never really took the time to look at any of the other distributions. Are there any other distributions near SuSE in completeness and ease?
I have grown used to YaST and liked being able to use it for everything, and enjoyed having all the various software included ready to install and run. If you are a seasoned SuSE user and had to pick another distribution which would it be? Do any others include all the KDE and gnome , and allow you to easily switch between them? Is SuSE a one of a kind type of distribution, if so why? .
without a doubt i would go for slackware or red-hat
thanks in advance
joe
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On Monday 22 April 2002 2:00 pm, Poing wrote:
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any
of the other distributions. Are there any other distributions near SuSE in completeness and ease?
I have grown used to YaST and liked being able to use it for everything,
and
enjoyed having all the various software included ready to install and run.
If
you are a seasoned SuSE user and had to pick another distribution which
would
it be? Do any others include all the KDE and gnome , and allow you to
easily
switch between them? Is SuSE a one of a kind type of distribution, if so
why?
.
thanks in advance
joe
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It is not off-topic for me.
I used SuSE 7.0 and 7.2 and so far I think it is the very best distro nowadays.Some people prefer other distro's,but it is a question of taste I think. I will install suSE back next year when i have money to buy a new HD. Anyway,really pleased with XP. If SuSE wants to do better,be my guest. But it will be a tough job beating XP. i hope SuSE can do it,however...
Poing
Ha! Ha! That's a really good joke. The bit about XP. Haven't had such a good laugh for a long time.
On Monday 22 April 2002 15:31, Eddie Howson wrote:
Ha! Ha! That's a really good joke. The bit about XP. Haven't had such a good laugh for a long time.
What's the joke? Those babies are really great processors. And since SuSE doesn't do hardware it *will* be hard for them to beat XP. Anders
Are we talking about XP processor or Windows XP? My impression from the context was MS Windows. Maybe I need to reread that message. Eddie On Monday 22 April 2002 2:37 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Monday 22 April 2002 15:31, Eddie Howson wrote:
Ha! Ha! That's a really good joke. The bit about XP. Haven't had such a good laugh for a long time.
What's the joke? Those babies are really great processors.
And since SuSE doesn't do hardware it *will* be hard for them to beat XP.
Anders
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 05:04:38AM -0400, joe lerch wrote:
I have been using SuSE since 5.3, never really took the time to look at any of the other distributions. Are there any other distributions near SuSE in completeness and ease?
I have grown used to YaST and liked being able to use it for everything, and enjoyed having all the various software included ready to install and run. If you are a seasoned SuSE user and had to pick another distribution which would it be? Do any others include all the KDE and gnome , and allow you to easily switch between them? Is SuSE a one of a kind type of distribution, if so why?
I have installed and used many distros over the last 5 years and I always come back to SuSE for many reasons. As you mentioned, YaST is unequaled for admin tools, no other distro includes as much bundled software, or has the quality and polish of SuSE. That said, I do use other distros in special situations, and if I was going to run another distro, it would be Slackware, but I would only recommend Slack for advanced users. Here are some short thoughts on other distros (from my experience and *opinion* only, take it as that and not gospel): Red Hat -- widely used, lots of 3rd party apps, aimed at servers, non standard compiler, printing system in chaos (at least through 7.2), gnome oriented. Mandrake -- good GUI tools, everything non-standard (rpms and dependencies all suffixed with -mdk), custom apache patches included that were rejected by the apache foundation, config files drake-ized (lots of unusual extensions), not very stable in my experience, kde oriented. Debian -- ultra conservative (new 3.0 still uses 2.2 kernel by default), not many tools except for the excellent apt, the only distro with as much software as SuSE, difficult installer, free software only in the base (though you can add non-free), very stable, many packages out of date, interesting social contract. Slackware -- Small, tight distro (compared to the biggies), simple package system (.tar.gz), nothing obfuscated, easy to figure out how things are put together, lots of manual configuration required (no sound setup tool, no printer setup tool), uses vanilla kernels (good or bad depending on your viewpoint), BSD-style init, fewer packages available but does include KDE and gnome. E-smith/Mitel SME -- small, server only distro based on Red Hat, completely integrated system with web front end for most admin, Apache, MySQL, PHP4, Perl, Qmail, Imp/horde (webmail), ProFTPd, BIND (caching only), SSH, NTP4, DHCP, Samba, Squid, Netatalk, firewall, other optional for cost add-ons. Easy to set up, very stable, the only distro I've used with a quality level matching SuSE. No development tools, more difficult to add other packages but it can be done. FreeBSD -- I know, it's not Linux, but since I ran it for a while...very fast kernel on Intel, lots of software in ports system, weak setup tools (sound and printer manually), fewer developers, difficult to set up PCMCIA, less hardware supported, server oriented, BSD-style init. Storm -- Debian based, out of business. Those are the ones I've personally used. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ I can C for miles and miles Got spam? Get SPASTIC http://spastic.sourceforge.net
On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 14:37, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Monday 22 April 2002 15:31, Eddie Howson wrote:
Ha! Ha! That's a really good joke. The bit about XP. Haven't had such a good laugh for a long time.
What's the joke? Those babies are really great processors.
And since SuSE doesn't do hardware it *will* be hard for them to beat XP.
Clever Cloggs !!! Hehehehe........ So, have you had the one about XP running far to hot to be of any use ? <<PUFF>> Seriously though, next in preference , after SuSE, comes Slackware. Though I last fired one up in Version 4.0, I've just burnt Slack8.0 onto CD and might just take another peek, whilst waiting for SuSE 8.0 to show here. Are you listening Chris ? LOL . -- Kemdi IN_SuSE_d Since 5.2 123792 of counter.li.org ICQ:112290572
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On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 14:37, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Monday 22 April 2002 15:31, Eddie Howson wrote:
Ha! Ha! That's a really good joke. The bit about XP. Haven't had such a good laugh for a long time.
What's the joke? Those babies are really great processors.
And since SuSE doesn't do hardware it *will* be hard for them to beat XP.
Clever Cloggs !!! Hehehehe........ So, have you had the one about XP running far to hot to be of any use ? <<PUFF>>
I just signed on to this list after a long absence so I missed the beginning of this thread. What is the joke? Possibly this subject is one of interest to me. Why? When I started working in this lab 6 years ago, the project involved Pentium 100 PCs with Windows 95. A lot has changed since then and we have a mix of PCs but still with Windoze of varying versions. Recently one of our leased IBM PCs with 400 MHz Pentium II, NT4 got replaced with a new IBM with Pentium IV and Windows 2000. Everyone who has used this new PC and the old one have noticed that this new one seems to be slower than the old one with NT4. It seems that though the processor is much faster, the new operating system has dragged it down to the level of older PCs :-( So, now more than ever, I am interested in Linux once again. In the past when I experimented with Linux I thought that it seemed to run a bit slower or require more resources than W95 but with the latest performance of Windows 2000 and XP, I figure that perhaps Linux is now way ahead in the performance area. Is anyone willing to give an honest opinion of W2K/XP versus Linux? Am I correct in thinking that now Linux will blow away W2K/XP? In the past I hadn't really pursued switching to Linux because I was still trying to learn C++ so that in the future I would be able to use Borland's Kylix to port my projects to Linux. Now that I have learned some C++ and have ported one of the projects to C++ I would really like to know more about Linux performance because the latest MS products seem so bad. Damon Register
On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 16:39, Damon Register wrote:
I just signed on to this list after a long absence so I missed the beginning of this thread. What is the joke?
Welcome back Damon, The joke , as usual, has been long become lost in the play on words, deliberately using the term "XP" for both the AMD processor and the MS latest OS. But never mind.
So, now more than ever, I am interested in Linux once again. In the past when I experimented with Linux I thought that it seemed to run a bit slower or require more resources than W95 but with the latest performance of Windows 2000 and XP, I figure that perhaps Linux is now way ahead in the performance area. Is anyone willing to give an honest opinion of W2K/XP versus Linux? Am I correct in thinking that now Linux will blow away W2K/XP?
For me, having used MS XP pro and SuSE Linux pro side by side, I would it akin to having a Sat Navigation on board a Lexus 400 and none on a Honda NSX . I know that's a bit so-so. But within city limits, XP pro ,like the Lexus is just smooth and you dont get lost, thanks to all the hand-holding. Now, when out of town, with all the traffic cops happily on paid leave..... Hehehehehe.... ...Boy, does Linux like the NSX fly or what. And now, imagine you have the chassis/powerplant designer on board with you too. <GRIN> <GRIN>
In the past I hadn't really pursued switching to Linux because I was still trying to learn C++ so that in the future I would be able to use Borland's Kylix to port my projects to Linux. Now that I have learned some C++ and have ported one of the projects to C++ I would really like to know more about Linux performance because the latest MS products seem so bad.
Well then, you have definitely entered Shangri-la. Take your pick of C/C++ IDEs from Anjuta to KDevelop. What are you waiting for ? Please forgive the allegories. -- Kemdi IN_SuSE_d Since 5.2 123792 of counter.li.org ICQ:112290572
On Monday 22 April 2002 17:39, Damon Register wrote: [snip]
So, now more than ever, I am interested in Linux once again. In the past when I experimented with Linux I thought that it seemed to run a bit slower or require more resources than W95 but with the latest performance of Windows 2000 and XP, I figure that perhaps Linux is now way ahead in the performance area. Is anyone willing to give an honest opinion of W2K/XP versus Linux? Am I correct in thinking that now Linux will blow away W2K/XP?
I dual boot Win2K and SuSE7.3, and have noticed dramatic speed and preformace differences between the two OSes. Linux far outperforms Win2K. The hardware: AMD 1GHz, 700MB RAM, 108GB drive space across 3 harddrives, Sony CDrewriter, GeForce2 video. Some examples: - Burning a disk in Win2K ties up pretty much everything, and the OS is so busy that you cannot do anything else during the burn. In Linux, I can do everything but watch DivX movies while I burn CDs. - Gaming is much faster in Linux. I play the new Return to Wolfenstein, and I get better framerates and can set the video quility higher in Linux than in Win2K. - Drive activity - copying and moving files is much faster in Linux (using Riser FS if that makes any difference). The list goes on and on. I only have Win2K installed to do the few odd tasks that I cannot do in Linux - for example my bank has custom software that is Windows only for example, and I cannot get it to work right using WINE. When I am using Windows for some task, I usually find myself cursing at how slow it is because I am used to the speeds of Linux. C.
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 11:39:22AM -0400, Damon Register wrote:
So, now more than ever, I am interested in Linux once again. In the past when I experimented with Linux I thought that it seemed to run a bit slower or require more resources than W95 but with the latest performance of Windows 2000 and XP, I figure that perhaps Linux is now way ahead in the performance area. Is anyone willing to give an honest opinion of W2K/XP versus Linux? Am I correct in thinking that now Linux will blow away W2K/XP?
It really depends on what services you have running, which desktop you use and which applications. Since Linux is so configurable, you can always make it faster than Windows if you strip it down and run small, lean apps. You can also take it the other way, load it up with daemons, a "fat" window manager, and huge apps. Linux is what you make of it, grasshopper. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ I can C for miles and miles Got spam? Get SPASTIC http://spastic.sourceforge.net
Hello,
The list goes on and on. I only have Win2K installed to do the few
that I cannot do in Linux - for example my bank has custom software
odd tasks that is
Windows only for example, and I cannot get it to work right using WINE.
Are you using M$ Money for your banking needs? I couldn't make M$ Money work with WINE, nether I could find a financial application to substitute M$ Money. Looks like Linux doesn't have strong position on personal financial software market. Alex
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:35:28AM -0700, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Are you using M$ Money for your banking needs? I couldn't make M$ Money work with WINE, nether I could find a financial application to substitute M$ Money. Looks like Linux doesn't have strong position on personal financial software market. Alex
Moneydance is a very good application. It won't integrate directly with your bank, yet, if you need that, but it has all the basics covered, double entry accounting, splits, reconciliation, reports, graphs, etc. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ I can C for miles and miles Got spam? Get SPASTIC http://spastic.sourceforge.net
Prolly starting to sound like a broken record by now, but I pick SuSE above ALL distro's I have used. But in order from most favorite, to least.... SuSE (Pick a version any version) Slackware (Takes a bit of work, but great once its how you want it) Caldera (Cute distro to play with) ^^^ My Top 3 Red Hat Mandrake Debian ^^^ My least favorites and lord knows what others I have attempted on a whim and just decided "screw it SuSE is so much better". Granted, if I had a choice between my least favorite distro's and windows I will still go for linux over MS. Ease of use has NOTHING on actual usability and customization in my book. I would rather spend 20 minutes tinkering and reading mailing lists and how to's to get something working perfectly then sit on an OS that likes to spit, sputter and beg for reboots in less then a day of uptime. Robert K. Davies On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 08:59, Tim Prince wrote:
On Monday 22 April 2002 02:04, joe lerch wrote:
I have been using SuSE since 5.3, never really took the time to look at any of the other distributions. Are there any other distributions near SuSE in completeness and ease?
I have grown used to YaST and liked being able to use it for everything, and enjoyed having all the various software included ready to install and run. If you are a seasoned SuSE user and had to pick another distribution which would it be? Do any others include all the KDE and gnome , and allow you to easily switch between them? Is SuSE a one of a kind type of distribution, if so why? .
redhat 7.x, of course, give the option of installing KDE and gnome, and selecting at boot. KDE won't be as up to date as with SuSE. redhat is as easy to install as SuSE in a smaller range of situations. Dual boot with Windows is somewhat more difficult, and the range of supplied applications is much smaller. Development utilities (gcc et al) are not standard fsf versions. -- Tim Prince
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On Monday 22 April 2002 19:35, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Hello,
The list goes on and on. I only have Win2K installed to do the few
odd tasks
that I cannot do in Linux - for example my bank has custom software
that is
Windows only for example, and I cannot get it to work right using
WINE.
Are you using M$ Money for your banking needs? I couldn't make M$ Money work with WINE, nether I could find a financial application to substitute M$ Money. Looks like Linux doesn't have strong position on personal financial software market. Alex
Nope. I use Moneydance to track my spending - something I do way too much of since the Euro arrived. No MS Money here... haven't used that travesty of programming since 1998. When I discovered Moneydance, I bought a license. It does everything I need for a home checkbook balancer... basically all most people use MS Money for. There's lots of Linux based personal finance software... Moneydance, Gnucash etc. If you move a step up, The Kompany has some interesting looking products (i've never tried them though)... there is a company in Canada that provides Point Of Sale software for Linux. If you look around, there is actually a fair bit of finantial software kicking aorund. My bank - ABN Amro in the Netherlands - has, in the past, been seriously xenophobic about using the internet banking thing. (They have full internet banking now, but I haven't got around to applying for access yet.) They designed their own "HomeNet" software for Windows. It is a custom dialup package that allows you to see account activity and pay bills through an odd email type system. When I fire it up under WINE, it does run... sort of, but refuses to contact the bank. It fails with some error - conveniently in Dutch, and my Dutch is not up to where it should be. C.
Some of those I know like Mandrake. It's really "bleeding edge" and I have abandoned it, but it was interesting. I haven't used it for about 2 years, don't know how it works now. At least it didn't ram Gnome down your throat like RH. --doug At 05:04 04/22/2002 -0400, joe lerch wrote:
I have been using SuSE since 5.3, never really took the time to look at any of the other distributions. Are there any other distributions near SuSE in completeness and ease?
I have grown used to YaST and liked being able to use it for everything, and enjoyed having all the various software included ready to install and run. If you are a seasoned SuSE user and had to pick another distribution which would it be? Do any others include all the KDE and gnome , and allow you to easily switch between them? Is SuSE a one of a kind type of distribution, if so why? .
thanks in advance
joe
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On Monday 22 April 2002 19:35, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Are you using M$ Money for your banking needs?
WHAT!? They have a currency *too*? I know they've been issuing passports for a while now, but I didn't know they'd taken the plunge and introduced their own money as well... So what's it called...? the "Micron"? oh, no wait, that word's already spoken for... how about a "Truth"="100 Liecents"... Jon Currently listening to: Motörhead - Dr. Love, from the new album 'Hammered' -- .signature ;)
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