-----Original Message----- From: Jon Pennington [mailto:jpennington@atipa.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 9:24 AM
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, steganos1 wrote:
did you ever try xfce from www.xfce.org it rox..and is gnome compliant...ect
You're new here, aren't you? ;)
Yes, I've used XFCE. I used 3.x.x for some time, and I find it is a competent window manager with competent tools. XFCE and IceWM are about the same speed, but still notably slower than WMaker and Blackbox.
I don't notice much difference between the above 4 based on speed but I keep returning to WMaker because I think it has a good balance between speed, ease of configuration, and features. Greg Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Thomas, Gregory (NBC, KNBC) wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Jon Pennington [mailto:jpennington@atipa.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 9:24 AM
Yes, I've used XFCE. I used 3.x.x for some time, and I find it is a competent window manager with competent tools. XFCE and IceWM are about the same speed, but still notably slower than WMaker and Blackbox.
I don't notice much difference between the above 4 based on speed but I keep returning to WMaker because I think it has a good balance between speed, ease of configuration, and features.
You've got a really good point. I, OTOH, keep returning to bb. WMaker is nifty, for sure, but WMaker is soo much more than a window manager. bb also has a pretty good tool kit for integrating KDE (menu conversion, works with KDE's paging, works well with KFM). There's even a bb patch so that Slit (the bb implementation of WMaker's dock) can swallow KDE applets like KICQ and KPPP :). -- -=|JP|=- Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | Kansas City, MO /\\ 816-241-2641 x107 | http://www.atipa.com _\_V -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Yes, I've used XFCE. I used 3.x.x for some time, and I find it is a competent window manager with competent tools. XFCE and IceWM are about the same speed, but still notably slower than WMaker and Blackbox.
I don't notice much difference between the above 4 based on speed but I keep returning to WMaker because I think it has a good balance between speed, ease of configuration, and features.
You've got a really good point. I, OTOH, keep returning to bb. WMaker is nifty, for sure, but WMaker is soo much more than a window manager.
How so? I installed it and I have to admit that it's fast and looks pretty slick. I type 'startx' and BANG! it's there. Of course, having 128MB helps a lot but compared to KDE - it sure leaves the latter standing in the dust when it comes to raw speed. Working with the windows takes some getting used to, however. For example, I can't use the 'Alt+F4' combination to close a window. I need to do 'Ctrl+Esc' and then select the appropriate option. 'Alt+Tab' also doesn't give the desired result (that I'm used to). Ah well, I'll just need to keep on consulting the manual till I get the hang of it. About the manual; the author sure has a lousy taste when it comes to fonts. G^$%$mn! Wading through those PDF pages it's as if I just washed down a massive dose of quaaludes with a pint of Scotch! -- Yatsen Ng yatsen.ng@brunel.nl Den Haag, The Netherlands It said "Needs Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
i read in an older issue of linux journal that window maker was the number one used window manager in linux at that time, but i like window maker dont get me wrong but xfce seems to run better on my box i think it all depends on how each system is setup... the whole purpose of xfce is so that u can use X without your desktop hogging up all the recources, and on mine it runs great... the 3 best in my opinion for speed is wm, xfce , and blackbox, oh yeah after step runs pretty good also....thats the nice thing about the diffrent desktop environments is the choice to choose what you like to use ya know...kde is great for a person switching from winders to linux to learn on...then experiment with others and decide which one is right for their needs and such.... i like the newer version of icewm its pretty fast also. All the window managers are getting better with time and always adding new features ect... i started out using E and it was great but for the system i had at the time it was recource hungry so i had to find an alternative, so when i tried xfce i was hooked..... Yatsen Ng wrote:
Yes, I've used XFCE. I used 3.x.x for some time, and I find it is a competent window manager with competent tools. XFCE and IceWM are about the same speed, but still notably slower than WMaker and Blackbox.
I don't notice much difference between the above 4 based on speed but I keep returning to WMaker because I think it has a good balance between speed, ease of configuration, and features.
You've got a really good point. I, OTOH, keep returning to bb. WMaker is nifty, for sure, but WMaker is soo much more than a window manager.
How so? I installed it and I have to admit that it's fast and looks pretty slick. I type 'startx' and BANG! it's there. Of course, having 128MB helps a lot but compared to KDE - it sure leaves the latter standing in the dust when it comes to raw speed. Working with the windows takes some getting used to, however. For example, I can't use the 'Alt+F4' combination to close a window. I need to do 'Ctrl+Esc' and then select the appropriate option. 'Alt+Tab' also doesn't give the desired result (that I'm used to). Ah well, I'll just need to keep on consulting the manual till I get the hang of it. About the manual; the author sure has a lousy taste when it comes to fonts. G^$%$mn! Wading through those PDF pages it's as if I just washed down a massive dose of quaaludes with a pint of Scotch!
-- Yatsen Ng yatsen.ng@brunel.nl Den Haag, The Netherlands
It said "Needs Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux...
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Yatsen Ng wrote:
You've got a really good point. I, OTOH, keep returning to bb. WMaker is nifty, for sure, but WMaker is soo much more than a window manager.
How so? I installed it and I have to admit that it's fast and looks pretty slick.
1. Explicit Keygrabs prevent it from being ICCCM-Compliant (aka Hotkeys). This means that some UNIX implementations of X11 will not play nicely. 2. The Dock is too much. Too many functions. Window managers should manage windows, and that's all. 3. The Iconification of a window chews up valuable real-estate. 4. ImLib, though fast, is still considered bloat in my book ;) These are *only* my observations and resultant opinions. I don't *want* to start a flame war, I'm only reposting because somebody asked. # umount /dev/flamethrower # sync -- -=|JP|=- Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | Kansas City, MO /\\ 816-241-2641 x107 | http://www.atipa.com _\_V -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
1. Explicit Keygrabs prevent it from being ICCCM-Compliant (aka Hotkeys). This means that some UNIX implementations of X11 will not play nicely. 2. The Dock is too much. Too many functions. Window managers should manage windows, and that's all. 3. The Iconification of a window chews up valuable real-estate. 4. ImLib, though fast, is still considered bloat in my book ;)
Thanks for the info. Could you explain a bit more about the Dock being too much? In your opinion, which functions are obsolete? -- Yatsen Ng yatsen.ng@brunel.nl Den Haag, The Netherlands It said "Needs Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux... -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Yatsen Ng wrote:
1. Explicit Keygrabs prevent it from being ICCCM-Compliant (aka Hotkeys). This means that some UNIX implementations of X11 will not play nicely. 2. The Dock is too much. Too many functions. Window managers should manage windows, and that's all. 3. The Iconification of a window chews up valuable real-estate. 4. ImLib, though fast, is still considered bloat in my book ;)
Thanks for the info. Could you explain a bit more about the Dock being too much? In your opinion, which functions are obsolete?
I mean exactly what I said; that a window manager should manage windows ;). An application requests windows (such as the KMail window that I'm working in right now), and a window manager should draw the windows. On the same level, a `dockapp' is nothing more than an application with tight standards concerning it's geometry (so many pixels wide, so many pixels tall); ergo the window manager should manage dockapps as well (as Slit does in bb). Anything more than drawing windows for an application or a dockapp is (or should be) handled by an external application. The WMaker clip is nearly worthless to me, since I can anchor any window to all workspaces. WMakerConf is a nifty tool, but requires too much real estate (72x72 pixels, configurable) ;). I (personally) don't like on-screen icons. BB provides a mechanism in the workspace list to see iconified applications. Since bb supports windowshade operation, I almost never use iconification anyway. BB also provides mechanisms for the appearance of window decoration (Styles), window placement, and front-to-back window behavior, all contained in the root window menu. One of my only wishes would be for bb to support the KWin hints that provide sound events ;). -- -=|JP|=- Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | Kansas City, MO /\\ 816-241-2641 x107 | http://www.atipa.com _\_V -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Jon Pennington wrote:
Thanks for the info. Could you explain a bit more about the Dock being too much? In your opinion, which functions are obsolete?
I mean exactly what I said; that a window manager should manage windows ;). An application requests windows (such as the KMail window that I'm working in right now), and a window manager should draw the windows. On the same level, a `dockapp' is nothing more than an application with tight standards concerning it's geometry (so many pixels wide, so many pixels tall); ergo the window manager should manage dockapps as well (as Slit does in bb). Anything more than drawing windows for an application or a dockapp is (or should be) handled by an external application. The WMaker clip is nearly worthless to me, since I can anchor any window to all workspaces.
Worthless to me too. WMakerConf is a nifty tool, but
requires too much real estate (72x72 pixels, configurable) ;).
Yeah, I run Wmaker at 48 x 48 but that breaks a bunch of the Wmaker apps like wmxmms as they are expecting 72 x 72. One of these days I was going to try to work on them so they work well in 48 x 48.
I (personally) don't like on-screen icons.
Neither do I. BB provides a mechanism in the
workspace list to see iconified applications. Since bb supports windowshade operation, I almost never use iconification anyway. BB also provides mechanisms for the appearance of window decoration (Styles), window placement, and front-to-back window behavior, all contained in the root window menu. One
Maybe I should revisit BB! Thanks, Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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