Hi does anybody have experience of LinuxCAD 2000? It seems to be nice package when reading from their web-site, but is it truly as good as they say? (worth the 99$). jaska.
No. You can read about it here: http://pweb.netcom.com/~rwuest/linuxcadreview.html ain P.S. 1. There is an interesting project (autocad12-like-free-thing) named oCadis. You can find the sources in the freshmeat, it compiles without difficulties and it may be in future a real 'killer' cad program, if there were more people involved. 2. An interesting cad project is MagicCad, you can find it somewhere in the ftp://ftp.mizi.com , i don't believe it is planned as free. Jaakko Tamminen wrote:
Hi
does anybody have experience of LinuxCAD 2000?
It seems to be nice package when reading from their web-site, but is it truly as good as they say? (worth the 99$).
jaska.
I have no idea if this is any good, but it may suit your needs: http://www.cycas.de/ If you can, please let me know what you think of this software, as I know someone who is getting into CAD stuff and might need something under Linux. Thanks, Steven On Sunday 19 August 2001 06:09 pm, Ain Vagula wrote:
No. You can read about it here: http://pweb.netcom.com/~rwuest/linuxcadreview.html
ain P.S. 1. There is an interesting project (autocad12-like-free-thing) named oCadis. You can find the sources in the freshmeat, it compiles without difficulties and it may be in future a real 'killer' cad program, if there were more people involved. 2. An interesting cad project is MagicCad, you can find it somewhere in the ftp://ftp.mizi.com , i don't believe it is planned as free.
Jaakko Tamminen wrote:
Hi
does anybody have experience of LinuxCAD 2000?
It seems to be nice package when reading from their web-site, but is it truly as good as they say? (worth the 99$).
jaska.
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Looks like you are from Finland? If so, maybe you can understand a little bit Estonian, take please a look to my work, made some years ago, at http://linux.ee/tarkvara/cad/ Some links are dead and I have no time to update this page very frequently... :( http://sal.kachinatech.com is a better place. ain Jaakko Tamminen wrote:
Hi
does anybody have experience of LinuxCAD 2000?
It seems to be nice package when reading from their web-site, but is it truly as good as they say? (worth the 99$).
jaska.
Dear SuSE List,
I have no direct experience with LinuxCAD, but I found this
Letter to the Editor of Linux Journal from a Web search.
Respectfully,
Ken Becker
Questionable Advertising
I'm disappointed that the New Products section of October's Linux Journal
carried an announcement from Software Forge Inc. This company makes many
wonderful claims about LinuxCAD regarding its performance and AutoCAD
compatibility, virtually all of which are simply untrue. This was already
pointed out in a review in the July issue of the Linux Gazette, but
unfortunately I only saw this after having decided to take a chance on
LinuxCAD. Linux Journal also runs the on-line Linux Gazette, so I'm doubly
surprised that you should carry an advertisement for this product.
After seeing the advertisement for LinuxCAD, I visited the web site, and I sent
them a mail asking specific questions about LinuxCAD. The answer I received
clearly stated that all of the commands I asked about were supported by
LinuxCAD, and that the price was $99. This turned out to be completely untrue.
Virtually every command I specified was not supported. Furthermore, many
features are considered by them to be extras costing one to two hundred dollars
each. None of this was mentioned in the price listing on the Software Forge web
site.
What defense does one have against this blatant dishonesty? It is further
aggravated by the fact that the Linux Journal carries an ad for the product.
Surely this was irresponsible on the part of Linux Journal. A large portion of
your target readership seems to be newcomers to Linux. This is clear from the
excellent series "Migrating to Linux". But newcomers are easy targets to this
kind of software fraud. I think it would be proper that the "magazine of the
Linux community" should also act as an ombudsman for the Linux community, and I
very much hope you can follow through on this. At the very least, Linux Journal
should refuse to carry advertisements for Software Forge Inc.
For your readers who are looking for CAD on Linux, there are a few
alternatives. Bentley's Microstation95 and VariCAD are both solid applications.
Unfortunately for me, and I imagine for many others, I have far too much time
invested in AutoCAD drawings, customisation, and in my own plug-in
applications, to be able to easily switch to another CAD package. There are a
number of competitors to AutoCAD these days who are offering "AutoCAD fluency",
for example IntelliCAD by Visio. I have written to them asking them to port
IntelliCAD to Linux. Maybe if enough of us write to them... Meanwhile, Autodesk
has me chained to MS windows.
--Steve Torchinskysteve@oso.chalmers.se
P.S. Here are links to pages mentioned above plus a few others.
LinuxCAD impressions by Robert Wuest: http://www.ssc.com/lg/issue30/wuest.html
VariCAD review by Damir Naden: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue33/naden.html
VariCAD: http://www.varicad.com/
Microstation for Linux: http://www.bentley.com/academic/products/linux.htm
IntelliCAD by Visio: write to them! http://www.visio.com/
Freedraft (2d only): http://pw2.netcom.com/~iamcliff/
FreeDesigner (early stages. help out if you can.):
http://www.fpa-engineers.com/OD/
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From: Jaakko Tamminen
Perhaps you are unaware that Visio is now a part of Microsoft, and as such, is unlikely to ever write anything that will run on Linux. Go to the website yourself and see. --dm /skip lots of stuff/
P.S. Here are links to pages mentioned above plus a few others.
/skip/
IntelliCAD by Visio: write to them! http://www.visio.com/
/skip/ --doug, also looking for a real AutoCad clone that really works.
hi, if i remeber correctly, there was an autocad for unix (at least in the past) maybe it runs with one of the binary emulators that linux provides in its kernel ??? and maybe we can all send mails to autodesk, asking them for a linux version ?? if there was an unix version, it should be no big trouble for them to do a linux version too ...... greets, chris Am Dienstag, 21. August 2001 05:17 schrieb Doug McGarrett:
Perhaps you are unaware that Visio is now a part of Microsoft, and as such, is unlikely to ever write anything that will run on Linux. Go to the website yourself and see. --dm
/skip lots of stuff/
P.S. Here are links to pages mentioned above plus a few others.
/skip/
IntelliCAD by Visio: write to them! http://www.visio.com/
/skip/
--doug, also looking for a real AutoCad clone that really works.
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Christian Klippel wrote: ck> hi, ck> ck> if i remeber correctly, there was an autocad for unix (at least in ck> the past) maybe it runs with one of the binary emulators that ck> linux provides in its kernel ??? and maybe we can all send mails ck> to autodesk, asking them for a linux version ?? if there was an ck> unix version, it should be no big trouble for them to do a linux ck> version too ...... ck> Autodesk AutoCAD r.12 was the last version that was ported to Microsoft, Macintosh and Unix OS's. As far as getting Autodesk to write one for Linux, don't count on it. There are no plans (I know one of the programmers for Autodesk Designer) to port it Linux in the forseeable future. Of course, this was January I asked him about it, so who knows. The best bet will be to start playing around with AutoCAD and Wine and see if you can get as many error messages or as much information as possible to forward to the developers of Wine. That's probably going to be the best way. ck> greets, ck> ck> chris ck> ck> Am Dienstag, 21. August 2001 05:17 schrieb Doug McGarrett: ck> > Perhaps you are unaware that Visio is now a part of Microsoft, and ck> > as such, is unlikely to ever write anything that will run on Linux. ck> > Go to the website yourself and see. --dm ck> > ck> > ck> ck> -- S.Toms - smotrs@mindspring.com - www.mindspring.com/~smotrs SuSE Linux v7.0+ - Kernel 2.2.18 "If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything." -- A. L.
re, sure, youre right. but anyway, i just signed up and submitted a whish for a linux version. it would be nice if others would do this too..... how many people are on this list ? if everyone of us here submits a whish for a linux version, maybe we can force them a little to think about that seriously ... it takes some time to sign up, ok, but if we never try, nothing would happen at all... its up to us to "force" them (and others too) to make linux versions of the software. greets, chris Am Dienstag, 21. August 2001 06:12 schrieb S.Toms:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Christian Klippel wrote:
ck> hi, ck> ck> if i remeber correctly, there was an autocad for unix (at least in ck> the past) maybe it runs with one of the binary emulators that ck> linux provides in its kernel ??? and maybe we can all send mails ck> to autodesk, asking them for a linux version ?? if there was an ck> unix version, it should be no big trouble for them to do a linux ck> version too ...... ck>
Autodesk AutoCAD r.12 was the last version that was ported to Microsoft, Macintosh and Unix OS's. As far as getting Autodesk to write one for Linux, don't count on it. There are no plans (I know one of the programmers for Autodesk Designer) to port it Linux in the forseeable future. Of course, this was January I asked him about it, so who knows. The best bet will be to start playing around with AutoCAD and Wine and see if you can get as many error messages or as much information as possible to forward to the developers of Wine. That's probably going to be the best way.
ck> greets, ck> ck> chris ck> ck> Am Dienstag, 21. August 2001 05:17 schrieb Doug McGarrett: ck> > Perhaps you are unaware that Visio is now a part of Microsoft, and ck> > as such, is unlikely to ever write anything that will run on Linux. ck> > Go to the website yourself and see. --dm ck> > ck> > ck> ck>
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Christian Klippel wrote: ck> re, ck> ck> sure, youre right. but anyway, i just signed up and submitted a ck> whish for a linux version. ck> ck> it would be nice if others would do this too..... how many people ck> are on this list ? if everyone of us here submits a whish for a ck> linux version, maybe we can force them a little to think about ck> that seriously ... it takes some time to sign up, ok, but if we ck> never try, nothing would happen at all... its up to us to "force" ck> them (and others too) to make linux versions of the software. ck> Question is, how many on the list will PAY for it? AutoCAD runs a bit of money, even more when your talking Mechanical Desktop. What it's gonaa take is coporations convincing Autodesk that it's worth their while to port to a Non-MS OS. Individuals arn't going to convince them unfortunately, what we need is companies that are currently using it to request it. If Autodesk sees hundreds of companies requesting it then they'll probably take notice. ck> greets, ck> ck> chris ck> ck> ck> Am Dienstag, 21. August 2001 06:12 schrieb S.Toms: ck> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Christian Klippel wrote: ck> > ck> > ck> hi, ck> > ck> ck> > ck> if i remeber correctly, there was an autocad for unix (at least in ck> > ck> the past) maybe it runs with one of the binary emulators that ck> > ck> linux provides in its kernel ??? and maybe we can all send mails ck> > ck> to autodesk, asking them for a linux version ?? if there was an ck> > ck> unix version, it should be no big trouble for them to do a linux ck> > ck> version too ...... ck> > ck> ck> > ck> > Autodesk AutoCAD r.12 was the last version that was ported to Microsoft, ck> > Macintosh and Unix OS's. As far as getting Autodesk to write one for ck> > Linux, don't count on it. There are no plans (I know one of the ck> > programmers for Autodesk Designer) to port it Linux in the forseeable ck> > future. Of course, this was January I asked him about it, so who ck> > knows. ck> > The best bet will be to start playing around with AutoCAD and Wine and ck> > see if you can get as many error messages or as much information as ck> > possible to forward to the developers of Wine. That's probably going to be ck> > the best way. ck> > ck> > ck> greets, ck> > ck> ck> > ck> chris ck> > ck> ck> > ck> Am Dienstag, 21. August 2001 05:17 schrieb Doug McGarrett: ck> > ck> > Perhaps you are unaware that Visio is now a part of Microsoft, and ck> > ck> > as such, is unlikely to ever write anything that will run on Linux. ck> > ck> > Go to the website yourself and see. --dm ck> > ck> > ck> > ck> > ck> > ck> ck> > ck> ck> ck> -- S.Toms - smotrs@mindspring.com - www.mindspring.com/~smotrs SuSE Linux v7.0+ - Kernel 2.2.18 Pity the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. -- Don Marquis
re,
sure, youre right. but anyway, i just signed up and submitted a whish for a linux version.
it would be nice if others would do this too..... how many people are on this list ? if everyone of us here submits a whish for a linux version, maybe we can force them a little to think about that seriously ... it takes some time to sign up, ok, but if we never try, nothing would happen at all... its up to us to "force" them (and others too) to make linux versions of
signed up with who? and where?
please
scsijon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Klippel"
greets,
chris
Am Dienstag, 21. August 2001 06:12 schrieb S.Toms:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Christian Klippel wrote:
ck> hi, ck> ck> if i remeber correctly, there was an autocad for unix (at least in ck> the past) maybe it runs with one of the binary emulators that ck> linux provides in its kernel ??? and maybe we can all send mails ck> to autodesk, asking them for a linux version ?? if there was an ck> unix version, it should be no big trouble for them to do a linux ck> version too ...... ck>
Autodesk AutoCAD r.12 was the last version that was ported to
Microsoft,
Macintosh and Unix OS's. As far as getting Autodesk to write one for Linux, don't count on it. There are no plans (I know one of the programmers for Autodesk Designer) to port it Linux in the forseeable future. Of course, this was January I asked him about it, so who knows. The best bet will be to start playing around with AutoCAD and Wine and see if you can get as many error messages or as much information as possible to forward to the developers of Wine. That's probably going to be the best way.
ck> greets, ck> ck> chris ck> ck> Am Dienstag, 21. August 2001 05:17 schrieb Doug McGarrett: ck> > Perhaps you are unaware that Visio is now a part of Microsoft, and ck> > as such, is unlikely to ever write anything that will run on Linux. ck> > Go to the website yourself and see. --dm ck> > ck> > ck> ck>
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as I've understood, visio has given 2 years ago Intellicad source free for about 2 months. after this, there are 10...20 developing teams, who are making its own "intellicad" (or whatever) independently. It is not excluded, that someone is working, trying to make a port to Linux, but I've heard that program is too windoze-specific. About wine: I've tried once to run Felixcad under wine (dont understand me wrong, please :)), and it started, opened a simple drawing, but I coudn't perform any operation more. This is the best windoze-cad behavior with wine, I've ever seen. And another thing: Why are you looking for a AutoCad clone? What is important, is compability. I hope, there will never be a Linux MS Office, a Linux AutoCAD etc. I've never seen a really good programmer, who wants to make only an exact copy... ain Doug McGarrett wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware that Visio is now a part of Microsoft, and as such, is unlikely to ever write anything that will run on Linux. Go to the website yourself and see. --dm
/skip lots of stuff/
P.S. Here are links to pages mentioned above plus a few others.
/skip/
IntelliCAD by Visio: write to them! http://www.visio.com/
/skip/
--doug, also looking for a real AutoCad clone that really works.
Varicad is a good Solid Modeller. It will also read and write Autocad 2D files. Cost is very reasonable. However there is a steep learning curve. Cycas looks interesting. A free download is available for evaluation -with a few limitations built in. A search on Google should bring up their home page. Both of these are worthy of support by Linux users. BM On Tuesday 21 August 2001 17:21, you wrote:
as I've understood, visio has given 2 years ago Intellicad source free for about 2 months. after this, there are 10...20 developing teams, who are making its own "intellicad" (or whatever) independently. It is not excluded, that someone is working, trying to make a port to Linux, but I've heard that program is too windoze-specific.
About wine: I've tried once to run Felixcad under wine (dont understand me wrong, please :)), and it started, opened a simple drawing, but I coudn't perform any operation more. This is the best windoze-cad behavior with wine, I've ever seen.
And another thing: Why are you looking for a AutoCad clone? What is important, is compability. I hope, there will never be a Linux MS Office, a Linux AutoCAD etc. I've never seen a really good programmer, who wants to make only an exact copy...
ain
Doug McGarrett wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware that Visio is now a part of Microsoft, and as such, is unlikely to ever write anything that will run on Linux. Go to the website yourself and see. --dm
/skip lots of stuff/
P.S. Here are links to pages mentioned above plus a few others.
/skip/
IntelliCAD by Visio: write to them! http://www.visio.com/
/skip/
--doug, also looking for a real AutoCad clone that really works.
I guess it's obvious that the reason we're looking for an AutoCad clone, is that the program runs really well, does what we want it to do, and we know how to use it. Who wants to learn a new routine, when he has something that is virtually perfect as it stands? --doug At 08:00 08/22/2001 +0930, Brian Marr wrote:
Varicad is a good Solid Modeller. It will also read and write Autocad 2D files. Cost is very reasonable. However there is a steep learning curve.
Cycas looks interesting. A free download is available for evaluation -with a few limitations built in.
A search on Google should bring up their home page.
Both of these are worthy of support by Linux users.
BM
On Tuesday 21 August 2001 17:21, you wrote:
as I've understood, visio has given 2 years ago Intellicad source free for about 2 months. after this, there are 10...20 developing teams, who are making its own "intellicad" (or whatever) independently. It is not excluded, that someone is working, trying to make a port to Linux, but I've heard that program is too windoze-specific.
About wine: I've tried once to run Felixcad under wine (dont understand me wrong, please :)), and it started, opened a simple drawing, but I coudn't perform any operation more. This is the best windoze-cad behavior with wine, I've ever seen.
And another thing: Why are you looking for a AutoCad clone? What is important, is compability. I hope, there will never be a Linux MS Office, a Linux AutoCAD etc. I've never seen a really good programmer, who wants to make only an exact copy...
ain
Doug McGarrett wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware that Visio is now a part of Microsoft, and as such, is unlikely to ever write anything that will run on Linux. Go to the website yourself and see. --dm
/skip lots of stuff/
P.S. Here are links to pages mentioned above plus a few others.
/skip/
IntelliCAD by Visio: write to them! http://www.visio.com/
/skip/
--doug, also looking for a real AutoCad clone that really works.
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I just looked through my /etc/httpd/httpd.conf file for something and found that the ServerRoot directive was set to "/usr/local/httpd". Shouldn't this be "/etc/httpd"? The server is running fine serving a single page with text and images. The comments in the file say that this directive should be "the top of the directory tree under which the server's configuration, error, and log files are kept". Well, SuSE's placement of Apache files don't keep configuration, error and log files in the same directory tree, but shouldn't this directive point to the tree where the configuration file (/etc/httpd/httpd.conf) is found? Best regards, David List
On Monday 20 August 2001 18:18, David List wrote:
I just looked through my /etc/httpd/httpd.conf file for something and found that the ServerRoot directive was set to "/usr/local/httpd". Shouldn't this be "/etc/httpd"? The server is running fine serving a single page with text and images.
No. /etc is for configuration. /etc/httpd is for website configuration. /usr/local/httpd is a logical place as any to put the actual web content. I put my logfiles under there as well, but were I a bit more intelligent I would put them under /var/log/httpd. =cut=
Well, SuSE's placement of Apache files don't keep configuration, error and log files in the same directory tree, but shouldn't this directive point to the tree where the configuration file (/etc/httpd/httpd.conf) is found?
There is occasionally a reason for a file to know where itself is, but this is not one of those. It needs to know where the website files are, not the website configuration files which it's currently reading anyway. Your misconception is that one program should all be placed in one directory. But that's not logical on Linux. Temporary files go in /tmp. User/site files go in /usr, /usr/local. Configuration goes into /etc. Were the shoes on the other foot, I'd end up looking in /etc for website configuration (because that's where it goes) just to find out it's all bunched up into one garbled directory tree... It's just a matter of a frame of mind. Dave
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Steven Hatfield