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Billie Walsh

16 Jul 2015 16 Jul '15

12:22

For quite a long time I have watched the list(s) and see a lot of people having issues printing. As best as I can recall it is usually some printer like a Brother, Kodak, a recent example a Kyocera. Very soon after I quit using dot matrix printers I stopped buying anything other than HP printers. No other brand seemed as reliable. Bought a nice Epson. A few months later it went toes up. Tried a couple other brands with similar results. I've got an old HP All-In-one on my desk that I have retired from active printing and use just the scanner bed. Been there for years. The ink dried up in the cartridges years ago. But the bloody thing just keeps working. If I put in the new cartridges it would print just like when it was new. When I switched over to Linux my printers just worked, after I learned to install HPLIP. Some time back we decided it was foolish to have multiple printers, each with a different ink cartridge, so we bought an HP network printer. Worked right out of the box. Set it up with CUPS and off and running. As in the subject line, this is my observations on printers. The issues with printers on the list(s) just reinforces my opinion to never own anything but HP printers. You are welcome to have differing opinions. That's your right. I do not own any HP stock. I receive no compensation from HP in any form other than printers that work, which I purchase with my hard earned money just like you purchase yours. Let the flames begin. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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jdd

16 Jul 16 Jul

12:36

Le 16/07/2015 14:22, Billie Walsh a écrit :

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Let the flames begin.

no flame :-) HP is mostly good, but not all hp printers works, I remember a problem (forgot the model). Epson usually works also, as do brother (with the linux driver probided by the make). most problem come at install time because susefirewall2 blocks printer finding on network, and after that cups problems I wonder why the printer plasmoid is not default the gutenprint guys are making a very good job jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

13:24

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When I switched over to Linux my printers just worked, after I learned to install HPLIP. Some time back we decided it was foolish to have multiple printers, each with a different ink cartridge, so we bought an HP network printer. Worked right out of the box. Set it up with CUPS and off and running.

I agree with you about HP printers being reliable and linux friendly. What I have learnt is that YaST's list of drivers is often out of date, so I go to the HP site and download the latest driver for my model. The installation script is extremely user friendly, with sensible prompts and defaults. After it has run, I may have to go into YaST's printer setup to enable the printer. I have an HP Photosmart 6510 All-in-One printer. I can print to either paper tray, and the scanner is recognised by XSane. One happy customer. - -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.16.7-7-desktop Distro: openSUSE 13.2 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.3 Uptime: 06:00am up 7:55, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.05, 0.06 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlWnsHMACgkQ0Sr7eZJrmU7cNgCfVfZA5aXA44ewT/jq7VgyUgQ+ pukAnjNDiirRgpB/HUf8x3S4SfEt5E5R =iqmQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

15:44

On 07/16/2015 08:22 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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Let the flames begin.

I have a Dell (rebranded Samsung) lazy printer that works well with Linux. I bought it about 7 years ago and it's still going strong. The only thing I've had to do is replace the toner cartridge. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Stevens

15:45

On 07/16/2015 07:22 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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But the bloody thing just keeps working. If I put in the new cartridges it would print just like when it was new.

As in the subject line, this is my observations on printers. The issues with printers on the list(s) just reinforces my opinion to never own anything but HP printers. You are welcome to have differing opinions. That's your right.

No flame, just another observation. I, too, have used HP for quite a while for somewhat the same reason but after my old HP died I decided to try something else. You see, it seems that plastics, by their nature, degrade over time. The printer ran out of ink so I ordered a refill kit, refilled the cartridge and then found that the paper feed mechanism didn't work. A gear had failed. That went along with the broken hinge and the bad paper feed mechanism on the scanner that had failed at other times. Then I thought about how long that printer had been in service... first in my mom's office then here. A very long time. I don't expect that from any brand, not any more. If I get 3 years from a $100 printer I'm satisfied. Not ecstatic but satisfied. =============== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

17:38

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Stevens wrote:

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On 07/16/2015 07:22 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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But the bloody thing just keeps working. If I put in the new cartridges it would print just like when it was new.

As in the subject line, this is my observations on printers. The issues with printers on the list(s) just reinforces my opinion to never own anything but HP printers. You are welcome to have differing opinions. That's your right.

No flame, just another observation. I, too, have used HP for quite a while for somewhat the same reason but after my old HP died I decided to try something else. You see, it seems that plastics, by their nature, degrade over time. The printer ran out of ink so I ordered a refill kit, refilled the cartridge and then found that the paper feed mechanism didn't work. A gear had failed. That went along with the broken hinge and the bad paper feed mechanism on the scanner that had failed at other times. Then I thought about how long that printer had been in service... first in my mom's office then here. A very long time. I don't expect that from any brand, not any more. If I get 3 years from a $100 printer I'm satisfied. Not ecstatic but satisfied.

It all comes down to print volume. If you're doing 1,000+ pages a month then you don't need it to last anywhere near 3 years to be a good deal. ==== my recent experience === The Xerox Phaser I've posted about before just needed a drum replacement (still under warranty). Warranty: One-year on-site, Xerox Total Satisfaction Guarantee That's my second service call (free) in the 4 months I've now owned it. Ignoring maintenance it's a great printer for $165 or so, but as soon as the warranty ends, I imagine I will have to replace it. (Replacing the drum probably costs more than replacing the entire printer.) fyi: I've printed about 6,000 pages in those 4 months, so if I do 16,500 pages in a year, that will be a $0.01 / page for the printer even if it has to be replaced annually. Here's a reasonable cost breakdown based on what I see: $0.01/page depreciation of the printer based on 16,500 pages/year $0.02/page toner ($100 worth so far) $0.01/page paper I don't think any ink jet can match that cost structure, even if I do my own ink refills with generic ink. === Now I've got to decide what to replace the Phaser with next spring. I might just decide to get another one and treat it as a disposable printer. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

17:56

Le 16/07/2015 19:38, Greg Freemyer a écrit :

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Now I've got to decide what to replace the Phaser with next spring. I might just decide to get another one and treat it as a disposable printer.

buy a two years waranty :-) I got 10 years ago a second hand HP 5M. Had already done 200.000 (two hundred thousand) copies and did around 10.000 for me with $25 toner, then died :-( jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

19:23

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:56 PM, jdd wrote:

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Le 16/07/2015 19:38, Greg Freemyer a écrit :

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Now I've got to decide what to replace the Phaser with next spring. I might just decide to get another one and treat it as a disposable printer.

buy a two years warranty :-)

That is a very interesting option I hadn't thought of. I never buy the extended warranties, but in this case it would definitely be smart. I'm assuming I can get one for the Xerox. Maybe I still can? The original warranty still has 8 months left. Greg -- Greg Freemyer www.IntelligentAvatar.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

21:17

Greg Freemyer composed on 2015-07-16 15:23 (UTC-0400):

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jdd wrote:

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buy a two years warranty :-)

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That is a very interesting option I hadn't thought of. I never buy the extended warranties, but in this case it would definitely be smart. I'm assuming I can get one for the Xerox. Maybe I still can? The original warranty still has 8 months left.

Before taking the plunge, consider the nature of your dependence on printing. Turnaround time on a warranty claim can kill viability of any option but buying another. Back to $SUBJECT for what it's worth, I've only ever owned 5 printers: Citizen GX140 24 pin Epson-compatible color dot matrix HP LaserJet 4M Canon MF4670Dn mono laser MF Brother HL-5470DW mono laser Brother MFC-420CN color inkjet MF I do very little printing, probably <12000 sheets (not counting fan-fold) lifetime, most of which wasted on unacceptable output. The Citizen was still functional last time I plugged it in, probably 16+ years ago. The last 2 were only acquired in recent weeks. The inkjet I haven't even hooked up yet. I've probably gone in excess of a decade without printing anything locally, explaining the gap filled only by HP in between Citizen and Canon. Canon and HP brand products I expect never to buy again. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Chris Murphy

21:35

It's possible to email documents to fedex, which causes a code to be emailed back. Take the code to any fedex office, go to self-service printing and find the control pad, choose the option to print with an access code, enter access code, print. 10 cents per page for b&w. Also works with USB sticks, and there are several mobile device apps including google cloud print. Some local libraries have the option to print files, sometimes for free for a limited number of pages. Chris Murphy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen

21:40

On July 16, 2015 2:35:08 PM PDT, Chris Murphy wrote:

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It's possible to email documents to fedex, which causes a code to be emailed back. Take the code to any fedex office, go to self-service printing and find the control pad, choose the option to print with an access code, enter access code, print. 10 cents per page for b&w. Also works with USB sticks, and there are several mobile device apps including google cloud print.

Some local libraries have the option to print files, sometimes for free for a limited number of pages.

Chris Murphy

As if printing isn't inconvenient enough you expect people to chase all over town to collect print that they had to share with some third party to produce? You don't need a computer either. You can use on at the library. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Chris Murphy

21:46

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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On July 16, 2015 2:35:08 PM PDT, Chris Murphy wrote:

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It's possible to email documents to fedex, which causes a code to be emailed back. Take the code to any fedex office, go to self-service printing and find the control pad, choose the option to print with an access code, enter access code, print. 10 cents per page for b&w. Also works with USB sticks, and there are several mobile device apps including google cloud print.

Some local libraries have the option to print files, sometimes for free for a limited number of pages.

Chris Murphy

As if printing isn't inconvenient enough you expect people to chase all over town to collect print that they had to share with some third party to produce?

Obviously it depends on how often you print, how much you print, and the convenient location of places to print. A cheap laser printer is around $100 so that's about 1000 sheets. I might print 20 sheets per year so even though I have a bw laser printer, when it dies it's likely I'll abandon local bw printing.

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You don't need a computer either. You can use on at the library.

This is a terrible comparison. Clearly the computer is being used a lot more than the printer, no matter the user. But if I only used a computer 20 hours a year I might actually consider using the one at the library. -- Chris Murphy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

20:08

On 07/16/2015 12:38 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Stevens wrote:

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On 07/16/2015 07:22 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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But the bloody thing just keeps working. If I put in the new cartridges it would print just like when it was new.

As in the subject line, this is my observations on printers. The issues with printers on the list(s) just reinforces my opinion to never own anything but HP printers. You are welcome to have differing opinions. That's your right.

No flame, just another observation. I, too, have used HP for quite a while for somewhat the same reason but after my old HP died I decided to try something else. You see, it seems that plastics, by their nature, degrade over time. The printer ran out of ink so I ordered a refill kit, refilled the cartridge and then found that the paper feed mechanism didn't work. A gear had failed. That went along with the broken hinge and the bad paper feed mechanism on the scanner that had failed at other times. Then I thought about how long that printer had been in service... first in my mom's office then here. A very long time. I don't expect that from any brand, not any more. If I get 3 years from a $100 printer I'm satisfied. Not ecstatic but satisfied.

It all comes down to print volume. If you're doing 1,000+ pages a month then you don't need it to last anywhere near 3 years to be a good deal.

==== my recent experience ===

The Xerox Phaser I've posted about before just needed a drum replacement (still under warranty).

Warranty: One-year on-site, Xerox Total Satisfaction Guarantee

That's my second service call (free) in the 4 months I've now owned it.

Ignoring maintenance it's a great printer for $165 or so, but as soon as the warranty ends, I imagine I will have to replace it. (Replacing the drum probably costs more than replacing the entire printer.)

fyi: I've printed about 6,000 pages in those 4 months, so if I do 16,500 pages in a year, that will be a $0.01 / page for the printer even if it has to be replaced annually.

Here's a reasonable cost breakdown based on what I see:

$0.01/page depreciation of the printer based on 16,500 pages/year $0.02/page toner ($100 worth so far) $0.01/page paper

I don't think any ink jet can match that cost structure, even if I do my own ink refills with generic ink.

=== Now I've got to decide what to replace the Phaser with next spring. I might just decide to get another one and treat it as a disposable printer.

Greg

If your a business you probably depreciate it out over three or four years. The bottom line is, it costs you nothing in the long run. Just up front. It makes sense to buy the top of the line. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

16:33

On 07/16/2015 08:22 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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You are welcome to have differing opinions. That's your right.

That's the problem with opinions, anybody can have them. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

19:58

On 07/16/2015 11:33 AM, James Knott wrote:

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On 07/16/2015 08:22 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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You are welcome to have differing opinions. That's your right. That's the problem with opinions, anybody can have them. ;-)

Opinions are like rectums. Everyone has one and most times others stink. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Thomas Taylor

16:48

On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 07:22:14 -0500 Billie Walsh wrote:

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For quite a long time I have watched the list(s) and see a lot of people having issues printing. As best as I can recall it is usually some printer like a Brother, Kodak, a recent example a Kyocera.

Very soon after I quit using dot matrix printers I stopped buying anything other than HP printers. No other brand seemed as reliable. Bought a nice Epson. A few months later it went toes up. Tried a couple other brands with similar results. I've got an old HP All-In-one on my desk that I have retired from active printing and use just the scanner bed. Been there for years. The ink dried up in the cartridges years ago. But the bloody thing just keeps working. If I put in the new cartridges it would print just like when it was new.

When I switched over to Linux my printers just worked, after I learned to install HPLIP. Some time back we decided it was foolish to have multiple printers, each with a different ink cartridge, so we bought an HP network printer. Worked right out of the box. Set it up with CUPS and off and running.

As in the subject line, this is my observations on printers. The issues with printers on the list(s) just reinforces my opinion to never own anything but HP printers. You are welcome to have differing opinions. That's your right.

I do not own any HP stock. I receive no compensation from HP in any form other than printers that work, which I purchase with my hard earned money just like you purchase yours.

Let the flames begin.

Been using an Brother HL-1440 laser for over fifteen (15) years. Blow it out occasionally and replace toner cartridges, no other problems. Tom -- When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. - Anonymous ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. ^^^^ Tom Taylor KG7CFC openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD A8-7600, GeForce GTX 740 T/PCIe/ 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 37.0, claws-mail 3.10.1 registered linux user 263467 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

16:55

Billie Walsh wrote:

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As in the subject line, this is my observations on printers. The issues with printers on the list(s) just reinforces my opinion to never own anything but HP printers. You are welcome to have differing opinions. That's your right.

I do not own any HP stock. I receive no compensation from HP in any form other than printers that work, which I purchase with my hard earned money just like you purchase yours.

Let the flames begin.

I used to be an HP (inkjet) fan too, until we installed some HP all-singing, all-dancing in the office - it wasn't used enough, and both the ink-nozzles and the ink-reservoirs dried out, which made it a bit of a pricey experience. I switched both office printers to Kyocera lasers a few years ago, and have never looked back. With printers, my two main criteria are network and postscript support. In response to your initial comment "... a recent example a Kyocera" - the Kyocera has never caused us any issues. In the recent case, the blame lies squarely on cups and/or okular. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (34.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

16:56

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I used to be an HP (inkjet) fan too,

I don't like ink printers. They fail too much, any brand. I have an HP laser printer. It is very good, but not as good as a mid-eighties HP built in iron. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF0EAREIAAYFAlWn4kYACgkQja8UbcUWM1y/0QEAgsN/uSIxaVVOVsRe4OJwFt8k gausq56iOUpzIr+Btt0A+LJpH/6/9hSbg5vxCLqtMOQF4Xm8hCkN0ZrJaUcfT64= =zueZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

17:05

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I used to be an HP (inkjet) fan too,

I don't like ink printers. They fail too much, any brand.

Today I would always pick a laser, but go back ten-twelve years and lasers were very pricey, inkjets very affordable. Today, the cost is in the consumables, the cartridges etc.

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I have an HP laser printer. It is very good, but not as good as a mid-eighties HP built in iron.

Real-iron printer - the IBM 3800 laser printer, now that was a beauty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3800 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (34.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:28

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I don't like ink printers. They fail too much, any brand.

Today I would always pick a laser, but go back ten-twelve years and lasers were very pricey, inkjets very affordable. Today, the cost is in the consumables, the cartridges etc.

Absolutely! And more some years ago, inkjets were pricey. I still have two ribbon, 9 pin, printers. Gosh, they were slow under Windows! It printed letters as graphics.

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Real-iron printer - the IBM 3800 laser printer, now that was a beauty:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3800

No photos :-( - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWn6akACgkQja8UbcUWM1yfkwD/esfTTjaecBN+dl3KSvwmiL7K BEQJIxTQyd6ppORAv+kA/0yq2+qlBd6cOdDBTGoxZL3gUqoMclqgXBSljpsbJdTA =e6Ud -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I don't like ink printers. They fail too much, any brand.

Today I would always pick a laser, but go back ten-twelve years and lasers were very pricey, inkjets very affordable. Today, the cost is in the consumables, the cartridges etc.

Absolutely!

And more some years ago, inkjets were pricey. I still have two ribbon, 9 pin, printers. Gosh, they were slow under Windows! It printed letters as graphics.

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Real-iron printer - the IBM 3800 laser printer, now that was a beauty:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3800

No photos :-(

Google them. https://www.google.ch/search?q=ibm+3800&tbm=isch -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

09:24

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2015-07-16 19:05, Per Jessen wrote:

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Real-iron printer - the IBM 3800 laser printer, now that was a beauty:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3800

No photos :-(

Google them.

https://www.google.ch/search?q=ibm+3800&tbm=isch

Well, yes, but I meant that it is a pity when wikipedia has no photos. And it will be worse with the no panorama laws that are coming :-( ...

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http://www.snipview.com/q/IBM_3800

What a machine! :-O - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWoyc8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1z77AD/aonWYs//eESXcHu+SqbJHrYg Z6PaGMuRGeixgeuNEs4A/3e6RPnsmh1eU/JTsx5JX+qfLU6VZ+dcPivDdOggMaeL =IAWV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

16:14

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2015-07-16 19:05, Per Jessen wrote:

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Real-iron printer - the IBM 3800 laser printer, now that was a beauty:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3800

No photos :-(

Google them.

https://www.google.ch/search?q=ibm+3800&tbm=isch

Well, yes, but I meant that it is a pity when wikipedia has no photos.

I agree.

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And it will be worse with the no panorama laws that are coming :-(

I thought that was voted down recently. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (29.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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And it will be worse with the no panorama laws that are coming :-(

I thought that was voted down recently.

Was it? Good! The news escaped my notice, then. I noticed that the banner in wikipedia had disappeared, I wondered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama#European_Union https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama I don't know... :-? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWpLacACgkQja8UbcUWM1wSAgEAn70ZnDTila+7Yej6y/NRm5kM NAO1p1Qc0UmrHzopEPMA/1xozUwW0Rb/a1IkcJcufV4dr/ERo917l9r4W6+noD1G =+0sk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

06:39

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Real-iron printer - the IBM 3800 laser printer, now that was a beauty:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3800

No photos :-(

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Billie Walsh

16 Jul 16 Jul

20:02

On 07/16/2015 11:55 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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In response to your initial comment "... a recent example a Kyocera" - the Kyocera has never caused us any issues. In the recent case, the blame lies squarely on cups and/or okular.

I said issues with printers. You are having/had an issue printing on your Kyocera. No matter what the actual cause. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

17 Jul 17 Jul

05:37

Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 07/16/2015 11:55 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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In response to your initial comment "... a recent example a Kyocera" - the Kyocera has never caused us any issues. In the recent case, the blame lies squarely on cups and/or okular.

I said issues with printers. You are having/had an issue printing on your Kyocera. No matter what the actual cause.

Actually, no matter which printer, the issue would have been the same. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.3°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

07:53

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Billie Walsh wrote:

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As in the subject line, this is my observations on printers. The issues with printers on the list(s) just reinforces my opinion to never own anything but HP printers. You are welcome to have differing opinions. That's your right.

I do not own any HP stock. I receive no compensation from HP in any form other than printers that work, which I purchase with my hard earned money just like you purchase yours.

Let the flames begin. I used to be an HP (inkjet) fan too, until we installed some HP all-singing, all-dancing in the office - it wasn't used enough, and both the ink-nozzles and the ink-reservoirs dried out, which made it a bit of a pricey experience. I switched both office printers to Kyocera lasers a few years ago, and have never looked back.

Model name/number please (if it was already mentioned I missed it). Also, is it simply a BW printer or colour?

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With printers, my two main criteria are network and postscript support.

In response to your initial comment "... a recent example a Kyocera" - the Kyocera has never caused us any issues. In the recent case, the blame lies squarely on cups and/or okular.

Form what I have read so far it was neither cups or okular but the "Central Control Unit" - AKA, The Manager - that caused the problem :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.6 & kernel 4.1.1-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

08:34

Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/07/15 02:55, Per Jessen wrote:

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I used to be an HP (inkjet) fan too, until we installed some HP all-singing, all-dancing in the office - it wasn't used enough, and both the ink-nozzles and the ink-reservoirs dried out, which made it a bit of a pricey experience. I switched both office printers to Kyocera lasers a few years ago, and have never looked back.

Model name/number please (if it was already mentioned I missed it).

Also, is it simply a BW printer or colour?

I am not certain, but I think it was called HP 9110 All-in-One or some such. Colour.

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the Kyocera has never caused us any issues. In the recent case, the blame lies squarely on cups and/or okular.

Form what I have read so far it was neither cups or okular but the "Central Control Unit" - AKA, The Manager - that caused the problem :-) .

Hmm ... I see your smiley, but I'd still want to know why cups: 1) decided to automagically disable the printer, 2) why noone was informed, and 3) why it could not be reenabled with the webGUI. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (27.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

08:36

Le 17/07/2015 10:34, Per Jessen a écrit :

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Hmm ... I see your smiley, but I'd still want to know why cups:

1) decided to automagically disable the printer,

probably a bad driver. I had the problem recently with a brother printer, the yast driver was bad, I had to dowload the one from brother, ans all worked well. when cups see the printer do not anser properly, it tries to disable it.

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2) why noone was informed, and

one have to use the print center plasmoid (kde) to have any info.

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3) why it could not be reenabled with the webGUI.

it is, go to printer, management, admin and you have the desired menus. I never used command line for this since cups exists. I often find localhost:631 (cups) easier than yast for printer management. The root pass is the root one as default jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

16:20

jdd wrote:

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Le 17/07/2015 10:34, Per Jessen a écrit :

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Hmm ... I see your smiley, but I'd still want to know why cups:

1) decided to automagically disable the printer,

probably a bad driver. I had the problem recently with a brother printer, the yast driver was bad, I had to dowload the one from brother, ans all worked well.

The driver hasn't been changed since it was installed, and it's been 4-5 years. Not a driver problem.

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2) why noone was informed, and

one have to use the print center plasmoid (kde) to have any info.

Hmm, I meant why CUPS didn't write it to the log or sent an SNMP alert or <something>.

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3) why it could not be reenabled with the webGUI.

it is, go to printer, management, admin and you have the desired menus. I never used command line for this since cups exists.

I am assuming we're talking about the CUPS webGUI here. I have never had to do it (enable) at all. If I go to "Printers", I first get a list of printers, when I pick this Kyocera, I get this screen: http://files.jessen.ch/cups-screenshot1.jpeg None of the pull-down menus have an enable option.

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I often find localhost:631 (cups) easier than yast for printer management. The root pass is the root one as default

Yes, I've never used yast for printer management. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (29.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

16:25

Le 17/07/2015 18:20, Per Jessen a écrit :

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http://files.jessen.ch/cups-screenshot1.jpeg

None of the pull-down menus have an enable option.

you have on the left menu "sto" and if stopped "start". It works for me jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

18:15

jdd wrote:

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Le 17/07/2015 18:20, Per Jessen a écrit :

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http://files.jessen.ch/cups-screenshot1.jpeg

None of the pull-down menus have an enable option.

you have on the left menu "sto" and if stopped "start". It works for me

Hmm, on the left pull-down I have: Maintenance Print test page Clean print heads Print self test page Pause printer Reject jobs Move all jobs cancel all jobs On the right pull-down I have: Administration Modify printer Delete printer Set default options Set as server default Set allowed users (I wasn't able to get a screenshot with the pull-downs extended). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

18:28

Le 17/07/2015 20:15, Per Jessen a écrit :

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Hmm, on the left pull-down I have:

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Pause printer

I guess it's this one (I don't know how to have cups in english) "arréter l'imprimante" in french http://dodin.org/owncloud/index.php/s/NPpW1sjcHI8k46b jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

18 Jul 18 Jul

01:06

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Le 17/07/2015 20:15, Per Jessen a écrit :

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Hmm, on the left pull-down I have:

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Pause printer

I guess it's this one (I don't know how to have cups in english)

"arréter l'imprimante" in french

It must be. A printer that I know is disabled, in that menu in cups I see instead "resume printer". And the status shows: HP_PSC_1400_series_a (Paused, Accepting Jobs, Not Shared) Simply the message is not clear, but it refers to the enabled/disabled status. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWppqQACgkQja8UbcUWM1x73QEAkhGBI0SPAM38+aR5kieUxb+b nOWFjeTiRnpxuPosX3UA/3dWLSuxnsTeXgEp4jTYPUZT4pwp8qcAJ/vSfBlGBSuo =ZpUA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

17 Jul 17 Jul

08:47

On 17/07/15 18:34, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/07/15 02:55, Per Jessen wrote:

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I used to be an HP (inkjet) fan too, until we installed some HP all-singing, all-dancing in the office - it wasn't used enough, and both the ink-nozzles and the ink-reservoirs dried out, which made it a bit of a pricey experience. I switched both office printers to Kyocera lasers a few years ago, and have never looked back. Model name/number please (if it was already mentioned I missed it).

Also, is it simply a BW printer or colour? I am not certain, but I think it was called HP 9110 All-in-One or some such. Colour.

Groan... :-( . The model/number of the Kyocera laser(s) with which you "have never looked back" :-) .

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The Kyocera has never caused us any issues. In the recent case, the blame lies squarely on cups and/or okular.

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Form what I have read so far it was neither cups or okular but the "Central Control Unit" - AKA, The Manager - that caused the problem :-) . Hmm ... I see your smiley, but I'd still want to know why cups:

1) decided to automagically disable the printer, 2) why noone was informed, and 3) why it could not be reenabled with the webGUI.

All to do with the CCU. Always the reason when things happen which "cannot be explained" :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.6 & kernel 4.1.1-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

16:15

Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/07/15 18:34, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/07/15 02:55, Per Jessen wrote:

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I used to be an HP (inkjet) fan too, until we installed some HP all-singing, all-dancing in the office - it wasn't used enough, and both the ink-nozzles and the ink-reservoirs dried out, which made it a bit of a pricey experience. I switched both office printers to Kyocera lasers a few years ago, and have never looked back. Model name/number please (if it was already mentioned I missed it).

Also, is it simply a BW printer or colour? I am not certain, but I think it was called HP 9110 All-in-One or some such. Colour.

Groan... :-( .

The model/number of the Kyocera laser(s) with which you "have never looked back" :-) .

Sorry - it is a Kyocera CS5015N and it's colour. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (29.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

19 Jul 19 Jul

06:21

On 18/07/15 02:15, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/07/15 18:34, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 17/07/15 02:55, Per Jessen wrote:

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I used to be an HP (inkjet) fan too, until we installed some HP all-singing, all-dancing in the office - it wasn't used enough, and both the ink-nozzles and the ink-reservoirs dried out, which made it a bit of a pricey experience. I switched both office printers to Kyocera lasers a few years ago, and have never looked back. Model name/number please (if it was already mentioned I missed it).

Also, is it simply a BW printer or colour? I am not certain, but I think it was called HP 9110 All-in-One or some such. Colour. Groan... :-( .

The model/number of the Kyocera laser(s) with which you "have never looked back" :-) . Sorry - it is a Kyocera CS5015N and it's colour.

Thank you for this info. (It is actually Kyocera FS-C5015N.) Your comments about it certainly promote the Kyocera as a reliable printer because the one(s) you have are now some 8 years old - and the driver for it are listed under Legacy Drivers on the Kyocera site. I have looked at what I consider to be the current equivalent model to the one above and find it just bit too costly (~$A1800) for the amount of printing I do. The printer I have, an HP Photosmart 8450, will do me for a while. Performs impeccably. But as I often do not print for long periods the cartridges blocked up. I have new cartridges yet to be installed and when I do I think I will remove them in between printing jobs, tape up the nozzles, and only re-install them when I need to print again. (I also have a LEXMARK 4039 12R BW laser printer which I haven't used for zonks. It's a centronics printer. I may just get enthused enough to connect it, so some voodoo incantations over it and see if it will print :-) . I did many a BW photo on this printer - and they are all still looking perfect around the house.) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.6 & kernel 4.1.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

09:49

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The printer I have, an HP Photosmart 8450, will do me for a while. Performs impeccably. But as I often do not print for long periods the cartridges blocked up. I have new cartridges yet to be installed and when I do I think I will remove them in between printing jobs, tape up the nozzles, and only re-install them when I need to print again.

That's the reason I changed to laser. By the way, I learned a procedure to unclog the nozzles, which at least worked on my old canon bjc4000. Turn the reservoir over, put a drop of alcohol (the disinfectant, not the drinking type) on the nozzles, and wait a bit. Wipe it with tissue, turn over, and hold the tissue (dry part) over the nozzles. Then blow air with some force on the tiny ventilation hole of the ink reservoir: this forces ink to flow out on the nozzles, if it can. The tissue gets stained, and the shape of the stain tells if the nozzles are clean or not. Repeat procedure till it flows right. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWrcrcACgkQja8UbcUWM1xGIAD/T2aieRoda3Cqswhs3f7lB/W9 jtdotwCuk3qAhXAVNdwA/jl6iAkPXLd9EaQHSCVCPsTlsNZfDEMSIjPwGwhqkFWp =jI9I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

buhorojo

11:26

On 19/07/15 11:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2015-07-19 08:21, Basil Chupin wrote:

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The printer I have, an HP Photosmart 8450, will do me for a while. Performs impeccably. But as I often do not print for long periods the cartridges blocked up. I have new cartridges yet to be installed and when I do I think I will remove them in between printing jobs, tape up the nozzles, and only re-install them when I need to print again. That's the reason I changed to laser.

By the way, I learned a procedure to unclog the nozzles, which at least worked on my old canon bjc4000. Turn the reservoir over, put a drop of alcohol (the disinfectant, not the drinking type) on the nozzles, and wait a bit. Wipe it with tissue, turn over, and hold the tissue (dry part) over the nozzles. Then blow air with some force on the tiny ventilation hole of the ink reservoir: this forces ink to flow out on the nozzles, if it can. The tissue gets stained, and the shape of the stain tells if the nozzles are clean or not.

Repeat procedure till it flows right.

Hi 1. The only way we have been able to clean nozzles reliably is this device: https://db.tt/h2farBNW where you suck ink with a syringe. 4 off half litres of ink cost nothing compared to new cartridges and it just works. 2. We found that cups that came with 13.2 didn't work with the latest printers, or rather it worked but most of the best features were missing. You have to install the latest cups from opensuse.org HTH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Billie Walsh

12:44

On 07/19/2015 04:49 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2015-07-19 08:21, Basil Chupin wrote:

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The printer I have, an HP Photosmart 8450, will do me for a while. Performs impeccably. But as I often do not print for long periods the cartridges blocked up. I have new cartridges yet to be installed and when I do I think I will remove them in between printing jobs, tape up the nozzles, and only re-install them when I need to print again. That's the reason I changed to laser.

By the way, I learned a procedure to unclog the nozzles, which at least worked on my old canon bjc4000. Turn the reservoir over, put a drop of alcohol (the disinfectant, not the drinking type) on the nozzles, and wait a bit. Wipe it with tissue, turn over, and hold the tissue (dry part) over the nozzles. Then blow air with some force on the tiny ventilation hole of the ink reservoir: this forces ink to flow out on the nozzles, if it can. The tissue gets stained, and the shape of the stain tells if the nozzles are clean or not.

Repeat procedure till it flows right.

A damp paper towel does the same thing. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:13

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A damp paper towel does the same thing.

Maybe, but alcohol is better. It is a popular disinfectant in Spain, most houses have a bottle. Cheap. No, you can not drink it, they mix it intentionally with some thing that tastes horribly precisely to impede that - not because they don't want you to drink it, but because of different taxation ;-) I learned the trick by seeing a shop keeper, at an ink refill place, do it. Watch and learn ;-) The way that Buhorojo posted, is the way to do it with different ink refills than mine (didn't know about it). Mine had a tiny hole, and the ink was inside in a wet sponge, not as liquid. Blowing through the hole did the trick. It's laser for me now. No more messy ink :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWr2skACgkQja8UbcUWM1yURgD9FRGcomANYZHTzqBsmgm7wXV+ IGwLtCMkawd1/CUz+mcA/iAyhUnlYNmpbTR1wjXkfd8fBaCvNLh2UYeTETagVqOH =mwhs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

buhorojo

20:09

On 19/07/15 14:44, Billie Walsh wrote:

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On 07/19/2015 04:49 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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By the way, I learned a procedure to unclog the nozzles, which at least worked on my old canon bjc4000. Turn the reservoir over, put a drop of alcohol (the disinfectant, not the drinking type) on the nozzles, and wait a bit. Wipe it with tissue, turn over, and hold the tissue (dry part) over the nozzles. Then blow air with some force on the tiny ventilation hole of the ink reservoir: this forces ink to flow out on the nozzles, if it can. The tissue gets stained, and the shape of the stain tells if the nozzles are clean or not.

Repeat procedure till it flows right.

A damp paper towel does the same thing.

Hi Warning. We wouldn't recommend that. Water forms an emulsion with the ink, the latter being non aqueous. It _must_ be a non aqueous solvent which evaporates easily. The cartridge may last one or two cleaning or refills but no more. Anything which comes into contact with the heads damages them. With the suction method we posted, you can use the same cartridge over and over, possibility because nothing ever comes into contact with the head. HTH

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Carlos E. R.

20:20

On 19/07/2015 22:09, buhorojo wrote:

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On 19/07/15 14:44, Billie Walsh wrote:

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A damp paper towel does the same thing.

Hi Warning. We wouldn't recommend that. Water forms an emulsion with the ink, the latter being non aqueous. It _must_ be a non aqueous solvent which evaporates easily.

Now that you mention it, you are right. I remember when we had to do technical drawings with what here is called china ink (dunno the English name), and this coagulates with tap water. On the other hand, my "fountain pen" ink is soluble in water. It seems. Better use distilled water.

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The cartridge may last one or two cleaning or refills but no more. Anything which comes into contact with the heads damages them. With the suction method we posted, you can use the same cartridge over and over, possibility because nothing ever comes into contact with the head.

Well, my old printer, when the cartridge went into rest position, placed a rubber thing against the nozzles. -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W7) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17 Jul 17 Jul

09:42

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Hmm ... I see your smiley, but I'd still want to know why cups:

1) decided to automagically disable the printer, 2) why noone was informed, and 3) why it could not be reenabled with the webGUI.

When CUPS sees a non-temporary problem with the printer, it disables it automatically. I think Mr Meixner explained it once in an email, long ago, so I go from memory. It is done intentionally to avoid further problems, till the admin(?) solves the problem and reenables it. Now I wonder why the jobs said "pending" and the printer did not show as "disabled" in CUPS. cer@minas-tirith:~/tmp/report-xfs> cupsdisable cer@minas-tirith:~/tmp/report-xfs> lpstat cer@minas-tirith:~/tmp/report-xfs> lpstat -a cp1510n_ps accepting requests since 2015-06-20T02:41:36 CEST cp1515n_hpijs accepting requests since 2010-03-09T21:32:13 CET cp1515n_pcl3 accepting requests since 2010-03-09T21:43:17 CET HP_PSC_1400_series_a accepting requests since 2012-12-17T19:21:46 CET HP_PSC_1400_series_b accepting requests since 2012-12-17T19:21:46 CET However: minas-tirith:~ # lpstat -p printer cp1510n_ps is idle. enabled since Sat Jun 20 02:41:36 2015 printer cp1515n_hpijs is idle. enabled since Tue Mar 9 21:32:13 2010 printer cp1515n_pcl3 is idle. enabled since Tue Mar 9 21:43:17 2010 printer HP_PSC_1400_series_a disabled since Mon Dec 17 19:21:46 2012 - No existe printer HP_PSC_1400_series_b disabled since Mon Dec 17 19:21:46 2012 - No existe minas-tirith:~ # How you thought of using the -p switch! - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF0EAREIAAYFAlWozfQACgkQja8UbcUWM1whawD+IBrdHUBgJDKAjBy+QwbH8pKj 8UkaGWYuQTt9K5VparkA+LD2t978Yh6HwKQqHm59TBxigG56y3bqAkYAwPwzrec= =GeZH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

16:24

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Hmm ... I see your smiley, but I'd still want to know why cups:

1) decided to automagically disable the printer, 2) why noone was informed, and 3) why it could not be reenabled with the webGUI.

When CUPS sees a non-temporary problem with the printer, it disables it automatically. I think Mr Meixner explained it once in an email, long ago, so I go from memory. It is done intentionally to avoid further problems, till the admin(?) solves the problem and reenables it.

That would appear to make sense, except there was no problem (permanent, temporary or otherwise) with the printer, AFAICT. I think(!) there was a problem with something Okular did.

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Now I wonder why the jobs said "pending" and the printer did not show as "disabled" in CUPS.

It showed "Paused - "in progress"", IIRC.

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However:

minas-tirith:~ # lpstat -p printer cp1510n_ps is idle. enabled since Sat Jun 20 02:41:36 2015 printer cp1515n_hpijs is idle. enabled since Tue Mar 9 21:32:13 2010 printer cp1515n_pcl3 is idle. enabled since Tue Mar 9 21:43:17 2010 printer HP_PSC_1400_series_a disabled since Mon Dec 17 19:21:46 2012 - No existe printer HP_PSC_1400_series_b disabled since Mon Dec 17 19:21:46 2012 - No existe minas-tirith:~ #

How you thought of using the -p switch!

Google. :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (28.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

16:37

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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When CUPS sees a non-temporary problem with the printer, it disables it automatically. I think Mr Meixner explained it once in an email, long ago, so I go from memory. It is done intentionally to avoid further problems, till the admin(?) solves the problem and reenables it.

That would appear to make sense, except there was no problem (permanent, temporary or otherwise) with the printer, AFAICT. I think(!) there was a problem with something Okular did.

You run out of envelopes. The out of paper condition might trigger it. Perhaps if several jobs are in the queue. :-?? Or perhaps, a driver failure to process something sent by the client (okular). Yes... important things in the CUPS log are difficult to see. :-(

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Now I wonder why the jobs said "pending" and the printer did not show as "disabled" in CUPS.

It showed "Paused - "in progress"", IIRC.

Yes. I see that on my two disabled printers. Now I know.

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How you thought of using the -p switch!

Google. :-)

Oh. I missed that class. :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWpL0gACgkQja8UbcUWM1yPIAD/ROasCm5lvNw6z3nS1URIL6d5 QAJ/MqbYr+X31Y0MCv8A/jR3rFvG1ZhWOymEOVigqaM6vVAkrIv2pdqTRMj4zSoP =jyEB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

18:11

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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When CUPS sees a non-temporary problem with the printer, it disables it automatically. I think Mr Meixner explained it once in an email, long ago, so I go from memory. It is done intentionally to avoid further problems, till the admin(?) solves the problem and reenables it.

That would appear to make sense, except there was no problem (permanent, temporary or otherwise) with the printer, AFAICT. I think(!) there was a problem with something Okular did.

You run out of envelopes. The out of paper condition might trigger it.

It happens all the time, has never been an issue sofar. The printer just waits until paper/envelopes/whatever are ready. Anyway, the envelopes were ready and waiting.

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Perhaps if several jobs are in the queue. :-??

Happens all the time.

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Or perhaps, a driver failure to process something sent by the client (okular).

That is much more likely - I wish the logs had something on that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.7°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

18 Jul 18 Jul

01:09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-17 20:11, Per Jessen wrote:

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Perhaps if several jobs are in the queue. :-??

Happens all the time.

paper jam? This one I think disabled mine years ago. Maybe, if cups is trying for a long time, and the printer is out of paper, it disables it. You were a day out of envelopes, were you not? But the driver issue is likely. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWpp1UACgkQja8UbcUWM1ziogD/RM20bGkAnBBTaG2PJ/McdZxN GG5Bgiw/ISzc9fIIqZkBAKDFixU62jJZl60p+X53ekTEjAyEqzlkv0wdgatK+RKg =4Ncw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

07:29

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Perhaps if several jobs are in the queue. :-??

Happens all the time.

paper jam?

This one I think disabled mine years ago.

It does occasionally happen, but usually someone nearby will fix it - it has never caused the printer to be disabled. I would have found out about "cupsenable" much sooner :-)

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Maybe, if cups is trying for a long time, and the printer is out of paper, it disables it. You were a day out of envelopes, were you not?

Yes and no - I had the envelopes, but I was out because I couldn't print the stamps on them .... Anyway, enough about this - most likely it will never happen again. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

10:35

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Anyway, enough about this - most likely it will never happen again.

Ok! :-) And if it does, probably you will remember the trick. Ah, here is an explanation of the automatic disable mechanism by one that really knows :-) http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2004-02/msg02739.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2005-08/msg02396.html and a curiosity: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-01/msg02945.html - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWqLA8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1wHKwD/WGpcEhi9GmO7cXoBl3wcmtLH +I9xR87TVopuInfGNHcBAIo2gqX2Mxf2Vjz2BiNMdb1MUU/tfxcEc0+SgbIvnCK1 =4h1q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Simon Heimbach

13:03

New subject: [opensuse] Why is there no cache for AppArmor?

Hello altogether, I wonder why there's no AppArmor-Cache in the default install of Opensuse 13.2. In the directory "/etc/aparmor.d/" there's a link to the directory "cache -> /var/cache/apparmor", but "/var/cache/apparmor" does not exist. As I found in this bug from the year 2011 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689458) simply creating this directory can accelerate the boot times drastically. I tried it, and it works amazingly! According to "systemd-analyze blame" the boot-time of "apparmor.service" decreased from over 9 seconds to 801ms after a second restart. As Apparmor was the only service that took more than a second for booting, my computer now starts mindbogglingly quick. So I'm puzzled. Is there anything wrong with caching it? Can it brake anything? If not, would it be possible to create this directory with an update so that every user can profit from it? Or at least considering it for the next major release? Best regards Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Aaron Digulla

17 Jul 17 Jul

10:10

Am Freitag, 17. Juli 2015 10:34 CEST, Per Jessen schrieb:

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[...] I'd still want to know why cups:

1) decided to automagically disable the printer, 2) why noone was informed, and 3) why it could not be reenabled with the webGUI.

I'm not happy with CUPS and Linux printing either: CUPS error messages are either non-exiting or not saying anything. "no authentication" in the logs. Is that an error? A warning? Do I need to do something? Then I had the same problem with enabled/disabled printers after hibernate, for example. That was fixed. The sometimes the print filters work (I can directly print JPEG, for example). At other times, they don't. Or they print the 10x8" 300DPI image on four pages. Or not at all. Error? Nope. Just doesn't print. Oh, now it prints! And now, it doesn't. Settings in options dialogs are hints at best. You wanted B&W? I'll print color and split the image on 8 pages, if you don't mind. Why? Who cares. Printing from Web browsers has been shitty at the best of times. Opera was the only browser which cared at least a bit about being able to print what you see on the screen. Firefox can barely print plain text, Chrome at least tries to match what you see in the print preview. But that's ok, I'm used to it. Print to PDF or capture a screenshot, import into GIMP, print from there. I've been using professional (PostScript) printers for 30 years, now. They work. But KDE and CUPS fucked this up somehow. And if something is broken, there is no way to find out why. KDE isn't showing what it tells CIUPS, CUPS debug output contains a ton of binary data dumps, HTTP headers and other stuff that most people don't care about. But the options with which a job was printed? Which filters were invoked with which options? A debug mode which would save all intermediary steps as the data is converted for the printer? Nope. It either works or you can shoot yourself. While I understand that this is free software and I didn't actually pay anything for getting a solid product, it's still frustrating to be so helpless. Regards, -- Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla a.k.a. Philmann Dark "It's not the universe that's limited, it's our imagination. Follow me and I'll show you something beyond the limits." http://blog.pdark.de/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

10:47

Le 17/07/2015 12:10, Aaron Digulla a écrit :

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While I understand that this is free software and I didn't actually pay anything for getting a solid product, it's still frustrating to be so helpless.

Regards,

but you blame cups for things it do not manage. for drivers, write to gutenprint (very friendly), for the ui, install the printer plasmoid (or the equivalent for gnome) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

18:02

Aaron Digulla wrote:

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While I understand that this is free software and I didn't actually pay anything for getting a solid product, it's still frustrating to be so helpless.

Big +1. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bernhard Voelker

10:42

On 07/16/2015 02:22 PM, Billie Walsh wrote:

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Let the flames begin.

As no-one else mentioned this brand yet: I like my ~9 year-old Lexmark 510N: laser, color, network ... just works. ;-) Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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