On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 16:03:57 Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

On 08/03/2011 02:57 PM, ianseeks pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Hi all

Does anyone know how i can permanently remove Firefox (not uninstalling) from panle at the bottom of the screen? It reappears every time i log in.

regards

Ian

Right click on the panel, unlock widgets. Right click on the panel, panel options-->panel settings.

Remove the icon and then lock the widgets.

Thats what i thought but my widgets are not locked. I've now got it to work by locking them first and then unlocking them before deleting firefox. thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 16:56:35 John Andersen wrote:

On 8/3/2011 2:57 PM, ianseeks wrote:

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On Wednesday 03 Aug 2011 16:03:57 Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 08/03/2011 02:57 PM, ianseeks pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Hi all

Does anyone know how i can permanently remove Firefox (not uninstalling) from panle at the bottom of the screen? It reappears every time i log in.

regards

Ian

Right click on the panel, unlock widgets. Right click on the panel, panel options-->panel settings.

Remove the icon and then lock the widgets.

Thats what i thought but my widgets are not locked. I've now got it to work by locking them first and then unlocking them before deleting firefox. Old KDE proverb: He who runs with unlocked widgets courts death by a thousand activities.... maybe true... but its a pain in the a*** to have to have 2 extra steps to do one action. :o) i think its a fine idea in a lock down support situation as in the enterprise but its a load of extra faffing about for my home log in. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 20:20, John Andersen wrote:

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maybe true... but its a pain in the a*** to have to have 2 extra steps to do one action. :o)  i think its a fine idea in a lock down support situation as in the enterprise but its a load of extra faffing about for my home log in.

Why do you think you will have to do this every time you log in? Unlock widgets Right click the firefox icon and select remove Lock widgets. Log out. Log back in.

It should NOT re-appear.

And... it's something you do once on initial install (to set things up how you prefer to work)... and maybe once or twice through the life cycle of an install. It's not a day-to-day activity. I can't remember when I last unlocked my KDE4 widgets. Compare that to the Gnome Widgets (whatever they are called... Desklets?) that move around and appear/disappear from one login to the next... I've never managed to nail those silly things to the Gnome desktop. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 09:08, ianseeks wrote:

I was refering to having to unlock/lock any time i want to add/remove widgets, just seems like 2 unnecessary steps.  Is there a valid reason for the locking of the widgets?

Locking prevents user error. You place the widgets, arrange things, and then toggle the lock. They don't shift around anymore. Gnome uses a similar concept with the icons and notifications in the task bar. You don't have to run KDE4 with your desktop widgets locked down... you can just as easily leave them unlocked all the time, but.. you've only yourself to blame when you accidentally click and drag an icon off the taskbar... or hover and mis-click on the exit button on a widget flyout. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 09:43, ianseeks wrote:

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You don't have to run KDE4 with your desktop widgets locked down... you can just as easily leave them unlocked all the time, but.. you've only yourself to blame when you accidentally click and drag an icon off the taskbar... or hover and mis-click on the exit button on a widget flyout.

yes, i prefer leaving them unlocked.  Locking is a good idea for a kiosk type situation but at home, its a bit of overkill unless i'm supporting my gran. thanks for the reply, i thought that was the answer but it seemed too simple, i thought i was missing something :o)

Just to re-emphasise... don't complain when you mess up your desktop if you run KDE4 in unlocked mode. It is VERY easy for example to drag a desktop widget... say a CPU or network monitor... to your task bar if you're always in unlocked mode - and this can really make your task bar do odd things. It's also dead easy to accidentally spawn multiple Activities.. it only takes a moment of inattention... a simple mis-click and poof... you're spending the next hour cleaning up the mess you created. In unlocked mode EVERYTHING on your desktop is movable... a desktop disaster can be averted by simply locking things down. You should not be adding and removing things on the widget level so much that the lock toggle is as great of an inconvenience as you think it is. But... the beauty of it is, you can choose to run in unlocked mode 100% of the time if you want. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 13:36, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Locking prevents user error.  You place the widgets, arrange things, and then toggle the lock.  They don't shift around anymore.

Just so. I size and align them. One reboot they are 'not right any more' shifted and resized. The couple of 'Folder View' I have on my desktop seem particularly susceptible.

What KDE4 version? Historically, there were issues with that... I remember having probs around the 4.5 releases (especially Folder View ignoring any icon sorting I did and reshuffing how it seemed think was better)... I'm on 4.7 Factory and it's rock solid right now (barring KMail issues as discussed on the mailing list). KDE4.6.2 in the default 11.4 install should be fine too... I had not probs there either. Possible causes? Not lockign the widgets? An old KDE4 config in your /home? Have you tried with a clean KDE4 config? Sometimes debris laying about from old releases.. like 4.2 or 4.3 has caused issues. Other than that... no idea. I use KDE4.6 and 4.7 on multiple machines, on multiple hardware configs (laptops, netbooks, desktops etc.) and it's consistent across all installs/reboots... it works as described. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 16:12, Anton Aylward wrote:

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What KDE4 version?

4.7 of course.  From K:D:F

Same here.

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Possible causes?  Not lockign the widgets? An old KDE4 config in your /home?  Have you tried with a clean KDE4 config?

Oh Sh**!   Why do I have to keep wiping this out? Why can't you (plural) say what rc file to zap instead of hitting the whole ~/.kde4/share tree?

Whoa... settle down :-) I only mentioned it as a possibility... something you could try in debugging this. I haven't ran into that problem/solution since about 4.2 or 4.3. I haven't had to wipe out any config files in ages, but.. in the distant past it has helped. I'm not saying it's the definite solution here...

This is akin to fixing problems in Widows by re-installation. I thought we were better than that!

We are... in that all you need to do to test a clean config is rename the /kde4 directory and try a log in. If that doesn't fix it, then the prob isn't the local config. If it does, it narrows things down a little.

so what you're saying is because I've been a faithful KDE4 user since 4.0 rather tan one of those recidivist that gripe about how much better 3.5 is, someone who hung in there, I'm suffering for it.

Ummmm.. no. I'm saying that *sometimes* in *some* cases, some bit laying about from a KDE4 install that has gone through multiple updates through multiple major version 4 releases has exhibited problems that could be traced back to a broken config file... and this is an easy thing to test.

I'm fed up of having to do diffs on snapshots of ~./.kde4/ to restore my settings and other data.

Why can't you just tell me a specific rc files under ~./.kde4/share/config to edit

Because the problems you're having are not commonly known issues. There is something odd or unique that you're running into that is not consistent with your average current KDE4 install. I can't say "oh, that is this known problem, go edit/delete the XYZ file and your problem will magically go away" :-P I'm def not an expert on this... just trying to help with pin pointing the problem.

What annoys me is that when I do have problems like this, which I try to ask "is it me and config or is it a bug", I get replies from (some) people saying "I don't have that problem" but they don't try to help me find what the problem is.

I was trying :-) I am not a developer... just a user like you. Sometimes a few questions on the part of another user results in an "aha" moment. That's what I was aiming for.

And, Clayton, I wiped ~/.kde4 and let KDE rebuild it just two weeks ago with that TB/FF issue.  The only "backup" was a .tar.gz of "baskets". Setting were all done from the control panel(s).

So no, I don't think its debris from 4.2 or 4.3.

Then I'd say it isn't the problem either. I don't have any concrete ideas here. I've been using KDE4.7 since it was available on Factory, with Firefox5 and the latest Thuderbird without issues on multiple installs. If we could determine what's different between a working system/confnig and yours, the borked one... we'd have something for a decent bug report

And I don't have these problems, widgets or 'recently used' programs, nor the ones with TB/FF, with the Fedora-15 box at the other end of my desk.  So its a config, or possibly an interaction between parts, problem.

And if you don't have the problem then assuredly its a config issue.

And if I wiped `./.kde4 just before 4.7 and let KDE rebuild except for my adding widgets (weather, temp, cpu load) and klipper, mixer, and settings of pager and task manager, then there is some interaction between all those that is ... strange.   I don't imagine I have the same set of widget s set up the same way you do, Clayton, so what else could it be?

Ummmm... I suppose maybe I could send you - off list - my stable KDE4 RC files and see if it still breaks on your end? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi Ian,

Am Mittwoch, 3. August 11, 19:57:13 schrieb ianseeks:

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Does anyone know how i can permanently remove Firefox (not uninstalling) from panle at the bottom of the screen? It reappears every time i log in. Start systemsettings, select "Default Applications"> "Web Browser"> "in the following browser" and enter your favorite browser.

On next login this will appear in the panel instead of firefox.

Stefan __ I suspect that what he wants is to get _all_ browsers off the panel, and

On 08/06/2011 03:24 AM, Stefan Quandt wrote: put FF on the desktop as an icon. I can't answer, since I don't have that situation, but generally, if you snap on the "cashew" at the extreme right of the panel, you open the panel for modification. Then you could probably drag the FF icon/widget/whatever onto the desktop. I think I might have done that a long time ago, but I don't remember; both my FF and T/B are on the desktop now. Alternatively, if you can just delete them from the panel, then you can open up the menu and right-click on FF and tell the system to put it on the desktop. If your desired browser is not in the menu, then you should put it there first. HTH.--doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

ianseeks said the following on 08/06/2011 04:26 PM:

I didn't realise there was a configuration for default apps in the "system settings" so everytime i deleted it from the panel, the system put it back the next time i logged in. Never seen that option before, must be new to 4.7

Big Time Back in May I encountered a bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272666 which I was told was 'fixed upstream'. Back when I reported it the bus was fairly constrained, only the one problem with things being written. Now I seem to be suffering from something wider in scope but I suspect a similar root cause. The phenomena was that: "What is being restored seems to be settings from a week or more ago, those settings and items on the panel and systray." So if I delete the session as I did when I deleted all of ~/.kde4 to fix another problem, I can set up new things (widgets, plasmoids) on the panel and screen but they get fixed. Phenomena like: The size and position of the widgets on screen is the same every time I login even if I move, resize delete or add. Phenomena like: the set of programs in the kickoff menu's "recently used" set is the same on every new login regardless of what I ran in a previous session. I've verified the latter by looking at the kickoffrc file. Points to consider: All of ~/.kde4 is writeable If I run "kcmshell4 kcmsmserver" its set to 'restore previous session', as it always has been. The settings I get on each login are all "from a week or more back" when I wiped ~/.kde4 to fix another problem and the first session.after that. Thomas Lubking told me that #272666 as fixed upstream in 4.6.4 Perhaps, but it seems I now have a larger scope version of this. Ian, can you check that your ~/.kde4 is writeable and that you have ("kcmshell4 kcmsmserver") a restore previous sessions setting. Can you see if you are suffering the same problems I am with the kickoff menu. Perhaps we need to reactivate that bug. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer said the following on 08/07/2011 08:33 AM:

What about caches in /tmp and /usr/tmp? I think when you delete $HOME/.kde4 you need to delete these as well. Otherwise there are potential bits still around in the caches in these directories. The caches allow kde not to have to re-do everything when you log in.

Roger, its clear that files like kicoffrc are NOT being re-written Kickoffrc contains [RecentlyUsed] Applications=kde4-konsole.desktop,kde4-konqbrowser.desktop,kde4-basket.desktop,thunderbird.desktop,firefox.desktop That is IT. No matter what I add during a session it never gets updated with the 'new' "recently used". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 07 Aug 2011 08:17:25 Anton Aylward wrote:

ianseeks said the following on 08/06/2011 04:26 PM:

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I didn't realise there was a configuration for default apps in the "system settings" so everytime i deleted it from the panel, the system put it back the next time i logged in. Never seen that option before, must be new to 4.7 Big Time

Back in May I encountered a bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272666 which I was told was 'fixed upstream'.

Back when I reported it the bus was fairly constrained, only the one problem with things being written. Now I seem to be suffering from something wider in scope but I suspect a similar root cause.

The phenomena was that:

"What is being restored seems to be settings from a week or more ago, those settings and items on the panel and systray."

So if I delete the session as I did when I deleted all of ~/.kde4 to fix another problem, I can set up new things (widgets, plasmoids) on the panel and screen but they get fixed.

Phenomena like: The size and position of the widgets on screen is the same every time I login even if I move, resize delete or add.

Phenomena like: the set of programs in the kickoff menu's "recently used" set is the same on every new login regardless of what I ran in a previous session.

I've verified the latter by looking at the kickoffrc file.

Points to consider:

All of ~/.kde4 is writeable

If I run "kcmshell4 kcmsmserver" its set to 'restore previous session', as it always has been.

The settings I get on each login are all "from a week or more back" when I wiped ~/.kde4 to fix another problem and the first session.after that.

Thomas Lubking told me that #272666 as fixed upstream in 4.6.4 Perhaps, but it seems I now have a larger scope version of this.

Ian, can you check that your ~/.kde4 is writeable and that you have ("kcmshell4 kcmsmserver") a restore previous sessions setting. Can you see if you are suffering the same problems I am with the kickoff menu. drwx------ .kde4 All the files and folders below ".kde4" are at least "r" or "rw".

the problem has gone away since i deconfigured Firefox in SystemSettings/Default Applciations

Perhaps we need to reactivate that bug.

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