[opensuse] Hardware problem
Hi all, I got a Hitachi 1TB hd last week. I could not get my system to see it. So I returned it for a replacement. I got the new drive yesterday and I just tryed it and it does not work. I'm sure that the motherboard is working, I moved the other hds around and I could see that the system at boot was finding the new hd. But it would skip it. Is it possible that I got two bad disks in a row? OR could it be that my motherboard can't use 1tb disks? The board is about three years old. Or anyother ideas before I return the disk for my money back? Thanks, JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 Ebay ID: WartHogBulletin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Hatridge wrote:
Hi all,
I got a Hitachi 1TB hd last week. I could not get my system to see it.
Hi Jim - _how_ was it not seen? Did the BIOS not recognize it?
I'm sure that the motherboard is working, I moved the other hds around and I could see that the system at boot was finding the new hd. But it would skip it.
Okay, your BIOS skips it - then my guess is that it is too big although I didn't think there was any special BIOS limit around the Terabyte level. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
HI Per, On Sunday 14 June 2009 09:08:19 Per Jessen wrote:
James Hatridge wrote:
Hi all,
I got a Hitachi 1TB hd last week. I could not get my system to see it.
Hi Jim - _how_ was it not seen? Did the BIOS not recognize it?
I'm sure that the motherboard is working, I moved the other hds around and I could see that the system at boot was finding the new hd. But it would skip it.
Okay, your BIOS skips it - then my guess is that it is too big although I didn't think there was any special BIOS limit around the Terabyte level.
During the boot the system would find the first 3 disks and then wait for 30-60 seconds. Then it would go on with the boot. I changed the cables around making the new disk #3 and my older disk #4. When I booted then it stopped at #3 for 30-60 seconds then skipped to #4 and found my old disk at #4. So I then had disks at #1,#2, and #4. I wonder about the disk being too big because the MB is about 3 years old and back then there was nothing bigger than about 500gb. I think I'll return it and get a little smaller one, say 600-750gb.
/Per
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.8°C)
Thanks, JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 Ebay ID: WartHogBulletin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 14 June 2009, James Hatridge wrote:
HI Per,
On Sunday 14 June 2009 09:08:19 Per Jessen wrote:
James Hatridge wrote:
Hi all,
I got a Hitachi 1TB hd last week. I could not get my system to see it.
Hi Jim - _how_ was it not seen? Did the BIOS not recognize it?
I'm sure that the motherboard is working, I moved the other hds around and I could see that the system at boot was finding the new hd. But it would skip it.
Okay, your BIOS skips it - then my guess is that it is too big although I didn't think there was any special BIOS limit around the Terabyte level.
During the boot the system would find the first 3 disks and then wait for 30-60 seconds. Then it would go on with the boot. I changed the cables around making the new disk #3 and my older disk #4. When I booted then it stopped at #3 for 30-60 seconds then skipped to #4 and found my old disk at #4. So I then had disks at #1,#2, and #4.
I wonder about the disk being too big because the MB is about 3 years old and back then there was nothing bigger than about 500gb.
I think I'll return it and get a little smaller one, say 600-750gb.
Silly question.. Did you swap cables or just the drive? Mike -- Powered by SuSE 11.0 Kernel 2.6.25 KDE 3.5 Kmail 1.9 10:22am up 2 days 1:44, 3 users, load average: 2.01, 2.11, 2.22 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Hatridge wrote:
During the boot the system would find the first 3 disks and then wait for 30-60 seconds. Then it would go on with the boot. I changed the cables around making the new disk #3 and my older disk #4. When I booted then it stopped at #3 for 30-60 seconds then skipped to #4 and found my old disk at #4. #So I then had disks at #1,#2, and #4.
This about it waiting 30-60 seconds doesn't sound right. That tends to mean the BIOS has sent off a command to the drive, and it isn't being answered. Or the answer isn't recognized.
I wonder about the disk being too big because the MB is about 3 years old and back then there was nothing bigger than about 500gb.
Have you checked the motherboard specs? They might just indicate something like that - maybe there's even a firmware upgrade available. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, James Hatridge wrote:
On Sunday 14 June 2009 09:08:19 Per Jessen wrote:
James Hatridge wrote:
I got a Hitachi 1TB hd last week. I could not get my system to see it.
Hi Jim - _how_ was it not seen? Did the BIOS not recognize it?
I'm sure that the motherboard is working, I moved the other hds around and I could see that the system at boot was finding the new hd. But it would skip it.
Okay, your BIOS skips it - then my guess is that it is too big although I didn't think there was any special BIOS limit around the Terabyte level.
During the boot the system would find the first 3 disks and then wait for 30-60 seconds. Then it would go on with the boot. I changed the cables around making the new disk #3 and my older disk #4. When I booted then it stopped at #3 for 30-60 seconds then skipped to #4 and found my old disk at #4. So I then had disks at #1,#2, and #4.
I wonder about the disk being too big because the MB is about 3 years old and back then there was nothing bigger than about 500gb.
I think I'll return it and get a little smaller one, say 600-750gb.
I doubt that'll help. The next lower limit I know of below 1TB is 137GB (128 * 2^30 B / GiBiBytes). And I use 4 IDE drives over that up to 500 GB on a MoBo from 2000 (BIOS Release: 11/17/99!), AMD-756 [Viper] IDE controller. The BIOS shows the drives as 136GB, but no problems under Linux (haven't used Windows with those drives though). Next problematic size I know of is at 2 TiBiB. What your problem might be, is that your drive is (un)jumpered to use SATA 2.0 / 3 GBit/s Mode but your controller / BIOS can't handle that. Have a look at the jumpers, usually there is one to set the drive to SATA1 / 1.5 GBit/s mode. Do you happen to have one of the controllers mentioned in this?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA#SATA_1.5_Gbit.2Fs_and_SATA_3_Gbit.2Fs HTH, -dnh -- SIG kill(ed) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
In <20090623151834.GA16473@feersum.endjinn.de>, David Haller wrote:
2 TiBiB.
Tebibybibytes? "T" = "Tera-" "Ti" = "Tebi-" a.k.a. "binary Tera-" You either mean "2 TebiB" or "2 TiB". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#IEC_standard_prefixes (In short, it is a mess; however, the clear, correct use of the IEC binary prefixes and standard SI prefixes can help.) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM, David Haller
Hello,
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, James Hatridge wrote: <snip>
I wonder about the disk being too big because the MB is about 3 years old and back then there was nothing bigger than about 500gb.
I think I'll return it and get a little smaller one, say 600-750gb.
I doubt that'll help. The next lower limit I know of below 1TB is 137GB (128 * 2^30 B / GiBiBytes). And I use 4 IDE drives over that up to 500 GB on a MoBo from 2000 (BIOS Release: 11/17/99!), AMD-756 [Viper] IDE controller. The BIOS shows the drives as 136GB, but no problems under Linux (haven't used Windows with those drives though).
Logically I agree, but my real world experience differs. I know that we had a number of SIL sata controllers that worked with 500GB drives fine and failed to work with 1 TB drives. I don't recall if they worked with 750 GB drives or not. We got a firmware update from SIL and updated our cards so I can no longer test that. So far we have tested this firmware version with 1.5 TB drives. Haven't bought any 2 TiB drives yet. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
HI all, Durn! I wish that I knew about that jumper before I returned the HD. Oh well, I returned the HD and will get my money back. I'll try again later. Thanks, JIM On Tuesday 23 June 2009 18:52:40 Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM, David Haller
wrote: Hello,
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, James Hatridge wrote:
<snip>
I wonder about the disk being too big because the MB is about 3 years old and back then there was nothing bigger than about 500gb.
I think I'll return it and get a little smaller one, say 600-750gb.
I doubt that'll help. The next lower limit I know of below 1TB is 137GB (128 * 2^30 B / GiBiBytes). And I use 4 IDE drives over that up to 500 GB on a MoBo from 2000 (BIOS Release: 11/17/99!), AMD-756 [Viper] IDE controller. The BIOS shows the drives as 136GB, but no problems under Linux (haven't used Windows with those drives though).
Logically I agree, but my real world experience differs.
I know that we had a number of SIL sata controllers that worked with 500GB drives fine and failed to work with 1 TB drives. I don't recall if they worked with 750 GB drives or not. We got a firmware update from SIL and updated our cards so I can no longer test that.
So far we have tested this firmware version with 1.5 TB drives. Haven't bought any 2 TiB drives yet.
Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf
The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com
-- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 Ebay ID: WartHogBulletin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2009-06-23 at 12:52 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Logically I agree, but my real world experience differs.
I know that we had a number of SIL sata controllers that worked with 500GB drives fine and failed to work with 1 TB drives. I don't recall if they worked with 750 GB drives or not. We got a firmware update from SIL and updated our cards so I can no longer test that.
So far we have tested this firmware version with 1.5 TB drives. Haven't bought any 2 TiB drives yet.
While shopping for USB HD enclosures, I saw a few of them which specified a size limit well under 1 TB. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpBJrIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X6wACfVl1V3BCRXXMDx8ELajAHgk5h jDkAnjKrgUY24HpjgZxYABnlUWcRnVrm =NKz/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 21:02:08 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2009-06-23 at 12:52 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Logically I agree, but my real world experience differs.
I know that we had a number of SIL sata controllers that worked with 500GB drives fine and failed to work with 1 TB drives. I don't recall if they worked with 750 GB drives or not. We got a firmware update from SIL and updated our cards so I can no longer test that.
So far we have tested this firmware version with 1.5 TB drives. Haven't bought any 2 TiB drives yet.
While shopping for USB HD enclosures, I saw a few of them which specified a size limit well under 1 TB.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
That's right, the USB box I have says a max of 750GB. -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 Ebay ID: WartHogBulletin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R.
On Tuesday, 2009-06-23 at 12:52 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Logically I agree, but my real world experience differs.
I know that we had a number of SIL sata controllers that worked with 500GB drives fine and failed to work with 1 TB drives. I don't recall if they worked with 750 GB drives or not. We got a firmware update from SIL and updated our cards so I can no longer test that.
So far we have tested this firmware version with 1.5 TB drives. Haven't bought any 2 TiB drives yet.
While shopping for USB HD enclosures, I saw a few of them which specified a size limit well under 1 TB.
Ditto, I have a usb enclosure that has a 200mb limit, but it is several years old. I also have an external sata 2TB drive that is marvelous. With the pci-express card 300mb/s seems like another *internal* drive. (hot pluggable). Gave us$109 for the drive at Frys in Indianapolis. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM, David Haller
wrote: [..] I doubt that'll help. The next lower limit I know of below 1TB is 137GB (128 * 2^30 B / GiBiBytes). And I use 4 IDE drives over that up to 500 GB on a MoBo from 2000 (BIOS Release: 11/17/99!), AMD-756 [Viper] IDE controller. The BIOS shows the drives as 136GB, but no problems under Linux (haven't used Windows with those drives though).
Logically I agree, but my real world experience differs.
I know that we had a number of SIL sata controllers that worked with 500GB drives fine and failed to work with 1 TB drives. I don't recall if they worked with 750 GB drives or not. We got a firmware update from SIL and updated our cards so I can no longer test that.
*ick* Well, I have a 1.5 TB Disk on a SiL 3114 Controller. And AFAIR, there is no general / inherent limit like at 8GiB, 128GiB, 2TiB ... Of course there may be broken HW/firmware and whatnot with arbitrary limits. -dnh -- When in doubt, debug-on-entry the function you least suspect have anything to do with something. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
participants (8)
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
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Carlos E. R.
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David Haller
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Greg Freemyer
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James Hatridge
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Mike
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Patrick Shanahan
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Per Jessen