* Patrick Shanahan [04-17-15 09:29]:

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13.2 We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup?

I am having good luck with hp8600 series printers wireless and wired on a mix of linux and windows systems. Using hplip on the openSUSE systems.

Note that these are networked printers, ie: have local ip addresses. That way only computer which needs to be powered is the one initiating the print. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 17/04/2015 17:00, Greg Freemyer a écrit :

haven't tried from phones.

phones use proprietary applications from the store. I have the Hp and the Brother ones, I guess it's easy to see if there is one fr you jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/17/2015 12:22 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

On 04/17/2015 11:08 AM, jdd wrote:

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Le 17/04/2015 17:00, Greg Freemyer a écrit :

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haven't tried from phones.

phones use proprietary applications from the store. I have the Hp and the Brother ones, I guess it's easy to see if there is one fr you

jdd

I think the printer only need support bonjour protocol for phone printing, at lease that is how it works with my Iphone and Ipad.

Yeah, but that's because they are Apple devices. (not the printers, but the tablet and phones) The only time you need bonjour is when you are using Apple senders. Everybody else uses jet-direct, IPP, or similar protocol over standard TCP/IP. I refuse to allow a bonjour stack on any of my linux machines. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/17/2015 05:37 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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On 04/17/2015 12:22 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote: Yeah, but that's because they are Apple devices. (not the printers, but the tablet and phones) The only time you need bonjour is when you are using Apple senders. This is an overstatement. Bonjour is now Zeroconf and is supported by most devices, including LINUX, via Avahi.

Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs. I have used the following custom service script for the past couple of years to enable printing from both Android and Apple tablets and phones. You need only edit the file and add your IP and printer share name. The service file should be place in /etc/avahi/services/YourPrinterShareName.service. Example for my LJ4200: $ cat /etc/avahi/services/LaserJet.service <?xml version="1.0" standalone='no'?><!--*-nxml-*--> <!DOCTYPE service-group SYSTEM "avahi-service.dtd"> <service-group> <name>LaserJet</name> <service> <type>_ipp._tcp</type> <subtype>_universal._sub._ipp._tcp</subtype> <port>631</port> <txt-record>txtver=1</txt-record> <txt-record>qtotal=1</txt-record> <txt-record>rp=printers/LaserJet</txt-record> <txt-record>ty=LaserJet</txt-record> <txt-record>adminurl=http://198.168.6.17:631/printers/LaserJet</txt-record> <txt-record>note=Home Office Laserjet 4200</txt-record> <txt-record>priority=0</txt-record> <txt-record>product=virtual Printer</txt-record> <txt-record>printer-state=3</txt-record> <txt-record>printer-type=0x801046</txt-record> <txt-record>Transparent=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Binary=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Fax=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Color=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Duplex=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Staple=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Copies=T</txt-record> <txt-record>Collate=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Punch=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Bind=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Sort=F</txt-record> <txt-record>Scan=F</txt-record> <txt-record>pdl=application/octet-stream,application/pdf,application/postscript,image/jpeg,image/png,image/urf</txt-record> <txt-record>URF=W8,SRGB24,CP1,RS600</txt-record> </service> </service-group> I'm sure I will need to update it at some point, but for now it still works fine. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:

On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.

Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:

Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge

HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set

Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?

Thanks, B

I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer. It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 27/04/15 22:50, buhorojo wrote:

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On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:

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On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.

Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:

Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge

HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set

Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?

Thanks, B

I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.

It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.

Peter Hi Thanks. There seem to be two drivers in Yast: HP Envy 4500 Series hpijs, 3.14.6 HP Envy 4500 Series, hpcups 3.14.6 I'm not sure how to change from one to the other. Maybe this will give

On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote: the different resolutions?

You want the cups one most probably. hpijs is only for basic functionality. I'm not sure however that Envy 4500 is the same type as my own, which is an all-in-one multifunction. Sometimes YaST shows a driver already but which isn't fully configured. Either add a new printer and then delete the old one, or edit the existing one taking account of all options, some of them obscurely located in advanced settings or tabs. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On April 27, 2015 11:04:29 PM PDT, buhorojo wrote:

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On 27/04/15 22:50, buhorojo wrote:

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On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote:

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On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:

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On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.

Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to

On 27/04/15 22:55, Peter wrote: their

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boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:

Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge

HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set

Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?

Thanks, B

I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.

It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.

Peter Hi Thanks. There seem to be two drivers in Yast: HP Envy 4500 Series hpijs, 3.14.6 HP Envy 4500 Series, hpcups 3.14.6 I'm not sure how to change from one to the other. Maybe this will give the different resolutions?

You want the cups one most probably. hpijs is only for basic functionality. I'm not sure however that Envy 4500 is the same type as my own, which is an all-in-one multifunction. Sometimes YaST shows a driver already but which isn't fully configured. Either add a new printer and then delete the old one, or edit the existing one taking account of all options, some of them obscurely located in advanced settings or tabs.

Peter Hi OK, it looks like no way the epson is going to do wifi, so I'll concentrate on the HP, which does better photos anyway.

Mmm, it's certainly not intuitive. I've now tried hpcups and hpijs (I think), but it still only prints at low resolution. I wonder if I need to reboot the laptop or restart something after I've changed from one to the other? Do we have anything other than Yast to set up a printer?

The only way I've found so far is to send to Drive and print from 'phone where I can choose exactly what I want. Maybe that's what intended these days anyway.

I've all but given up on Yast. The ePrint thing maybe what I need, but all te HP site says that I need to email the document to the printer. That's more trouble than via the 'phone. And how do I get an e-mail address for a printer? Anyway, not given up yet...

Thanks everyone for their help. B

No you don't have to mail the document to the printer. You can do that, but itd not necessary. You just "share" the document with your printing software and it will send it to your printer. Ask any high school kid. They'll show you the ropes. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote:

On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:

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On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.

Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:

Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge

HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set

Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?

Thanks, B

I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.

It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.

Peter

Hi. Just had a look. No, it's not the same series. Just thinking out loud: After a lot of trial and error I found the alternative hp-setup in Yast. This gives the option of mDNS/bonjour which seems to be responsible for giving me the wifi connection. Is there anything similar for the epson? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/04/15 15:43, Peter wrote:

On 27/04/15 23:11, buhorojo wrote:

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On 27/04/15 20:36, Peter wrote:

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On 27/04/15 17:53, buhorojo wrote:

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On 18/04/15 06:07, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Bingo! Avahi can handle All the phone wireless print needs.

Hi again With most retail outlets unwilling to let me try to connect to their boxed printers, I've had to go with what my friends have. Both the following work from my 'phone just standing near them and 'sharing' the photo with the printer. Here are the 13.2 results using yast in an attempt to set them up:

Epson wf2530 wifi is not recognised only works via usb does a hi res 10x15 print on photo paper right to the edge

HP 4500 wifi recognised doesn't print to the edge always prints at the same (low) resolution, despite what I set

Questions: - does anyone have the epson working with wifi? - does anyone have the hp working at different resolutions?

Thanks, B

I have an HP C4580. I don't know if that's the same type as you're referring to. It's often named 'HP 4500 series' in the settings but it's several years old. I got mine secondhand a year or two ago. Maybe the one you're referring to is much newer.

It does print edge-to-edge and at higher resolutions. All controlled via HPLIP.

Peter

Hi. Just had a look. No, it's not the same series. Just thinking out loud: After a lot of trial and error I found the alternative hp-setup in Yast. This gives the option of mDNS/bonjour which seems to be responsible for giving me the wifi connection. Is there anything similar for the epson?

I only know that I set up the wireless by running hp-toolbox, and choosing the option from the main menu of icons there. I did it more than once from more than one machine, having fiddled with my static address settings on the router, and in at least one case the process wasn't entirely smooth.

Once configured in YaST or via the hp-toolbox, you can visit localhost:631 in a browser to explore the CUPS options. They're not always totally obvious to navigate either.

Peter

Hi I'm getting nowhere. Deciphering 631 via Google, I got the cups set up, but this gives me the same options as Yast doesn't it? At least I can't see anything different. Still the same low res printout no matter what resolution I choose, and it makes an awful noise from my laptop. From my bog standard motorola-e with the hp app it's quiet, doesn't produce 'bands' of different intensities and I can choose whatever resolution I like. Do we have anything like that app? I'm revisiting Linux after a year or so. There doesn't seem to have been any progress with printing at all. Maybe it's just bad luck and I've chosen the wrong printers to try. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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On 2015-04-28 22:29, buhorojo wrote:

You can check if your printer is supported in Linux here:

http://www.openprinting.org/printers

Another resource is http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting Hi I don't think they are up to date. This is why I bothered in the first place. The 'Suse' listing for this HP printer has everything I want: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/other/envy_4500_series.html

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Hi I'm getting nowhere. Deciphering 631 via Google, I got the cups set up, but this gives me the same options as Yast doesn't it? Similar, but not the same. CUPS has more options.

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Maybe it's just bad luck and I've chosen the wrong printers to try. With Linux you have to shop carefully. Well, I just want a printer to do what it says on the tin. Like with a 'phone. It seems that this is not possible with Linux. The Yast setup is

On 29/04/15 01:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: like one of those old efforts from the 90's. You have to be an expert to even understand the wording! Anyway, thanks. Your last line says it all;)

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Hi I don't think they are up to date.

Well, the "envy" are not even listed.

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This is why I bothered in the first place. The 'Suse' listing for this HP printer has everything I want: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/other/envy_4500_series.html

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you need hplip 3.13.6. I see that my 13.1 has 3.13.10, so it should support it.

New version of HPLIP-3.15.4 is available for upgrade direct from the HPLIP website. See http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/novell.html Note that regardless of how up to date the Opensuse versions appear they always seem crippled. Often they won't do two sided printing or won't read status of toner/ink or they won't do scanning from all-in-one models. I don't know if this is some limitation imposed by HP or some patent wariness on Opensuse's part, or incompatibility with cups. I've learned never to use the OS packages and install from the above. The sequence of commands they offer there seemed to work perfectly. Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way to go. - -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlVBGqkACgkQv7M3G5+2DLJyxQCfS5KUhHS09kBsQ4ooghXNms7Q gHcAoIXujgcWIU6DJWFp+hDuRgPFgrLk =68WK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way to go. Ah, that's an important detail.

I use mine only via cups, with the os version of hplip, and I'm happy. My printer works fine even without hplip installed.

Maybe I'm expecting too much. I have to give the (borrowed) printers back tomorrow and I feel it only right I replace the ink I've wasted. This has been an expensive trial. I could have bought the HP for what I'm paying for the ink. No one has mentioned the epson so I'm guessing that's a even more of non stater with linux. I'm really pleased with the quality of eprint on the HP. I suppose the next step is to buy one, stick with printing from the 'phone and maybe one day get the courage to compile the hpip driver thing. Anyway... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 30/04/15 00:30, Doug wrote:

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Of course,HPLIP addresses the printer directly, either over the network or physically, and it sort of bypasses cups. But if you want full functionality of a All-in-one printer its the only way to go. Ah, that's an important detail.

I use mine only via cups, with the os version of hplip, and I'm happy. My printer works fine even without hplip installed.

Maybe I'm expecting too much. I have to give the (borrowed) printers back tomorrow and I feel it only right I replace the ink I've wasted. This has been an expensive trial. I could have bought the HP for what I'm paying for the ink. No one has mentioned the epson so I'm guessing that's a even more of non stater with linux. I'm really pleased with the quality of eprint on the HP. I suppose the next step is to buy one, stick with printing from the 'phone and maybe one day get the courage to compile the hpip driver thing. Anyway... I haven't been closely following this thread, but Epson has drivers for just about everything they make, not only for Windows, but for Linux. For example, I am using an Epson WP-4530 All-in One under PCLinuxOS and it works perfectly as a printer, but also as a scanner. (I don't FAX thru the computer, by choice. But FAX works

On 04/29/2015 04:46 PM, buhorojo wrote: perfectly well in both directions.) Epson colors are very good, but as you note, rather expensive. I doubt that inks for other vendors' printers are any cheaper--it's the name of the game: give away the razor, then live on the profits from selling blades.

BTW: I suggest that you do NOT use ink refills from various non-manufacturers of the printer you buy. Some years ago I had to throw out a color printer after refilling the inks from some unknown vendor, and it clogged the heads, which could net be cleaned. I only had the printer for a few months, so it was an expensive lesson!

Yes, that's a good point, I'd forgotten. I'm told that the problem with Epson is that you always use the same print nozzles. With HP, you get new nozzles each time you put in a new cartridge, because they are contained in the cartridge. Still ridiculously expensive blades of course.

I will mention that my son has an HP All-in-One, and it is very fast. He doesn't use Linux much, so I don't know how well it works with Linux, but I think HP also has drivers for just about any of their printers--check before you buy.

--doug

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On 04/30/2015 08:27 AM, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:

If you're printing more than a couple thousand pages a year, I don't think a inkjet makes sense.

I'm not even sure that is the threshold with the prices of colour laserjets coming down. Given my experience with inkjets, the high cost of ink, the cleaning and clogging of nozzles, its too much! I agree with greg about the basic economics. Laserjets 'just work' without the ridiculous amount of effort inkjets take. I rarely need colour work; when i do I can take a hi-res image on a USB stick to a print shop, because I need hundreds. As it stands, my print needs are light. My office isn't quite paperless, my accountant wants hard copy of e-purchase receipts. And I print the occasional recipe for my cookbook folder. At this rate my Brother will probably outlive me! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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I think ink is better for photos. That's all we want to print, but I don't think that's possible directly from a linux laptop unless you can compile programs:(

I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big. I watched a friend of mine trying to print just two photos on special paper, with an ink printer, from Windows. He wasted half a dozen or more of those expensive sheets, while changing adjustements, getting weird colours and low resolution. In the end, we realized that the photo files were in fact low resolution. But they looked just fine on the phone... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCbyoACgkQja8UbcUWM1w5EgD/eezF6H6UlX4euTtbawrEymxb vWqt17TN8ZbK3UPPTGIA/1VQr/W7oxKNGwU5pQqO4eagIvfcTs/6coAbWvF73bSS =zX77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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I think ink is better for photos. That's all we want to print, but I don't think that's possible directly from a linux laptop unless you can compile programs:(

I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big.

I watched a friend of mine trying to print just two photos on special paper, with an ink printer, from Windows. He wasted half a dozen or more of those expensive sheets, while changing adjustements, getting weird colours and low resolution. In the end, we realized that the photo files were in fact low resolution. But they looked just fine on the phone...

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Carlos E. R.

In a slightly earlier post to this thread, someone said that a Xerox color laser printer was low cost. So I looked: yes, there are one or two models under or in the vicinity of $200, but _not_ any that can do duplex! Unless you don't care how much paper you waste, you really need duplex for keeping useful information for your own use at home. In business, the extra cost is just a business expense-tax deductible even--but an extra $200 my not be justifiable for the home user. I actually own three printers--one real old and slow, and an old but quite adequate HP LaserJet and a fairly recent Epson All-in-One inker. All would do duplex, altho the real old one has forgotten how. But that's for emergency use only. The Epson does really good color--I don't know if any low or even medium cost duplex-capable laser can be expected to do that. (Altho if I have to replace it, I'll find out!) --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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In a slightly earlier post to this thread, someone said that a Xerox color laser printer was low cost. So I looked: yes, there are one or two models under or in the vicinity of $200, but _not_ any that can do duplex! Unless you don't care how much paper you waste, you really need duplex for keeping useful information for your own use at home.

Well, no, you don't *need* it at home, unless you print many pages often. I can print duplex on my non-duplex printer when I want to. The trick is not hard to do. You first print even pages in reverse order; then feed the same stack of paper to the printer, and print the odd pages. A duplex printer is more expensive and bulky. Not really affordable on most homes. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCtyAACgkQja8UbcUWM1ykkAEAiiSQxx/JYyCRwShzTcQvFvv/ u3PzMfsLLDxwjSrZQTMA/3swvRwK4+vWzpdIx2iTQLza5AgiHSYDKWi290ui2HFT =ChG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/30/2015 02:06 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big.

What's your printer? What did it cost? What would it cost today? What does ink cost? Please refute buhorojo. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/30/2015 07:40 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

I'm astonished.

You have to redo the calculation for the models you can buy now at your place.

When I need colour I really need more than just colour printing. I'm preparing a report or presentation and need binding and all to make a good presentation. So its not about how to get a cheap laser print, its more like this https://www.staplescopyandprint.ca/Services/Finishing.aspx Of course they can also do things like full colour dual sided business cards with finishes that a laser or inkjet printer can't manage at home. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/05/15 00:43, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 04/30/2015 02:06 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I print photos just fine from my Linux laptop on my laserjet, in colour, at the maximum resolution of my printer. I don't use special paper. I can print many of them without noticing the toner expenditure, and I print big. What's your printer? What did it cost? What would it cost today? What does ink cost?

Please refute buhorojo.

How do you refute someone who knows nothing about it in the first place?! I can't justify $200 for a printer and then at least $80 when I need to top it up, to print a few photos once a month. So that's no good. Considering all the posts (and thanks everyone for taking the time) I think the best way is a cheap HP from the supermarket and print via Android. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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I can't justify $200 for a printer and then at least $80 when I need to top it up, to print a few photos once a month.

Then crank the numbers! If its just a few photos a month then the photo shop in your local mall might be a better deal.

Indeed. An inkjet printer used a only few times a month might dry out. Mine did. And photos use a lot of ink, which is expensive. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVDdxMACgkQja8UbcUWM1ycugD8DLGI4HimZ2Kpu7sKUTubklvV rr2JzOcWvjTwcZMiK8QA/iOn3qc/oygPvD49uX2dRjwgxGzbaHZloNWaDNUnejxO =O2Hz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/01/2015 09:12 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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I never buy anything but HP printers. They just work.

That's been my experience with Brother. I've heard PC/Windows users say the same thing about Epson, though my experience with Epson differs. Greatly[1]. Sometimes I wonder if its not like religion in a D&D game. The rule seem to end up that if you stay loyal and worshipful the God of Your Religion favours you. I've hears Fundamentalists make the same claim :-) There's a strong thread in this thread of discussion that people who stay loyal to one brand seem to have success with it, for whatever that brand is. [1] As in "!*never*! *EVER* !*again*!" -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/01/2015 06:23 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

There's a strong thread in this thread of discussion that people who stay loyal to one brand seem to have success with it, for whatever that brand is.

Its more an issue of the Devil you know being better than the one you don't I suspect. I got once burned on a Konica and never went back. I use HP, (not exclusively) but I am appalled at the amount of software you have to install just to get them to work properly. (I've been through it enough times to make it easier for me, but jeeze why can't we just install a PPD and be done with it! Curse you HP, its just printing FCS!) -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/01/2015 06:23 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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There's a strong thread in this thread of discussion that people who stay loyal to one brand seem to have success with it, for whatever that brand is. Its more an issue of the Devil you know being better than the one you don't I suspect.

I got once burned on a Konica and never went back. I use HP, (not exclusively) but I am appalled at the amount of software you have to install just to get them to work properly. +1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd

On 02/05/15 20:11, John Andersen wrote: they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert!

(I've been through it enough times to make it easier for me, but jeeze why can't we just install a PPD and be done with it! Curse you HP, its just printing FCS!)

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+1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert! It has been said that Linux makes you pay with time and work instead of money. Just once, though.

However, I don't understand your difficulties with YaST and cups. Of course you don't and I don't expect anyone here to either. You are an expert, probably of many years standing! I am amazed and gratified by

On 02/05/15 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote: the time and attention you and others have spared me.

I find them very easier, much easier than the Windows procedures. And HP printers just work — maybe there are exceptions. FWIW, with windows, you switch on the printer and windows comes back with new hardware and then there's a button to either OK or cancel. On motorola you download the app and start it. No Yast or cups or localhost.

I'm not trying to knock Linux in anyway. For some stuff like file servers I'm sure it's the best.

Maybe it is because I have seen really complicated things in the past.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-02 21:37, jdd wrote:

So with Windows most new hardware works (most, I have example of new hardware not working), but many older don't and wont ever work.

Ah, yes. They make the drivers for the Windows versions available at release time, and maybe not all of them. Some time later, there is a new Windows release, but the manufacturer of your gadget doesn't make the driver for it... you are stuck. On Linux, once the support for a gadget is included, it stays. In theory, forever, but at least longer than in Windows. As the sources for all the gadgets are included, they simply build it all again... Eventually, if nobody uses that gadget anymore, the software "bitrots" and stops working, because nobody tests and reports the problems.

on Linux, for some brands, most hardware works. some brands will never work. Sometime, you only have to ask the right person and it works (for printers, gutenprint team).

no world if perfect :-(

Yes. In Linux, you must check if what you want to buy works, in advance. Specially cheap hardware: the trick is using the CPU in the computer, with a driver, instead of having a complex gadget with cpu and complete software (firmware) inside. Example: winprinters. Some modems. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVFKlQACgkQja8UbcUWM1xh5AD+OBk2tRJxQVwlYDmhPmZC60+l duVK61AIA8UA4x2SqcoA/jDJFL7w0co2wCcAuUaR1vNF50MYnm31ktLILqTTG5cX =9Ytl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/02/2015 03:27 PM, buhorojo wrote:

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+1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert! It has been said that Linux makes you pay with time and work instead of money. Just once, though.

However, I don't understand your difficulties with YaST and cups. Of course you don't and I don't expect anyone here to either. You are an expert, probably of many years standing! I am amazed and gratified by

On 02/05/15 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote: the time and attention you and others have spared me.

That's why we stay on this list, to help with the problems we learned answers to in the past. We are all volunteers and we are paying for our use of linux by helping others. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/05/15 16:47, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

On 05/02/2015 03:27 PM, buhorojo wrote:

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On 2015-05-02 20:29, buhorojo wrote:

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+1 It's impossible for a beginner to install. I used Linux some years ago and hardware like printers and scanners needed a weekend's work to get anything like what you got with an hour or so with windows and the cd they gave you. HP still give you a cd but it has no linux content. There seems to have been little progress with installation and even though I'm reasonably literate, I can't get anywhere near the quality I see from my 'phone using a simple download-and-print-app. The app takes about a minute to install, it detects the printer and that's it. I can only conclude that everyone here is a Linux expert! It has been said that Linux makes you pay with time and work instead of money. Just once, though.

However, I don't understand your difficulties with YaST and cups. Of course you don't and I don't expect anyone here to either. You are an expert, probably of many years standing! I am amazed and gratified by

On 02/05/15 21:03, Carlos E. R. wrote: the time and attention you and others have spared me.

That's why we stay on this list, to help with the problems we learned answers to in the past. We are all volunteers and we are paying for our use of linux by helping others.

OK I'm getting somewhere. The 4500 works with Ubuntu. You just turn it on near the ap, put the password into it and that's it. The first time you have to print just one word but after that it's instantaneous. It's just as good quality as with android. They think the opensuse problem is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups Do we have anything like that? And dhcp (?). But don't I have dhcp anyway if I can print something? And it works from a 'phone? And stupid. I didn't take my laptop to test on their wifi. TIA for your patience. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/04/2015 05:49 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2015-05-04 20:23, buhorojo wrote:

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OK I'm getting somewhere. The 4500 works with Ubuntu.

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You just turn it on near the ap, put the password into it and that's it. The first time you have to print just one word but after that it's instantaneous. It's just as good quality as with android.

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They think the opensuse problem is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups Do we have anything like that?

What do you see in that page that can be the problem? :-o :-?

As far as I can see, it is the CUPS package list, and of course we have CUPS in openSUSE.

Or do you mean is there a mean with openSuse where you can see past bug reports/posting or different packages available? Please clarify the point.

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And dhcp (?). But don't I have dhcp anyway if I can print something? And it works from a 'phone? And stupid. I didn't take my laptop to test on their wifi.

So, we didn't drill down and ask about the network, connectivity and addressing...

I don't see where DHCP comes into the picture. That's just the service, typically supplied by your router, that assigns IP addresses to all devices in your network.

Or... is it your problem that your Linux machine was not properly connecting to the network?

Ar you perhaps trying to connect directly, via wifi, to the printer? An ad-hoc connection? Instead of connecting your printer to the router, and everything accessing the printer via the router?

Who knows? perhaps when he started ubuntu it started a dhcp server, perhaps dnsmasq so that the machine not only gave the printer an IP address but knew what it was so they could communicate. It looks like there was a lot about the network, connectivity and addressing that we didn't ask buhorojo about while we were extolling our own favourites. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/05/15 23:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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OK I'm getting somewhere. The 4500 works with Ubuntu.

You just turn it on near the ap, put the password into it and that's it. The first time you have to print just one word but after that it's instantaneous. It's just as good quality as with android.

They think the opensuse problem is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups Do we have anything like that? What do you see in that page that can be the problem? :-o :-? They say it is up to date. More recent? Updated?

As far as I can see, it is the CUPS package list, and of course we have CUPS in openSUSE. In that case, theirs has something ours hasn't. I'm guessing it has the driver for the Envy series.

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And dhcp (?). But don't I have dhcp anyway if I can print something? And it works from a 'phone? And stupid. I didn't take my laptop to test on their wifi. I don't see where DHCP comes into the picture. That's just the service, typically supplied by your router, that assigns IP addresses to all devices in your network.

Or... is it your problem that your Linux machine was not properly connecting to the network?

Ar you perhaps trying to connect directly, via wifi, to the printer? An ad-hoc connection? Instead of connecting your printer to the router, and everything accessing the printer via the router?

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

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* Carlos E. R. [05-05-15 10:24]:

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On 2015-05-05 07:52, buhorojo wrote:

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On 04/05/15 23:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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What do you see in that page that can be the problem? :-o :-? They say it is up to date. More recent? Updated?

Well, yes, their version is more recent. They appear to use the 2 series, we are at 1.5. The reason for the delay is very complex, and not going to change soon (as in years). You can learn about it in the threads «Out of date CUPS...» and «Cups 2.0» of this mail list.

In particular this: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735404

yes/no :^) cups 2.0.x exists in development and Tw but not 13.2 or older. Remember that published versions get security and bug fixes but version updates are not necessarily supported or provided. You may install newer versions of any package but you may also be "jumping the fence" and need to "support yourself". ps: if you are going to use openSUSE, why are you looking at other distro's for version numbers which may or may not indicate feature differences? openSUSE *usually* somewhere has the latest packages available for nearly any program/library/..., and provides the venue for many of those other distros to build their packages. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/05/2015 11:23 AM, buhorojo wrote:

But I know that the Ubuntu version works. Wouldn't it be better for us all to have the latest software available?

Read those posts again. We do. its just not in the distribution DVD. The build service lets anyone build a package at whatever revision, whatever compile & link options and put together whatever 'distribution' package they want, with whatever installation defaults they want. if you want a DVD that install 13.2 but will only use BtrFS if the root partition is larger than 100G, you can. if you want an installation that creates /home, /usr. /var. /srv and makes them ALL ext4, you can. if you want an installation that does the installation with no user interaction what so ever, not offer the installer ANY option WHATSOEVER, you can. But read up on autoyast first. In the mean time, look, for example, at http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=cups&baseproject=openSUSE%3A13.2&search_devel=true&search_unsupported=true or perhaps play with options. ... which is in the "Printing" repository -- where else would it be? in particular, that leads to https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=Printing&package=cups and more specifically https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/cups/cups.chan... where you will find Fri Jan 16 16:00:20 UTC 2015 - tchvatal@suse.com - cups-2.0.1 update: * lengthy list of changes see the upstream CHANGES.txt that is distributed with the package * Disabling of sslv3 to mitigate poodle - Use gnutls to provide SSLOPtions configuration directive * openssl is no longer supported upstream * Remove the with-openssl-exception from license - Remove cups.sysconfig as it is not used with systemd based distros - Purposely lose support for SLE11 as it doubles size of some of the sections and keep suppor for openSUSE+SLE12 * even with the conditions we would have to go unencrypted only as needs newer gnutls, so don't bother with keeping the compat Of course most of us 'Whitebeards' know to try the search and the build service. We pass this wisdom down the next generation ... -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:18:27PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it

I wonder what effect that will have. :-?

it'll be prolematic for me, for sure -- _|_ _ __|_|_ ._ o| |_(_)(_)|_| ||_)||< | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/05/2015 06:42 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:18:27PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it

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I wonder what effect that will have. :-?

it'll be prolematic for me, for sure

Check and see if there is a print-server that has a parallel port output. That would solve your problem. --doug

Then start creating a bugzilla against factory to request it back.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

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On 5/5/2015 8:57 PM, Doug wrote:

On 05/05/2015 10:51 PM, Doug wrote:

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On 05/05/2015 06:42 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:18:27PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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- - Remove legacy paralel-port support as it is not really needed as most do not want it

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I wonder what effect that will have. :-?

it'll be prolematic for me, for sure

Check and see if there is a print-server that has a parallel port output. That would solve your problem.

--doug

Here's the solution, for under $10:

StarTech 6-Feet USB to Parallel Printer Adapter - M/M (ICUSB1284) by StarTech $9.96

Amazon to the rescue!

By all means get the Cat5 single port print server instead of USB. plug it into the back of your router and print from all computers and phones anywhere in the house. Way more versatility. http://amzn.com/B003CFATR4 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/06/2015 02:08 AM, buhorojo wrote:

On 06/05/15 07:33, John M Andersen wrote:

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On 5/5/2015 8:57 PM, Doug wrote:

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On 05/05/2015 10:51 PM, Doug wrote:

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it'll be prolematic for me, for sure

Check and see if there is a print-server that has a parallel port output. That would solve your problem.

--doug

Here's the solution, for under $10:

/snip/

By all means get the Cat5 single port print server instead of USB. plug it into the back of your router and print from all computers and phones anywhere in the house. Way more versatility.

http://amzn.com/B003CFATR4

I can't see how that is going to help. I want to use wifi, not usb. ???

Here's another single port print server from Newegg: TP-LINK TL-PS110P Fast Ethernet Print Server RJ45 Parallel http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704066&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Network+Print+Servers-_-N82E16833704066&gclid=CITgkJ-4rcUCFe1j7AodN3MAbg&gclsrc=aw.ds If your router does WiFi, as many do these days, your problem is solved. If not, then of course, you'll need a WiFi router, which also has wired Ethernet connections. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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On 05/05/15 15:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Well, yes, their version is more recent. They appear to use the 2 series, we are at 1.5. The reason for the delay is very complex, and not going to change soon (as in years). You can learn about it in the threads «Out of date CUPS...» and «Cups 2.0» of this mail list.

In particular this: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735404 Phew. So we know about this problem?

The problem with your printer? No.

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In that case, theirs has something ours hasn't. I'm guessing it has the driver for the Envy series. Maybe. In that case, you could write a bugzilla about it requesting the driver to be updated. Not cups, the driver. But I know that the Ubuntu version works. Wouldn't it be better for us all to have the latest software available?

Nope. Because sometimes it is not possible. The posts I mentioned and that bugzilla explains why. However, Patrick just said that the development version of openSUSE has cups 2. Maybe openSUSE 13.3 will have it, maybe not. Or, you can add the printing repo and install cups 2 now. I see it has version 2.0.2. Whether it will works, or add some other new problems, I don't know. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVI65kACgkQja8UbcUWM1y2UQD9E+Bnctvvm8AEWEpLFRHPGbtb 15wgUwg066GJy25c76sA/jYoN2EfLNWKtMGM44g7GHddExlkdSIBxih+YAhd9Jcb =qC86 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/05/2015 10:37 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 05/05/2015 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Or, you can add the printing repo and install cups 2 now. I see it has version 2.0.2. Whether it will works, or add some other new problems, I don't know.

Some info here https://lwn.net/Articles/615716/ -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/05/2015 05:22 PM, buhorojo wrote:

On 05/05/15 19:37, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 05/05/2015 12:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Or, you can add the printing repo and install cups 2 now. I see it has version 2.0.2. Whether it will works, or add some other new problems, I don't know.

See https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/Printing/cups?repository=openSUS...

for the specific RPMs.

Mmm. That looks close. What's the procedure? The two latest posts give a choice (I think). I get the specific RPMs, or I add the printing repo. Do we have instructions or methods for those?

Read what it says! Those RPMs are in the 'Printing' repository for 13.2 yes you can download the RPMs one by one and install them, but why not add the repository using zypper or yast and those RPMs and others will be available when you use 'yast2 sw-single' or 'zypper in' and will take care of dependencies and consistency, which doing single RPMs by hand won't. Do read up on that, its there in various documentation and probably in the suse-wiki. The only way to see if the way the openSuse/Printing CUPS2.0 has been built and if it delivers the same functionality as the ubuntu version is to try it. I *STRONGLY* suggest you do what Carlos suggested and add the Printing repo and install CUPS2. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-05-06 01:48, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Maybe this is a stupid question. How do I install the printing that ubuntu has on opensuse? Is this what is meant by version 2.0.2?

There are no *stupid* questions, but there are questions w/o much basis. You are running openSUSE, *use* openSUSE packages. They are build for openSUSE and *buntu packages are built for *buntu. openSUSE != *buntu.

He simply means install in openSUSE the same package set that he already knows that works in Ubuntu. Not installing ubuntu packages on opensuse. Language barrier ;-) And the printing repo has the same cups version as ubuntu, so it should work, if that is the problem. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVJXRkACgkQja8UbcUWM1yQ4gEAlYsazj1q/l2ffigNDfDjoh21 qPEg7fx535SYYKd4wzsA/RH241C9VFaDJSGOLVhwCSBsseOjbgnXWaOJ3+cPWfN1 =oG3m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/02/2015 11:57 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2015-05-02 20:11, John Andersen wrote:

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I use HP, (not exclusively) but I am appalled at the amount of software you have to install just to get them to work properly.

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(I've been through it enough times to make it easier for me, but jeeze why can't we just install a PPD and be done with it! Curse you HP, its just printing FCS!)

If you choose a printer that talks postscript via the network, you do not need to install hplip. Mine worked out of the box, with cups.

Later I installed it, but I do not use their applet. Instead, the printer has its own web page for control, and I use that.

As long as you are only talking about JUST printers that might be true. (However even then, some functionality is often lost, such as two-sided printing, etc.) Once you venture into an All-in-One sort of device, you end up sacrificing functionality with the ppd-Only route . - -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlVFI18ACgkQv7M3G5+2DLJ0eACeM+4acIavI3SzArQDeuImqO62 2AwAnA/cBsuYY7XZ9/NPHfX84U2zsw/T =Gv7q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-30 14:27, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:

If you're printing more than a couple thousand pages a year, I don't think a inkjet makes sense.

Even if you print once a month, it doesn't. If you don't use the ink printer often, the head obstructs. And with non original ink, it obstructs earlier. I had to use my previous ink printer at least once a week to keep it in working condition; and each power-up means a head clean procedure, which in essence is just squirting a bit of ink into a sponge. A waste. If I had to print an important letter after two weeks, it took me an hour to restore the head to good condition, because some of the nozzles were clogged. And that meant removing the cartridge and cleaning them with alcohol, then blowing through the other end while placing a tissue on the nozzles. Then testing. I learnt the trick from a professional. But it was a real nuisance. And if I had to print a hundred pages, the cartridge, or one of the colours, would empty mid-job. Get a laser! - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCI4sACgkQja8UbcUWM1xr7QD/YSoJ3fKFw6erjFSPUU02Udnv m3uPasliuZFpJEt4Zv0A/j954grWZu77EQ+mRDTqlHMaKnXHBHx3ufKzxmvuziXy =aPif -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-30 14:52, Anton Aylward wrote:

On 04/30/2015 08:43 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Get a laser!

I was in TigerDirect once when a guy was buying over 20 inkjet printers. I asked.

he told me that ink cartridges & nozzles were expensive; it was cheaper to buy printers bulk for the 'free' ink that comes with then and can cannibalise the nozzles.

:-) Yes, I heard this before. You get the printer cheap, but the refills are expensive. But my HP printer came with complimentary toner cartridges, half capacity. It was the same trick with photography: the primary thing was to sell you a camera. Then you had to buy rolls, developing, prints, albums, extra optics, flash, bags, cleaning kits, tripods, filters... the lot. Or get your own lab. Once you were hooked. And the extras were expensive.

So I have my Brother. It never clogs. I have spare cartridges and a spare drum in the closet (that *MY* closet not the one of Anxieties!) that I bought on heavy discount.

My laser cartridges include the drum, so they are more expensive. Four of them. But they last years, now that instead of printing books I read them on an e-reader. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCKWYACgkQja8UbcUWM1zgwgEAlE02VGAvm2bd7mt8exAWbdKA jOFWprZFPIIvqfGOz7IA/0U+sbwQXy6zkMaIUy7fzqowrO1ZUlgRz+XKLdPnAG6r =ft+n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 4/30/2015 5:27 AM, greg.freemyer@gmail.com wrote:

Xerox color laser printers can be had new for under $200.

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Axerox%20phaser%20printer

I got one a couple months ago. 3000 pages in. I've replaced 2 toner cartridges (black and cyan) About $20 each for the LD cartridges I'm buying.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005F0YDO4/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1430396494&sr=1&keywords=xerox+phaser+ld+toner

That looks interesting. That seems like high usage for a couple of months. Like 6 reams. Were the cartridges you had to replace the "starter" cartridges, or the regular size? Did you get the memory upgrade? or the Duplexer? -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-30 23:44, Greg Freemyer wrote:

I still have a Cannon MX922 printer for scanning / copying / duplex (and backup in case the Phaser dies). I bought the Xerox because I was having to mess with a ink cartridge every week or two and sometimes 2 or 3 times in one week. I was re-filling the ink myself to save money, but I simply got tired of messing with it.

That's the word for it: messy :-) That ink is hard to remove from hands. Awful if it goes to the table or clothes! Ruin! - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVCvfgACgkQja8UbcUWM1yA1wD+Ju+fg45hIpXDzwb+m/JVMWlP PQFhNOdS40nXpiElpU4BAJsGWumMN7621c4sRUDx8U9X/Hvfy5szoZ5kkEEFtssf =N8ci -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-29 22:46, buhorojo wrote:

On 29/04/15 20:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Maybe I'm expecting too much. I have to give the (borrowed) printers back tomorrow and I feel it only right I replace the ink I've wasted. This has been an expensive trial. I could have bought the HP for what I'm paying for the ink.

I think that a laser printer turns out cheaper in that respect. Toner doesn't dry out, there are no nozzles to clog, no head cleaning (which wastes ink). A refill can last years.

No one has mentioned the epson so I'm guessing that's a even more of non stater with linux.

I have a stand alone scanner from Epson, and works fine out of the box. I haven't tried their printers personally, but I understand they work fine. Of course, there may be models that don't. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlVBYXAACgkQja8UbcUWM1wORgEAmgEPQ8ntUtzx2y4o3XLgfjF3 pYX3b16soRObR/Lc+ZIA/RX8JVQOHm487h51h3xqG2b3dxoWMN+OB850ZiN4DbGS =KY0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 29.04.2015 um 21:26 schrieb buhorojo:

On 29/04/15 19:53, John Andersen wrote:

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On 2015-04-29 08:07, buhorojo wrote:

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On 29/04/15 01:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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http://www.openprinting.org/printers Hi I don't think they are up to date. Well, the "envy" are not even listed.

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This is why I bothered in the first place. The 'Suse' listing for this HP printer has everything I want: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/other/envy_4500_series.html Apparently

you need hplip 3.13.6. I see that my 13.1 has 3.13.10, so it should support it. New version of HPLIP-3.15.4 is available for upgrade direct from

On 04/29/2015 07:05 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: the HPLIP website.

See http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/novell.html

Note that regardless of how up to date the Opensuse versions appear they always seem crippled. Often they won't do two sided printing or won't read status of toner/ink or they won't do scanning from all-in-one models.

I don't know if this is some limitation imposed by HP or some patent wariness on Opensuse's part, or incompatibility with cups. I've learned never to use the OS packages and install from the above. The sequence of commands they offer there seemed to work perfectly. That makes a lot of sense. What a mess. I see that we're still at the configure make and make install stage with opensuse. It almost certainly explains why Yast gives only one resolution. I'm sure there is something else wrong too because it makes an awful noise whilst printing. With eprint, it sounds the same as via windows, and the quality is excellent.

It's years since I've built anything. Is it really a case of following the link? Are there gotchas¿ e.g. What do I do to lose the current yast mess and start again?

Thanks again for your patience.

I just tried it this afternoon (on 13.2), but some things could not be found for download with zypper and configure ended with an error, make was not possible. Sorry I can't give more details, as I didn't spend much time, just cut and paste the commands from the mentioned page. As my cheap all-in-one HP prints and scans ok, I just gave it up. Advantage would have been, when ink status etc. would work... Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona http://www.daniel-bauer.com room in Barcelona: https://www.airbnb.es/rooms/2416137 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/29/2015 06:50 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Well, no, actually in most cases, you should be able to configure print-only devices with yast or via Cups ( http:\\localhost:631 ). You should get all resolutions IFF you select the proper printer model. So your single resolution model speaks to something incomplete in your opensuse setup, but I'm kind of at a loss to know just what you might be missing.

The answer might be in the PPD. I have a Brother printer and there was a difference between the PPD that came with CUPS, played silly buqqers with <strike>gutenberg</strike> Ghostscript and more and the vendor's PPD that worked in BRscript. There are just too many GS options to worry about! Of course with CUPS I can have many logical printers. This Brother model can emulate an Epson a well :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/29/2015 02:07 AM, buhorojo wrote:

Well, I just want a printer to do what it says on the tin. Like with a 'phone. It seems that this is not possible with Linux. The Yast setup is like one of those old efforts from the 90's. You have to be an expert to even understand the wording!

Like everything, its in the configuration. I've given up on YAST for many things and configuring printers is among them. get a PPD specific to your printer and make use of that. CUPS has the option to use a supplied PPD. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/27/2015 01:12 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Hp dPrint cloud ready printer.

Meant to say hp ePrint. This feature is sort of nice occasion HP server, which some might consider a security issue. Also, I ignore the Opensuse distributed HPLIP package as it is backlevel, and only supplies limited functionality. I install direct from HP. http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/novell.html You only REALLY need to do this if you want to use all functions of a All-In-One printer on linux. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 17/04/15 20:23, Doug wrote:

There's insufficient information here. What is the model number of the printer? What kind of connections does it have? (Old parallel port, USB, Ethernet?) someone may make a wifi adapter that fits the existing printer connection.

It's 'Deskjet F2280'. It jams a lot, it won't feed card or photo paper unless we use sandpaper on the rollers each time. Thanks. It's a good idea, but I'd rather start again. I can print from my phone to a friend's HP 4500 and he can print over Internet too, both from his 'phone and from windows. On my laptop, Yast doesn't see the 4500. But it does see the 2280, so I wonder if I'm stuck with having to connect the printer to a computer, even though it is itself wifi. I like the look of the 4500. It's more solid, quieter and it prints on card. Dunno. Can I print from opensuse 13.2 to a HP 4500 without using a cable? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Also add the "Epson AcuLaser C1100" to opensuse... would be a BIG time saver .... André at 18-04-15 06:00 David C. Rankin wrote:

On 04/17/2015 07:42 AM, buhorojo wrote:

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13.2 Hi We currently have a HP printer which only works when the computer it is connected to is on. Is there a wifi printer we could use instead for laptops and phones? Whilst I can find information about the 'phone, no one has any information as to whether it will work from an opensuse laptop. Any recommendations based on experience using this setup? Thanks, B

I don't know if the computer it is connected to can be left - ON or if you have a network connection on the printer, but it is almost impossible to beat the rugged performance of the LaserJet series. I have owned the LJ3's, 4's, 4100's and 4200's and all still work great. (I recently lost a board in one of the LJ4's purchased in 1994 or 95.

If you have a Linux box you can leave running continually, it is hard to be a cups server setup where the printer is made available to both wired and wireless clients (including phones via avahi). Some of the newer printers have various published "Wifi" print capability, but I've yet to find one that works reliably. I'm interested to see the other solutions and recommendations posted.

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On 04/18/2015 12:00 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

but it is almost impossible to beat the rugged performance of the LaserJet series.

Rugged, yes! They seem to survive a lot of physical abuse. I've dropped them carting them, had them fall of desks. perhaps the casing suffers, but they keep on working. Perhaps there's a Timex mechanism inside? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org