I'm planning on an extended visit to the UK to look for a job (that I can't seem to find in the US). The family I will be staying with has AOL/DSL with a Voyager 105 USB connection. They say they can network to other computers. I don't know a thing about USB modems, or connecting through an XP box. Is it as simple as putting in a network card and setting the gateway? -- Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! - See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. NOTE: Please do not email me any attachments with Microsoft extensions. They are deleted on my ISP's server before I ever see them, and no bounce message is sent.
I would work on the resume. It is why you are not finding a job in the US. On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 18:30, Jim Sabatke wrote:
I'm planning on an extended visit to the UK to look for a job (that I can't seem to find in the US). The family I will be staying with has AOL/DSL with a Voyager 105 USB connection. They say they can network to other computers. I don't know a thing about USB modems, or connecting through an XP box. Is it as simple as putting in a network card and setting the gateway? -- Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! - See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke
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Jim wrote regarding '[SLE] Networking question' on Thu, Aug 19 at 19:38:
I'm planning on an extended visit to the UK to look for a job (that I can't seem to find in the US). The family I will be staying with has AOL/DSL with a Voyager 105 USB connection. They say they can network to other computers. I don't know a thing about USB modems, or connecting through an XP box. Is it as simple as putting in a network card and setting the gateway?
You've got a 20 year old cat? Hey - the other person commented on stuff from your website... Anyway, you can connect through the XP box if they turn on the internet connection sharing. You may have to manually configure the IP and gateway, etc, but that's about it. XP's sharing does work for web and email, which is probably most of what you want to do. You may have problems forwarding your H.323 and weird network game connections through, but otherwise passive ftp, http, ssh, and other sane protocols will work fine. :) --Danny
Danny Sauer wrote:
Jim wrote regarding '[SLE] Networking question' on Thu, Aug 19 at 19:38:
I'm planning on an extended visit to the UK to look for a job (that I can't seem to find in the US). The family I will be staying with has AOL/DSL with a Voyager 105 USB connection. They say they can network to other computers. I don't know a thing about USB modems, or connecting through an XP box. Is it as simple as putting in a network card and setting the gateway?
You've got a 20 year old cat? Hey - the other person commented on stuff from your website...
I do! And she really loves the puppy!
Anyway, you can connect through the XP box if they turn on the internet connection sharing. You may have to manually configure the IP and gateway, etc, but that's about it. XP's sharing does work for web and email, which is probably most of what you want to do. You may have problems forwarding your H.323 and weird network game connections through, but otherwise passive ftp, http, ssh, and other sane protocols will work fine. :)
--Danny
Thanks! Those are the protocols I need. I appreciate the response, as I didn't want to get there and have a huge can of worms to deal with. Now, if anyone knows of any IT Management jobs near Manchester........ -- Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! - See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. NOTE: Please do not email me any attachments with Microsoft extensions. They are deleted on my ISP's server before I ever see them, and no bounce message is sent.
On Friday 20 Aug 2004 17:25 pm, Jim Sabatke wrote:
Danny Sauer wrote: <SNIP>
You've got a 20 year old cat? Hey - the other person commented on stuff from your website...
I do! And she really loves the puppy!
I had a silver tabby who took a new lease on life at 21 when we got 2 kittens and she survived to 26 with no veteranary intervention at all.
Anyway, you can connect through the XP box if they turn on the internet connection sharing. You may have to manually configure the IP and gateway, etc, but that's about it. XP's sharing does work for web and email, which is probably most of what you want to do. You may have problems forwarding your H.323 and weird network game connections through, but otherwise passive ftp, http, ssh, and other sane protocols will work fine. :)
--Danny
Thanks! Those are the protocols I need. I appreciate the response, as I didn't want to get there and have a huge can of worms to deal with.
I'd be sorely tempted to think about using your Linux box as the gateway for the XP one - even with the potential complications of USB networking. IME (albeit limited) the Windows connection sharing can be temperamental - and it gives you the oportunity to demonstrate the robustness of Linux.
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
And there was me thinking they'd prefer chili sauce! Dylan -- "I see your Schwartz is as big as mine" -Dark Helmet
Dylan wrote:
I'd be sorely tempted to think about using your Linux box as the gateway for the XP one - even with the potential complications of USB networking. IME (albeit limited) the Windows connection sharing can be temperamental - and it gives you the oportunity to demonstrate the robustness of Linux.
I'd love to do that. As much as I love Linux, people who watch me go through constant upgrades to get new versions of software, along with all the grief involved, ask me pretty often why I put up with that. Windows users seldom need to upgrade their OS to run new software. Just try to compile or install an rpm of the latest gimp. It's an almost endless thread of library upgrades. I don't really mind doing it, but it does get annoying sometimes. Point is, XP users generally love their systems because it's easy. Installing software is easy. They put a disk in and it does the rest. They just need to hit "next" a few times. That said, I'm going to try to get them to setup a proper server. Of course, I haven't discussed performance or security here. -- Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! - See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. NOTE: Please do not email me any attachments with Microsoft extensions. They are deleted on my ISP's server before I ever see them, and no bounce message is sent.
On Saturday 21 August 2004 10:40 am, Jim Sabatke wrote:
I'd love to do that. As much as I love Linux, people who watch me go through constant upgrades to get new versions of software, along with all the grief involved, ask me pretty often why I put up with that. Windows users seldom need to upgrade their OS to run new software. Just try to compile or install an rpm of the latest gimp. It's an almost endless thread of library upgrades. I don't really mind doing it, but it does get annoying sometimes.
Point is, XP users generally love their systems because it's easy. Installing software is easy. They put a disk in and it does the rest. They just need to hit "next" a few times.
That said, I'm going to try to get them to setup a proper server.
Of course, I haven't discussed performance or security here.
Jim, the thing to do is setup the Linux box with a good solid version, mine is using SuSE 9.0, and simply let it work. If you have it doing all you need it to do and it does it reliably, why fool with success by doing what may be unnecessary updates? If you get your jollies doing updates then do that to another machine and dont fix the working machine. Of course you should watch for security updates and make those as necessary but updating for fun should be limited to your 'play' machine. The old adage about don'f fix what ain't broke especially applies to a server/router/gateway. Then you can impress your friends by telling them how long the gateway has been up without any problems at all. Richard
Richard wrote:
On Saturday 21 August 2004 10:40 am, Jim Sabatke wrote:
I'd love to do that. As much as I love Linux, people who watch me go through constant upgrades to get new versions of software, along with all the grief involved, ask me pretty often why I put up with that. Windows users seldom need to upgrade their OS to run new software. Just try to compile or install an rpm of the latest gimp. It's an almost endless thread of library upgrades. I don't really mind doing it, but it does get annoying sometimes.
Point is, XP users generally love their systems because it's easy. Installing software is easy. They put a disk in and it does the rest. They just need to hit "next" a few times.
That said, I'm going to try to get them to setup a proper server.
Of course, I haven't discussed performance or security here.
Jim, the thing to do is setup the Linux box with a good solid version, mine is using SuSE 9.0, and simply let it work. If you have it doing all you need it to do and it does it reliably, why fool with success by doing what may be unnecessary updates? If you get your jollies doing updates then do that to another machine and dont fix the working machine.
Of course you should watch for security updates and make those as necessary but updating for fun should be limited to your 'play' machine. The old adage about don'f fix what ain't broke especially applies to a server/router/gateway.
Then you can impress your friends by telling them how long the gateway has been up without any problems at all. Richard
With a server/gateway box, that's what I've done. However, application software is rapidly changing and maturing on Linux. For example, I use gimp quite a bit and the new features are often quite desirable and worthwhile, but the upgrade path can be painful, although I do manage it. The same is true for Firefox and Thunderbird at times. Once distributions start messing with glibc, glib, gtk, etc. it can become a bit of a mess. One more example. I just installed apt-get, which I'm really impressed with. I wanted to see if an interface program wouldn't be nice, so I got the source for synaptic (no rpms for 9.0 that I could find). I then went on an journey of missing xml and other libs that finally caused me to give up, for a while at least. BTW, apt-get may be a godsend here, as it tells me what is missint far better than YaST does. -- Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! - See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. NOTE: Please do not email me any attachments with Microsoft extensions. They are deleted on my ISP's server before I ever see them, and no bounce message is sent.
On Sunday 22 August 2004 16:15, Jim Sabatke wrote:
Richard wrote:
On Saturday 21 August 2004 10:40 am, Jim Sabatke wrote:
One more example. I just installed apt-get, which I'm really impressed with. I wanted to see if an interface program wouldn't be nice, so I got the source for synaptic (no rpms for 9.0 that I could find).
You did not look hard enough: ;) http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.0-i386/SRPMS.suser-rbos/synapti...
I then went on an journey of missing xml and other libs that finally caused me to give up, for a while at least.
Install the rpm with 'rpm -ihv synaptic-0.53-rb1.src.rpm' execute 'grep "^BuildRequires:" /usr/src/packages/SPECS/synaptic.spec' Every package named after "BuildRequires:" is needed for the build and should be installed (with apt). Once installed, the .src.rpm can be rebuilt with: rpmbuild --rebuild synaptic-0.53-rb1.src.rpm ;) Cheers, Leen
Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Sunday 22 August 2004 16:15, Jim Sabatke wrote:
You did not look hard enough: ;)
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.0-i386/SRPMS.suser-rbos/synapti...
;)
Cheers,
Leen
Thanks!!!!! -- Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! - See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. NOTE: Please do not email me any attachments with Microsoft extensions. They are deleted on my ISP's server before I ever see them, and no bounce message is sent.
On Sunday 22 August 2004 09:15 am, Jim Sabatke wrote:
With a server/gateway box, that's what I've done. However, application software is rapidly changing and maturing on Linux. For example, I use gimp quite a bit and the new features are often quite desirable and worthwhile, but the upgrade path can be painful, although I do manage it. The same is true for Firefox and Thunderbird at times. Once distributions start messing with glibc, glib, gtk, etc. it can become a bit of a mess.
I see your problem now. Once upon a time my main machine was my router/gateway and every time I changed it I could screw up the routing stuff. My solution was to get a cheap little box from a computer show for $50 bucks. Then I put in three nics and installed Suse 9.0 ( this was late last year). That became my router/server/gateway and now I can play with the main machine all I want without affecting the important one. The linux router/server box is quiet, no blower inside, and simply sits here and does what it should do. And my VoIP phone works after I screw up the main machine. Nice! RA
Jim Sabatke wrote:
Dylan wrote:
I'd be sorely tempted to think about using your Linux box as the gateway for the XP one - even with the potential complications of USB networking. IME (albeit limited) the Windows connection sharing can be temperamental - and it gives you the oportunity to demonstrate the robustness of Linux.
I'd love to do that. As much as I love Linux, people who watch me go through constant upgrades to get new versions of software, along with all the grief involved, ask me pretty often why I put up with that. Windows users seldom need to upgrade their OS to run new software. Just try to compile or install an rpm of the latest gimp. It's an almost endless thread of library upgrades. I don't really mind doing it, but it does get annoying sometimes.
Point is, XP users generally love their systems because it's easy. Installing software is easy. They put a disk in and it does the rest. They just need to hit "next" a few times.
That said, I'm going to try to get them to setup a proper server.
Of course, I haven't discussed performance or security here.
A lesson on gnome! SuSE has always provided a token gnome environment that always lags behind the current version, it's basically a KDE based distro. Gnome was based on CDE and at the height of the religeous wars over the QT license, RedHat decided to use CDE. I thought OK, I'll install CDE, then reckoned someone was pulling my willy. I've worked with CDE on Solaris a heck of a lot since then and found it to be brain dead. SuSE 9.1 came with gnome 2.4, just after 2.6 was out, you've seen various updates of KDE 3.2.x and now 3.3.0, you still haven't seen a 2.6.x update of gnome and when you see it gnome will be 2.7.x or later. Gnome is not put together, it's thrown together and if you get the urge to build 2.6 apps on 2.4, buy a rod and bait and go fishing instead. I've even found that installing a new version of gnome today and trying to compile a later gnome app a few weeks on can be troublesome, you may find (as I understand there is a recent published article saying so), you spend a day downloading one dependancy after another to get your new apps to build and just may be, working, but you've probably broken a number of other apps, I've done so in the past - citing gnomemeeting which I eventually got to build, but it complained about something during execution and other apps were cratered in the process. I've even had disappointments using ULB gnome. Then there is garnome, great idea till I ran into build problems, no problem, join the garnome mailing list, that should sort it, but all I see is one release after another, none of which ever gives a clean build. So on SuSE 9.1, get a gimp 2.0.3 (latest), install that and impress your Windows buddies, try a 2.1.x source and be prepared for a bad hair day. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:30:15 +0100 Sid Boyce
SuSE 9.1 came with gnome 2.4, just after 2.6 was out, you've seen various updates of KDE 3.2.x and now 3.3.0, you still haven't seen a 2.6.x update of gnome and when you see it gnome will be 2.7.x or later.
Hmmm. I pointed apt at the gnome component on ftp.gwdg.de - it fetched a bunch of stuff, and now the gnome splash screen on my SuSE 9.1 system says gnome 2.6. The only thing I had to watch out for was to *not* upgrade mozilla - the gnome browsers on my system would be deleted if I did (they have an inflexible dependency on the older mozilla modules). I have not tried compiling apps for gnome. But so far on SuSE 9.1 the main place for me that kde was "smoother" than gnome was when I wanted to add some sort of menu (list) to a panel. With kde, I can "pull" the menu list object into the panel - but gnome "pulls" only launchers (not menus). mikus
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