Re: [opensuse] [OT] Navigation systems friendly to Linux? [Was: Google and Mozilla pull the plug on Adobe Flash: Tech giants disable the program on browsers following 'critical' security flaw]
On 7/17/2015 01:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But I don't like the hassle of using a phone for navigation in a car. Frankly, the TomTom is much more comfortable to use. It snaps into place in seconds, power connection to the car included. But yes, using a phone as phone and as car navigation is cheaper than having both devices. I've never used the high-end navigation modules, but both the low-end Garmins I used were terrible.
I now use MapFactor Navigator Free on my Samsung tablet, and it works beautifully. I'd rather have Google, but I'd even more rather have the money needed for the data usage. Mapfactor uses OpenStreetMaps for free, and you can buy Tom-Tom maps. OSM has never failed me. Last I heard, Google will cache only the maps needed for your pre-planned trip. If you deviate even a little, you're in Google Wilderness. MapFactor solves that; I can explore all I want. John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2015-07-24 at 21:55 +0200, John Perry wrote:
On 7/17/2015 01:02, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But I don't like the hassle of using a phone for navigation in a car. Frankly, the TomTom is much more comfortable to use. It snaps into place in seconds, power connection to the car included. But yes, using a phone as phone and as car navigation is cheaper than having both devices. OSM has never failed me.
How little press OpenStreetMap has gotten in this thread is surprising. I have been similarly impressed with OSM. -- Adam Tauno Williams mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org GPG D95ED383 Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-07-28 19:29, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Fri, 2015-07-24 at 21:55 +0200, John Perry wrote:
How little press OpenStreetMap has gotten in this thread is surprising. I have been similarly impressed with OSM.
I have tried two android applications at least that use it. The one I have currently installed is BeOnRoad. I find it lacking, compared to my TomTom. It gives few voiced instructions, for instance. On "roundabouts" it says some thing like: "turn left, then turn right", which is next to useless. The TomTom instead says to take the third or whatever exit in the roundabout. Apparently to get more instructions, you have to pay for addons to the application. So yes, the OSM map is very good, but the actual applications using it are lacking. Unless there are better apps that I have not yet tried :-? Google maps is surprisingly good, gives good instructions mostly. [soapbox/rant start] And this reminds me: an Spanish bus crashed its roof under a bridge on Lille, two days ago (many were injured). Apparently the driver took a slightly different route trusting the GPS device instructions, and didn't see the probably insufficient signalling of the low height of the bridge. The navigators I have tried do not take into account the size of the vehicle you are driving. They try to route the shorter or the fastest route, not the easiest or more sensible. A narrow street maybe shorter or faster (in theory), maybe acceptable for a small car, but not for a big bus or lorry. All this should be standardized and institutionalized. Navigators should be mandatory on all vehicles. Authorities should be able to send modifications on short term, like road closed, or climate hazards. And maps should have road condition and size and height data. This should not be on the whim of private companies. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 07/28/2015 08:59 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The navigators I have tried do not take into account the size of the vehicle you are driving.
That's true. And things become even more complicated when you go with 2 different-sized vehicles. My wife and I were on holiday by bike and by tractor (MF135). Sometimes it was hard to find a bike route without narrow bridges and barrier posts at the end. On that ~800km, sometimes I had to return and find an alternative route (~10 times). We always had the best bet with old-style biking maps ... and a good portion of power of observation. We've been asked if we were using GPS, and we responded: "well, that doesn't work quite well; so we sure have our satellite with us, but we left the navigation device at home." ;-) I know the market for such a bike/tractor combination is quite small, but if someone knows a navigation system which can handle both, slow tractors and bikes at the same time, then I'm all open, he, he. ;-))) Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-29 07:37, Bernhard Voelker wrote:
We've been asked if we were using GPS, and we responded: "well, that doesn't work quite well; so we sure have our satellite with us, but we left the navigation device at home." ;-)
LOL.
I know the market for such a bike/tractor combination is quite small,
It sounded so strange that you wanted a gps with a tractor, that I had to google mf135 to make sure I read you right. LOL. You can drive that in a straight line, forget roads! X'-) (joking/kidding)
but if someone knows a navigation system which can handle both, slow tractors and bikes at the same time, then I'm all open, he, he. ;-)))
Yes, any combination. I don't see companies doing all that is needed if there is no money in it. It has to be a large open project, or s joint government (ie, EU) organization, same as GSM, which is a huge success. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlW4xpsACgkQja8UbcUWM1xLlwEAnoV95Ocu9hhChKPVqEHhxI9z HX8lX8HiC5d3L14w7O4A/iKy4e24SXADraGmodhpdfq1BVVLfBPMz3yIt6k4Tsm9 =6mgP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 29/07/2015 14:27, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Yes, any combination. I don't see companies doing all that is needed if there is no money in it. It has to be a large open project, or s
in some countries, drivers with no licence can drive small cars, but with limited authorization (no highway...). I have to (for falmily), and do not find either GPS with such capability I would like to see such GPS "open" (like in "open source", because I know they are Linux and I could probably hack them :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-29 15:00, jdd wrote:
in some countries, drivers with no licence can drive small cars, but with limited authorization (no highway...).
Yes. We have them in Spain.
I would like to see such GPS "open" (like in "open source", because I know they are Linux and I could probably hack them :-)
Yep. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlW40NkACgkQja8UbcUWM1yLsAD/ce1UsUGEe3dFIbEdRa0J95dq q/1BURG748cEfrcRXs8A/3ImFF/1VWErBFAEy70BrpZ+/fEC/FmjCjL/eeFJjXbD =15fp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/29/2015 09:00 AM, jdd wrote:
in some countries, drivers with no licence can drive small cars, but with limited authorization (no highway...).
Then there are people who refuse to drive on "highways" - presumabnly you mean the limited access, higher speed major routes termed 'motorways', 'autobahns', 'autostrada', 'interstates', 'throughways', 'Autoroutes', - by choice. perhaps they are nervous. Personally I find the highways less stressful that the stop-go-lanechange high micro-decision load of driving on the alternative routes, but so what. Don't some map systems have a 'no highway' option? "Show scenic route" option? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-29 15:22, Anton Aylward wrote:
Don't some map systems have a 'no highway' option? "Show scenic route" option?
My TomTom has the option to avoid "payware" highways. Toll? Unsure of the word. I miss options for scenic routes, but specially an option for "easy route". Avoid turns, avoid mountain roads (Spain is very hilly). Stick to main routes. In cities, select order of preferences: I prefer going via the circle highway outside of the city than crossing the middle, that is shorter (in theory). I can do nothing of that, but I haven't seen it either in other apps. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlW43AIACgkQja8UbcUWM1zykAD/YqXzUWRbhld5inv/UAsdCli8 ylpCRY1qmK/9IMrmSnsBAJGCujTR5W0UpH1dN03aa5+jcO1uCh0R760Cr26L7EiS =Ygwr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/29/2015 09:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-07-29 15:22, Anton Aylward wrote:
Don't some map systems have a 'no highway' option? "Show scenic route" option?
My TomTom has the option to avoid "payware" highways. Toll? Unsure of the word.
I miss options for scenic routes, but specially an option for "easy route". Avoid turns, avoid mountain roads (Spain is very hilly).
As are many other places. Geography is like that :-)
Stick to main routes. In cities, select order of preferences: I prefer going via the circle highway outside of the city than crossing the middle, that is shorter (in theory).
HoHoHo. The M25 and the North Circular are 'notorious' as London 'bypass'. When I lived in Kent and travelled backwards and forward to my parents place west of London I found taking the Western Avenue route into the city then back streets (avoid Marble Arch!) to emerge onto the A2 and then the highway, avoiding the Dover route was much faster. Once and once only I tried the M25 and spent most of a day on it. At one point I got out, left my then g/f at the wheel, walked to an intersection/off ramp, down to the nearby "7/11" equivalent[1] and came back with water, juice and snacks. She'd moved the car about a quarter mile. On the way back I met a policeman who asked my why I was on foot. I explained my errand. Well, strictly speaking what I was doing was illegal, the motorways are 'no pedestrian zones'. He told me to go back to my car. The last I saw of him he was setting off to the "7/11".
I can do nothing of that, but I haven't seen it either in other apps.
I heard that some maps have a "don't use left turn" option. Presumably that would be right turn in the UK, Japan and Australia. More useful downtown than on the suburban routes. And anyway, many places have a no left turn sign/policy for certain times of day. How do the mapping systems cope with that? [1] https://www.7-eleven.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-07-29 18:01, Anton Aylward wrote: ...
illegal, the motorways are 'no pedestrian zones'. He told me to go back to my car. The last I saw of him he was setting off to the "7/11".
LOL. No, I haven't seen that bad on the M30 (Madrid). However, on the Castellana or Alcalá street, yes.
And anyway, many places have a no left turn sign/policy for certain times of day. How do the mapping systems cope with that?
That's why I said we need a mandatory standard, and have authorities send changes on short notice. Short mean minutes. As long as the navigators are made by private companies or small efforts, the road authorities will not provide road information on the minute to devices. How would they? Also, with such a regulation, the makers would be mandated to cope with things like vehicle class and limitations. (The only thing that regulators have done in Spain, for instance, is to forbid manipulating it while driving.) Linux? We don't stand a chance. We don't have a hardware platform on which to easily install and run Linux, competing with Android. With a desktop that pops a keypad as soon as needed. Currently installing Linux on a tablet is a nightmare, I'm told... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 07/29/2015 09:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
avoid mountain roads
In some areas, avoiding mountain roads means you can't go anywhere. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 30/07/2015 13:14, James Knott a écrit :
On 07/29/2015 09:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
avoid mountain roads
In some areas, avoiding mountain roads means you can't go anywhere. ;-)
to stay in chart, I would note that if that was open source, the user needs could be better achieved jdd. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-30 13:14, James Knott wrote:
On 07/29/2015 09:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
avoid mountain roads
In some areas, avoiding mountain roads means you can't go anywhere. ;-)
True enough. But often there is a highway farther away, a longer route, which the navigator discards because it appears too long compared to the high mountain road. It means adjusting priorities in software, that is not open and customizable. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlW6DW4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1yg0wD+KUBF0ovCovfcEmRDzOJc9ecP xQHBZ/MAmn0+Sz28P0kA/A3Jj4p16F0V8ur10APEdaP17+6HxQWnCVtiV1UBTMCK =LkJ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/30/2015 07:14 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 07/29/2015 09:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
avoid mountain roads
In some areas, avoiding mountain roads means you can't go anywhere. ;-)
Or you can only go round and round in circles in the flat area between the mountains. In the western USA that a pretty bug area but in, say, Kent, southern England, the ridge-like of the Weald, a chalkstone ridge running across a few counties from Guildford to Rochester then along to Dover. Some places, especially near the cost are ridge after ridge that make driving even a mile or two a roller-coaster ride. No, there in the flatland, you can drive round and round and round about Maidstone where there are many tourist attractions in particular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_Castle That being said, the railway lines navigate low gradient paths involving cuttings, bridges; some of which are noteworthy in their own right. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Anton Aylward
On 07/30/2015 07:14 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 07/29/2015 09:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
avoid mountain roads
In some areas, avoiding mountain roads means you can't go anywhere. ;-)
Or you can only go round and round in circles in the flat area between the mountains. In the western USA that a pretty bug area but in, say, Kent, southern England, the ridge-like of the Weald, a chalkstone ridge running across a few counties from Guildford to Rochester then along to Dover. Some places, especially near the cost are ridge after ridge that make driving even a mile or two a roller-coaster ride. No, there in the flatland, you can drive round and round and round about Maidstone where there are many tourist attractions in particular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_Castle
That being said, the railway lines navigate low gradient paths involving cuttings, bridges; some of which are noteworthy in their own right.
-- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? AS IS off-topic posting.
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Le 29/07/2015 15:22, Anton Aylward a écrit :
Don't some map systems have a 'no highway' option?
yes, but don't works well. May be it's a road classification problem. I don't know how openstreetmap classify roads jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/29/2015 09:00 AM, jdd wrote:
I would like to see such GPS "open" (like in "open source", because I know they are Linux and I could probably hack them :-)
I think you are mistaken. The GPS is there; the code is available. any coders have written Android/iOS applications based on it. What you are asking for is really open MAPS and yes they do exist. Just pulling up darktable -- a Linux application -- as an example to see the maps for the GPS values embedded in some photos I see OpenStreetMap MapsForFree OpenCycleMap and more. You might look at the darktable source for the way it does the GPS to map location and adapt that. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-29 15:35, Anton Aylward wrote:
What you are asking for is really open MAPS and yes they do exist.
open maps do exist. But I'm unsure about open source navigation apps, which is not the same as map viewing apps. For example, beonroad requests you add a payware plugin to add features, that are needed for navigation. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlW45h0ACgkQja8UbcUWM1yaXwD+Jj8KUnwK5cTa3Sk/lo8YZERe lnvQW/9ET+XVL3miPfcA/AkQ/qvBjmVd+r9fn4WBUcOOnnxDsrYLMxg70HbuHOFI =dFhW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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