[opensuse] Video clips on CNN.COM International and US editions
This website is my source for foreign news, and I use both the US and International editions. There are problems with both, but they are different. The International edition is still using the video display format that has been standard for a few years. Example: http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/09/02/damon-libya- tripoli-security.cnn?&hpt=hp_c2 although there is nothing specific about this one. It displays well, and the only trouble with it is that it needs a larger buffer than it has, because it is interrupted every few seconds while it catches up. This is not a new problem, and has been annoying for a long time. I am still able to use this site. Is there a way for me to enlarge the video buffer? How? The US edition has two video display modes, a) the same as that described above (with the same problem), and b) a newer and niftier, apparently still experimental mode, which occupies more of the main Firefox window, does not have the buffer problem, and until a day or two ago was a pleasure to use. Now, however, no clips function in either mode on the US edition. Clicking on any link to a clip causes FF to put up a large error-message frame announcing that "The connection was reset.....", and the tab to say "Problem loading page". Pressing the Back key returns me to the previous (non-video) page. Presumably not every viewer of the site encounters this problem, so I would like to find a way to diagnose what is happening, and hopefully to work around it. Here is an example of a problematic clip, but again, any other on the site would do as well (or as poorly): http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/topvideos/2011/09/02/nr-suspect- urinates-in-court-trash.cnn?hpt=hp_t2 Firefox identifies itself thus: 5.0 Firefox for openSUSE openSUSE 11.4 -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/09/11 20:30, Stan Goodman wrote:
This website is my source for foreign news, and I use both the US and International editions. There are problems with both, but they are different.
The International edition is still using the video display format that has been standard for a few years. Example:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/09/02/damon-libya- tripoli-security.cnn?&hpt=hp_c2
although there is nothing specific about this one. It displays well, and the only trouble with it is that it needs a larger buffer than it has, because it is interrupted every few seconds while it catches up. This is not a new problem, and has been annoying for a long time. I am still able to use this site. Is there a way for me to enlarge the video buffer? How?
The US edition has two video display modes, a) the same as that described above (with the same problem), and b) a newer and niftier, apparently still experimental mode, which occupies more of the main Firefox window, does not have the buffer problem, and until a day or two ago was a pleasure to use.
Now, however, no clips function in either mode on the US edition. Clicking on any link to a clip causes FF to put up a large error-message frame announcing that "The connection was reset.....", and the tab to say "Problem loading page". Pressing the Back key returns me to the previous (non-video) page. Presumably not every viewer of the site encounters this problem, so I would like to find a way to diagnose what is happening, and hopefully to work around it. Here is an example of a problematic clip, but again, any other on the site would do as well (or as poorly):
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/topvideos/2011/09/02/nr-suspect- urinates-in-court-trash.cnn?hpt=hp_t2
Firefox identifies itself thus: 5.0 Firefox for openSUSE openSUSE 11.4
My response may be of no satisfaction to you but I can view the above videos you mention without any problems. The first thing which comes to my mind is: when was the last time you did an upgrade/update to your system? For example, flash was upgraded a day or so ago. Also, I am using Firefox #9 (Nightly) [although I think that the official FF version now available for oS 11.4 is #6] on a 32-bit os 11.4 KDE 4.7 system with 1.5GB of RAM and have never 'fiddled' with any buffering settings (didn't even know that such a thing exists - does it?) BC -- Bob Hope's wife: "Where would like to be buried when you die?" Bob Hope : "Why don't you surprise me!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 03 September 2011 17:43:20 Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/09/11 20:30, Stan Goodman wrote:
This website is my source for foreign news, and I use both the US and International editions. There are problems with both, but they are different.
The International edition is still using the video display format that has been standard for a few years. Example:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/09/02/damon-libya- tripoli-security.cnn?&hpt=hp_c2
although there is nothing specific about this one. It displays well, and the only trouble with it is that it needs a larger buffer than it has, because it is interrupted every few seconds while it catches up. This is not a new problem, and has been annoying for a long time. I am still able to use this site. Is there a way for me to enlarge the video buffer? How?
The US edition has two video display modes, a) the same as that described above (with the same problem), and b) a newer and niftier, apparently still experimental mode, which occupies more of the main Firefox window, does not have the buffer problem, and until a day or two ago was a pleasure to use.
Now, however, no clips function in either mode on the US edition. Clicking on any link to a clip causes FF to put up a large error-message frame announcing that "The connection was reset.....", and the tab to say "Problem loading page". Pressing the Back key returns me to the previous (non-video) page. Presumably not every viewer of the site encounters this problem, so I would like to find a way to diagnose what is happening, and hopefully to work around it. Here is an example of a problematic clip, but again, any other on the site would do as well (or as poorly):
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/topvideos/2011/09/02/nr-suspect- urinates-in-court-trash.cnn?hpt=hp_t2
Firefox identifies itself thus: 5.0 Firefox for openSUSE openSUSE 11.4
My response may be of no satisfaction to you but I can view the above videos you mention without any problems.
Nothing could surprise me less.
The first thing which comes to my mind is: when was the last time you did an upgrade/update to your system? For example, flash was upgraded a day or so ago.
I have not updated or upgraded lately. My Flash plugin is 11.0.1.60_beta1-1.1. Oddly, the available is 10.3.183.7-0.2.1; does it want me to fall back? The available Firefox is 6.0-2.2.1. I'll upgrade to that. I don't know why it didn't do this automatically, which is what usually happens. The system is 64bit, I neglected to say.
Also, I am using Firefox #9 (Nightly) [although I think that the official FF version now available for oS 11.4 is #6] on a 32-bit os 11.4 KDE 4.7 system with 1.5GB of RAM and have never 'fiddled' with any buffering settings (didn't even know that such a thing exists - does it?)
I have no idea, which is why I asked. But the only explanation I see for the behavior of the older display mode is that it needs more buffer. Thanks... -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/09/03 18:17 (GMT+0300) Stan Goodman composed:
The available Firefox is 6.0-2.2.1. I'll upgrade to that.
Actually that's old. The latest FF is 6.0.1, but not yet available in openSUSE repos, 4 days after Mozilla.org released its. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 12:07:39PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/09/03 18:17 (GMT+0300) Stan Goodman composed:
The available Firefox is 6.0-2.2.1. I'll upgrade to that.
Actually that's old. The latest FF is 6.0.1, but not yet available in openSUSE repos, 4 days after Mozilla.org released its.
We will be releasing them next week. The only change, the Diginotar CA revocation, is not relevant to Movie Playing. :) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 03 September 2011 17:43:20 Basil Chupin wrote:
The US edition has two video display modes, a) the same as that described above (with the same problem), and b) a newer and niftier, apparently still experimental mode, which occupies more of the main Firefox window, does not have the buffer problem, and until a day or two ago was a pleasure to use.
Now, however, no clips function in either mode on the US edition. Clicking on any link to a clip causes FF to put up a large error-message frame announcing that "The connection was reset.....", and the tab to say "Problem loading page". Pressing the Back key returns me to the previous (non-video) page. Presumably not every viewer of the site encounters this problem, so I would like to find a way to diagnose what is happening, and hopefully to work around it. Here is an example of a problematic clip, but again, any other on the site would do as well (or as poorly):
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/topvideos/2011/09/02/nr-suspect- urinates-in-court-trash.cnn?hpt=hp_t2
Firefox identifies itself thus: 5.0 Firefox for openSUSE openSUSE 11.4
My response may be of no satisfaction to you but I can view the above videos you mention without any problems.
The first thing which comes to my mind is: when was the last time you did an upgrade/update to your system? For example, flash was upgraded a day or so ago.
Also, I am using Firefox #9 (Nightly) [although I think that the official FF version now available for oS 11.4 is #6] on a 32-bit os 11.4 KDE 4.7 system with 1.5GB of RAM and have never 'fiddled' with any buffering settings (didn't even know that such a thing exists - does it?)
BC
I've upgraded FF and backgraded Flash as you suggested, and that has fixed the main problem. No doubt it was removing the Flash beta that did the trick. Since the CNN beta display functions well, and it will surely in time replace the older mode even on the International edition, that should be the end of the matter. But I am curious about why there should be an apparently too small buffer on the older display. My connection is 10MB ADSL -- I have checked it on the ISP's online speed monitor. What is imposing the frequent pauses for the display to catch up? The problem does not exist on other sites. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 04/09/11 08:37, Stan Goodman wrote:
On Saturday 03 September 2011 17:43:20 Basil Chupin wrote:
The US edition has two video display modes, a) the same as that described above (with the same problem), and b) a newer and niftier, apparently still experimental mode, which occupies more of the main Firefox window, does not have the buffer problem, and until a day or two ago was a pleasure to use.
Now, however, no clips function in either mode on the US edition. Clicking on any link to a clip causes FF to put up a large error-message frame announcing that "The connection was reset.....", and the tab to say "Problem loading page". Pressing the Back key returns me to the previous (non-video) page. Presumably not every viewer of the site encounters this problem, so I would like to find a way to diagnose what is happening, and hopefully to work around it. Here is an example of a problematic clip, but again, any other on the site would do as well (or as poorly):
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/topvideos/2011/09/02/nr-suspect- urinates-in-court-trash.cnn?hpt=hp_t2
Firefox identifies itself thus: 5.0 Firefox for openSUSE openSUSE 11.4 My response may be of no satisfaction to you but I can view the above videos you mention without any problems.
The first thing which comes to my mind is: when was the last time you did an upgrade/update to your system? For example, flash was upgraded a day or so ago.
Also, I am using Firefox #9 (Nightly) [although I think that the official FF version now available for oS 11.4 is #6] on a 32-bit os 11.4 KDE 4.7 system with 1.5GB of RAM and have never 'fiddled' with any buffering settings (didn't even know that such a thing exists - does it?)
BC I've upgraded FF and backgraded Flash as you suggested, and that has fixed the main problem.
Very glad to read that the problem has been resolved.
No doubt it was removing the Flash beta that did the trick. Since the CNN beta display functions well, and it will surely in time replace the older mode even on the International edition, that should be the end of the matter.
Cannot really answer that question except to say that while I upgrade/update my system on a daily basis and, in particular, upgrade my FF #9 Nightly daily, my wife does not - I do it for her, and she goes into "panic mode" whenever I tell her I am about to upgrade her copy of FF :-D (she's always worried about losing her forum data even though I do almost daily backups of her FF and TB). Anyway, the point of all this is that suddenly she could not view YouTube videos - but I had no problems with them. After I upgraded FF to the latest Nightly and also did a system "zypper patch" which I believe updated flash 10.3r181 she was once again able to view the videos.
But I am curious about why there should be an apparently too small buffer on the older display.
I have a feeling that it is FF which is "at fault". With version #8, and now #9, (both Nightlies, BTW) a new way of managing RAM was introduced which made FF much less resource-hungry - and made it FAST when compared to earlier versions.
My connection is 10MB ADSL -- I have checked it on the ISP's online speed monitor. What is imposing the frequent pauses for the display to catch up? The problem does not exist on other sites.
Interesting. Do you have any security add-ons which may have this CNN site targetted for 'special attention'? NoScript, Ghostery, ADBlock,...? Even though I have ADSL2+, with the distance I am from the phone exchange my speed is only averaging 200KB/s and yet I had absolutely no trouble in watching those videos on CNN - no stuttering, no pauses. BC -- Bob Hope's wife: "Where would like to be buried when you die?" Bob Hope : "Why don't you surprise me!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 04 September 2011 08:55:49 Basil Chupin wrote:
But I am curious about why there should
be an apparently too small buffer on the older display.
I have a feeling that it is FF which is "at fault". With version #8, and now #9, (both Nightlies, BTW) a new way of managing RAM was introduced which made FF much less resource-hungry - and made it FAST when compared to earlier versions.
I'm looking forward to the experience.
My connection is
10MB ADSL -- I have checked it on the ISP's online speed monitor. What is imposing the frequent pauses for the display to catch up? The problem does not exist on other sites.
Interesting. Do you have any security add-ons which may have this CNN site targetted for 'special attention'? NoScript, Ghostery, ADBlock,...?
I have NoScript and AdBlock. I should disable them one at a time, and see if that makes a difference.
Even though I have ADSL2+, with the distance I am from the phone exchange my speed is only averaging 200KB/s and yet I had absolutely no trouble in watching those videos on CNN - no stuttering, no pauses.
There is also another effect here, which I've learned to live with. If I switch pages in the browser, FF tells me (at the lower left of the window) immediately, of course, the URL of the new page, then about half a minute goes by until it says it's waiting for that URL, followed by the same time again until it says it's transmitting data. I attribute this to whatever is going on at the ISP, therefore beyond my control. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 04/09/11 18:27, Stan Goodman wrote:
On Sunday 04 September 2011 08:55:49 Basil Chupin wrote:
But I am curious about why there should
be an apparently too small buffer on the older display. I have a feeling that it is FF which is "at fault". With version #8, and now #9, (both Nightlies, BTW) a new way of managing RAM was introduced which made FF much less resource-hungry - and made it FAST when compared to earlier versions. I'm looking forward to the experience.
My connection is
10MB ADSL -- I have checked it on the ISP's online speed monitor. What is imposing the frequent pauses for the display to catch up? The problem does not exist on other sites. Interesting. Do you have any security add-ons which may have this CNN site targetted for 'special attention'? NoScript, Ghostery, ADBlock,...? I have NoScript and AdBlock. I should disable them one at a time, and see if that makes a difference.
Even though I have ADSL2+, with the distance I am from the phone exchange my speed is only averaging 200KB/s and yet I had absolutely no trouble in watching those videos on CNN - no stuttering, no pauses. There is also another effect here, which I've learned to live with. If I switch pages in the browser, FF tells me (at the lower left of the window) immediately, of course, the URL of the new page, then about half a minute goes by until it says it's waiting for that URL, followed by the same time again until it says it's transmitting data. I attribute this to whatever is going on at the ISP, therefore beyond my control.
What happens at the ISP end will, of course, affect the speed. Just now, for example, I did my daily update of the system. There is always one repository which has the slowest speed for any downloads (Packman) whereas any others are quite quick. But I thought of this overnight. Do you clear your cache (in FF) or have you cleared it? As you know often one has some setting captured in the cache which then affects subsequent accesses to that particular site. And the other is: doesn't flash have a settings menu which it remembers for a specific site? (Right-click on a video when playing and select Settings.) What do you have set for CNN? BC -- Bob Hope's wife: "Where would like to be buried when you die?" Bob Hope : "Why don't you surprise me!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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