[opensuse] no screen saver?
In all my messing around with kde and plasma settings, there is no longer any screen saver available in settings. Anyone have an idea on how to get screen saver settings back? The kde4 screen saver package is installed. -- George Box #1: 42.1 | KDE Plasma 5 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Box #2: 13.1 | KDE 4.7.12 | AMD Athlon X3 | 64 | 4GB Laptop #1: 13.1 | KDE 4.7.12 | Core i7-2620M | 64 | 8GB Laptop #2: 42.1 | KDE Plasma 5 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
In all my messing around with kde and plasma settings, there is no longer any screen saver available in settings. Anyone have an idea on how to get screen saver settings back? The kde4 screen saver package is installed.
I asked about this too, I think the answer was that the screensavers are no longer supported/developed. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 01:10 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
In all my messing around with kde and plasma settings, there is no longer any screen saver available in settings. Anyone have an idea on how to get screen saver settings back? The kde4 screen saver package is installed. I asked about this too, I think the answer was that the screensavers are no longer supported/developed.
That's strange. I mean, I know they aren't necessary, but sometimes it is nice to have the matrix numbers running down the screen, or a long running random slideshow for when you aren't doing anything else. Nice to have something besides just turning the screen off if you leave your computer for a few minutes and end up getting stuck somewhere longer than you expected. There are still screensaver packages in the repositories. Seems like someone would figure out a way to be able to install them and make them run. But, there are always trade-offs. I suppose if the developers need the extra time to focus on making the overall system more stable and reliable, then that is probably the better path, even if it means they drop something like unnecessary screen savers. -- George Box #1: 42.1 | KDE Plasma 5 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Box #2: 13.1 | KDE 4.7.12 | AMD Athlon X3 | 64 | 4GB Laptop #1: 13.1 | KDE 4.7.12 | Core i7-2620M | 64 | 8GB Laptop #2: 42.1 | KDE Plasma 5 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
tech@reachthetribes.org [04.04.2016 13:21]:
On 04/04/2016 01:10 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
In all my messing around with kde and plasma settings, there is no longer any screen saver available in settings. Anyone have an idea on how to get screen saver settings back? The kde4 screen saver package is installed. I asked about this too, I think the answer was that the screensavers are no longer supported/developed.
That's strange. I mean, I know they aren't necessary, but sometimes it is nice to have the matrix numbers running down the screen, or a long running random slideshow for when you aren't doing anything else. Nice to have something besides just turning the screen off if you leave your computer for a few minutes and end up getting stuck somewhere longer than you expected. There are still screensaver packages in the repositories. Seems like someone would figure out a way to be able to install them and make them run. But, there are always trade-offs. I suppose if the developers need the extra time to focus on making the overall system more stable and reliable, then that is probably the better path, even if it means they drop something like unnecessary screen savers.
Screen Savers were necessary for CRT monitors. In the age of LCD/LED screens they just waste energy. And locking the screen ist still possible. Maybe a black/blank screen ist not so nice to look at, by, hey, I'm away, why would I care? :) I'm using KDE, and I have 2 "System Settings" apps. One of them contains a setting which screen saver to use. I don't care whether it starts, anyway ;) Just my 2¢ Werner -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 04/04/2016 13:52, Werner Flamme a écrit :
possible. Maybe a black/blank screen ist not so nice to look at, by, hey, I'm away, why would I care? :)
my mother loved openSUSE screensavers :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2016-04-04 at 13:52 +0200, Werner Flamme wrote:
Screen Savers were necessary for CRT monitors. In the age of LCD/LED screens they just waste energy. And locking the screen ist still possible. Maybe a black/blank screen ist not so nice to look at, by, hey, I'm away, why would I care? :)
I like to trigger a screen saver for some minutes, and then set the display to sleep. That way I have some time to swithc it back on by just moving the mouse if I want. If the backlight is fluorescent, I believe there is some stress in the hardware for each power on cycle. And then I'm carefull to choose one that uses little CPU power. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlcCYiEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VUvQCfWvOiku2whJJI8t7JXCJVRCkd Zn8AoIeUIIGUabccOCbveNZZiszt3rEl =RPY+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/16 13:52, Werner Flamme wrote:
Screen Savers were necessary for CRT monitors. In the age of LCD/LED screens they just waste energy. And locking the screen ist still possible. Maybe a black/blank screen ist not so nice to look at, by, hey, I'm away, why would I care? :)
I bought a new Dell S2240T touchscreen monitor for my parents a while ago, and when reading through the manual, it recommends using a screen saver so as not to let an image imprint itself over time. This surprised me and I wonder if it's really true or just some relic of antiquated manuals which has somehow made its way into their current documentation. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2016-04-04 at 15:10 +0200, gumb wrote:
I bought a new Dell S2240T touchscreen monitor for my parents a while ago, and when reading through the manual, it recommends using a screen saver so as not to let an image imprint itself over time. This surprised me and I wonder if it's really true or just some relic of antiquated manuals which has somehow made its way into their current documentation.
I read the same in one or two TV sets manuals, yes. I don't know how true it is. A Samsung TV I have has some kind of automatic activity detection (of the infrared remote), and if there is none, it switches off. As I use it as display for a top set box, I do not use its remote except to switch it on initially, so I had to disable the feature. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlcCbGwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Wa0gCffW1jYt/nb5oI9MtvuOx8Xp96 4hkAoI9HOWJ5iVAPvFBa+Eh4wg1FIA/H =m3/P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 09:30 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2016-04-04 at 15:10 +0200, gumb wrote:
I bought a new Dell S2240T touchscreen monitor for my parents a while ago, and when reading through the manual, it recommends using a screen saver so as not to let an image imprint itself over time. This surprised me and I wonder if it's really true or just some relic of antiquated manuals which has somehow made its way into their current documentation.
I read the same in one or two TV sets manuals, yes. I don't know how true it is.
The 'classical' justification was cathode ray tube 'burn-in. So what happens now when we have LEDS rather than CRT? That justification doesn't make sense any more. Is there something about burning out LED clusters? I doubt it; how will they get burnt out displaying a static image, much as the 'electronic photo frames' do, rather than being in continuous use with an animated display .... like a screen saver? There's a lot of antiquated use in UI, certainly in the terminology. The "Don;'t touch that dial!" in the days of using a IR remote; we 'dial' the phone using push-buttons. We say something is 'on the frizz'; we refer to the 'icebox'. So what, exactly, are we *saving* with a screen-saver when the 'screen' is an array of LEDS? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/16 15:46, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/04/2016 09:30 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2016-04-04 at 15:10 +0200, gumb wrote:
I bought a new Dell S2240T touchscreen monitor for my parents a while ago, and when reading through the manual, it recommends using a screen saver so as not to let an image imprint itself over time. This surprised me and I wonder if it's really true or just some relic of antiquated manuals which has somehow made its way into their current documentation.
I read the same in one or two TV sets manuals, yes. I don't know how true it is.
The 'classical' justification was cathode ray tube 'burn-in. So what happens now when we have LEDS rather than CRT? That justification doesn't make sense any more.
Is there something about burning out LED clusters? I doubt it; how will they get burnt out displaying a static image, much as the 'electronic photo frames' do, rather than being in continuous use with an animated display .... like a screen saver?
There's a lot of antiquated use in UI, certainly in the terminology. The "Don;'t touch that dial!" in the days of using a IR remote; we 'dial' the phone using push-buttons. We say something is 'on the frizz'; we refer to the 'icebox'.
So what, exactly, are we *saving* with a screen-saver when the 'screen' is an array of LEDS?
I just had a look at the Dell S2240T user manual, and it states, under the Maintenance Guidelines: • To help maintain the best image quality on your monitor, use a dynamically changing screen saver and turn off your monitor when not in use. Under the Troubleshooting chart, there is this entry: Common symptoms: Image retention from a static image left on the monitor for a long period of time What you experience: Faint shadow from the static image displayed appears on the screen Possible solutions: • Use the Power Management feature to turn off the monitor at all times when not in use (for more information, see Power Management Modes). • Alternatively, use a dynamically changing screensaver. The Product Features describe the monitor thus: The Dell S2240T flat panel display has an active matrix, Thin-Film Transistor (TFT), Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) and LED backlight. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 10:11 AM, gumb wrote:
On 04/04/16 15:46, Anton Aylward wrote:
So what, exactly, are we *saving* with a screen-saver when the 'screen' is an array of LEDS?
I just had a look at the Dell S2240T user manual, and it states, under the Maintenance Guidelines:
• To help maintain the best image quality on your monitor, use a dynamically changing screen saver and turn off your monitor when not in use.
The 'turn off when not in use' is probably good advice for a number of electrical and electronic products. Unplug them as well :-)
Under the Troubleshooting chart, there is this entry:
Common symptoms: Image retention from a static image left on the monitor for a long period of time
Yes, that is a classical problem with CRTs. Is it a problem with LEDS/ActiveMatirx/ThinFilm/LCD? I suppose any of them can 'burn out' with over-use (or abuse) but I don't see how this technology suffers from a static image rather than a dynamic image.
What you experience: Faint shadow from the static image displayed appears on the screen
IIR there was, in early models, switching time problems. These days that's well below out perceptual threshold. So where, with this technology, will this 'shadow' come from?
The Product Features describe the monitor thus: The Dell S2240T flat panel display has an active matrix, Thin-Film Transistor (TFT), Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) and LED backlight.
I think the case that its a hangover from old documentation is a good one. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 16:11, gumb wrote:
The Product Features describe the monitor thus: The Dell S2240T flat panel display has an active matrix, Thin-Film Transistor (TFT), Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) and LED backlight.
So the active item is an LCD. The LEDs are for backlight. High intensity LEDs used for room light do experience some fading with the years, I read somewhere. Surely not the case. This new memory effect has then to be associated with the LCD or the TFT. -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 08:46 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/04/2016 09:30 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2016-04-04 at 15:10 +0200, gumb wrote:
I bought a new Dell S2240T touchscreen monitor for my parents a while ago, and when reading through the manual, it recommends using a screen saver so as not to let an image imprint itself over time. This surprised me and I wonder if it's really true or just some relic of antiquated manuals which has somehow made its way into their current documentation. I read the same in one or two TV sets manuals, yes. I don't know how true it is. The 'classical' justification was cathode ray tube 'burn-in. So what happens now when we have LEDS rather than CRT? That justification doesn't make sense any more.
Is there something about burning out LED clusters? I doubt it; how will they get burnt out displaying a static image, much as the 'electronic photo frames' do, rather than being in continuous use with an animated display .... like a screen saver?
There's a lot of antiquated use in UI, certainly in the terminology. The "Don;'t touch that dial!" in the days of using a IR remote; we 'dial' the phone using push-buttons. We say something is 'on the frizz'; we refer to the 'icebox'.
So what, exactly, are we *saving* with a screen-saver when the 'screen' is an array of LEDS?
I don't have LED's. Mine are LCD's. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 05/04/2016 02:50, Billie Walsh a écrit :
I don't have LED's. Mine are LCD's.
LCD is the display, led the light I don't think we can have direct one led for a pixel jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-05 08:38, jdd wrote:
Le 05/04/2016 02:50, Billie Walsh a écrit :
I don't have LED's. Mine are LCD's.
LCD is the display, led the light
I don't think we can have direct one led for a pixel
Well, yes, that technology was also tried. Bigger and fewer pixels. I think it is currently used for huge displays on big public spaces (lowish resolution), or in the street. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2016-04-05 11:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-04-05 08:38, jdd wrote:
Le 05/04/2016 02:50, Billie Walsh a écrit :
I don't have LED's. Mine are LCD's.
LCD is the display, led the light
I don't think we can have direct one led for a pixel
Well, yes, that technology was also tried. Bigger and fewer pixels. I think it is currently used for huge displays on big public spaces (lowish resolution), or in the street.
OLED displays are the new kid on the block: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED Been around a few years now. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/2016 02:38 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 05/04/2016 02:50, Billie Walsh a écrit :
I don't have LED's. Mine are LCD's.
LCD is the display, led the light
I don't think we can have direct one led for a pixel
My phone is a Samsung and uses AMOLED. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2016-04-05 at 07:45 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/05/2016 02:38 AM, jdd wrote:
I don't think we can have direct one led for a pixel
My phone is a Samsung and uses AMOLED. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED
Yes, but not a plain LED. AMOLED is designed to be used in displays. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlcDrjMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VZFACeK4wo7QjAkxPlwakN5fXJOsV7 4ocAn3eN7CjI/NWcyDuDy6SAy2RmhM5u =YXZd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/2016 08:23 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, but not a plain LED. AMOLED is designed to be used in displays.
Are you saying that AMOLED isn't LED technology? I look at the LED lightbulbs I have and they use different types of LEDS. Some are like little bulbs, some are surface mount devices. Are you trying to tell me that there is Only One Type Of True LED and all others that are called leds because they are light emitting semiconductors are not really LEDS? OR ... Are you saying that because the LEDS are used in display, as opposed to 'back-lighting' or 'normal lighting' in household low energy bulbs, they are not real LEDS? Sounds like some kind of religious belief to me! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2016-04-05 at 08:32 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/05/2016 08:23 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, but not a plain LED. AMOLED is designed to be used in displays.
Are you saying that AMOLED isn't LED technology?
I look at the LED lightbulbs I have and they use different types of LEDS. Some are like little bulbs, some are surface mount devices. Are you trying to tell me that there is Only One Type Of True LED and all others that are called leds because they are light emitting semiconductors are not really LEDS?
OR ...
Are you saying that because the LEDS are used in display, as opposed to 'back-lighting' or 'normal lighting' in household low energy bulbs, they are not real LEDS?
Sounds like some kind of religious belief to me!
No, my engineering background kicked it :-) Of course OLED (used in AMOLED) are LED. But not the classic or plain LED. OLED is an organic LED. A LED is made of crystals. The principle is the same, the manufacturing technology isn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-emitting_diode Not all LED technologies can be applied to build a compact display at a reasonable price, small pixel size, and all the qualities that make a good display. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlcDtVsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VNLACeP+el/tREkdICEGO0DGlnjO5u x/gAn0L1R+IiD8khv22PKUjSMK7+iFSn =ikrA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/2016 08:53 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Not all LED technologies can be applied to build a compact display at a reasonable price, small pixel size, and all the qualities that make a good display.
So what? Not all LED technologies can be used to make household lights. Not all LEDS can be used to make the laser sights for guns a rifles. But a LED is a light emitting semiconductor. Heck, some of them are not a diode in the same sense a power rectifier or a Zenner Noise generator is a diode. But they are all semiconductors. The fact that the OLDED/AMOLED uses 'organic' semiconductors rather than silicon, germanium or sapphire is beside the point. So what? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2016-04-05 at 09:40 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/05/2016 08:53 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Not all LED technologies can be applied to build a compact display at a reasonable price, small pixel size, and all the qualities that make a good display.
So what?
Not all LED technologies can be used to make household lights. Not all LEDS can be used to make the laser sights for guns a rifles.
But a LED is a light emitting semiconductor. Heck, some of them are not a diode in the same sense a power rectifier or a Zenner Noise generator is a diode. But they are all semiconductors. The fact that the OLDED/AMOLED uses 'organic' semiconductors rather than silicon, germanium or sapphire is beside the point.
So what?
By "LED" I understand a LED that is NOT an OLED. Made from crystals. Bigger. At least in the context of computer/tv/tablet displays. You do not see a computer display nowdays made of "LEDs". Find me an spec of a computer display that says "made of LEDs". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlcDyCAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U7zwCaApH/BYigL+EAnbsx9xmTAYAQ LcgAnRxW9io1kbTOyUa+bGid49AcLe0x =pi/J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-05 15:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You do not see a computer display nowdays made of "LEDs". Find me an spec of a computer display that says "made of LEDs".
Just type 'OLED monitor' into google and you'll have a long list to buy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-05 16:26, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-04-05 15:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You do not see a computer display nowdays made of "LEDs". Find me an spec of a computer display that says "made of LEDs".
Just type 'OLED monitor' into google and you'll have a long list to buy.
You too? No, I want you to find me monitors that use "Plain LEDs". NOT OLEDs. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2016-04-05 15:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-04-05 16:26, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-04-05 15:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You do not see a computer display nowdays made of "LEDs". Find me an spec of a computer display that says "made of LEDs".
Just type 'OLED monitor' into google and you'll have a long list to buy.
You too? No, I want you to find me monitors that use "Plain LEDs". NOT OLEDs.
OLEDs are LEDs. What is a 'Plain LED'? You'll need to do your own search, I think. You could also look for monitors that use CRTs, as well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-05 16:34, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-04-05 15:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-04-05 16:26, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-04-05 15:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You do not see a computer display nowdays made of "LEDs". Find me an spec of a computer display that says "made of LEDs".
Just type 'OLED monitor' into google and you'll have a long list to buy.
You too? No, I want you to find me monitors that use "Plain LEDs". NOT OLEDs.
OLEDs are LEDs. What is a 'Plain LED'? You'll need to do your own search, I think. You could also look for monitors that use CRTs, as well.
No, I will not. I know that plain LED monitors are not sold. Here in Spain we differentiate between OLED displays and plain LED monitors. Maybe in your country they sell them. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2016-04-06 04:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
No, I will not. I know that plain LED monitors are not sold. Here in Spain we differentiate between OLED displays and plain LED monitors. Maybe in your country they sell them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_display vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED And I will not talk more of this disgusting subject :-/ -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 05/04/16 09:04 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-04-06 04:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
No, I will not. I know that plain LED monitors are not sold. Here in Spain we differentiate between OLED displays and plain LED monitors. Maybe in your country they sell them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_display
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED
And I will not talk more of this disgusting subject :-/
Praise be unto (name of deity here)!!! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/2016 10:29 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You too? No, I want you to find me monitors that use "Plain LEDs". NOT OLEDs.
You seem convinced that somehow OLEDS are not real LEDS. So how would you classify the tiny surface mount chops that are used in arrays on many "LED bulbs"? They are not anything like the bulb-shaped LEDS that are used as indicators, nor the bulb shaped LEDS in some of the "spotlight" style LED lightbulbs. LEDS are semiconductors and have been made from a variety of materials. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_materials I recall hearing of a uranium oxide LED that was 'self powering. Not a production item, of course, but a lab experiment to show that it could be done. So why are screens/monitors made from OLEDS and not something else? Simple: Economics. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-05 16:42, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 04/05/2016 10:29 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You too? No, I want you to find me monitors that use "Plain LEDs". NOT OLEDs.
You seem convinced that somehow OLEDS are not real LEDS.
That's not what I said. I know what they are, my training is in Electronics. OLEDS are special type of LEDS. NOT plain LEDS. No one sells a computer monitor made with plain old LED in a matrix for use on tables. You are twisting the language in order to argue. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Le 05/04/2016 16:29, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You too? No, I want you to find me monitors that use "Plain LEDs". NOT OLEDs.
it may not be useful to open a dispute on this. I myself said that I didn't know if... I didn't even know exactly how oled worked. I learned something :-) but to go back to the subject, are oled screens wearing globally or per individual pixels? that could make screensavers again useful thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/2016 09:43 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 05/04/2016 16:29, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You too? No, I want you to find me monitors that use "Plain LEDs". NOT OLEDs.
it may not be useful to open a dispute on this. I myself said that I didn't know if...
I didn't even know exactly how oled worked. I learned something :-)
but to go back to the subject, are oled screens wearing globally or per individual pixels? that could make screensavers again useful
thanks jdd
Somebody who makes a few LED screens of various types says it is something to be aware of. http://www.samsung.com/ca/support/skp/faq/441670 In my experience, image burn does not seem permanent, on any kind of LED as it was on CRTs, but it will still show up days later, and only slowly go away. After 9/11 we had TVs glued to various news channels 24/7 and those channels kept their banners in certain places, and these showed visibly for some time. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op dinsdag 5 april 2016 11:04:19 CEST schreef John Andersen:
On 04/05/2016 09:43 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 05/04/2016 16:29, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
You too? No, I want you to find me monitors that use "Plain LEDs". NOT OLEDs.
it may not be useful to open a dispute on this. I myself said that I didn't know if...
I didn't even know exactly how oled worked. I learned something :-)
but to go back to the subject, are oled screens wearing globally or per individual pixels? that could make screensavers again useful
thanks jdd
Somebody who makes a few LED screens of various types says it is something to be aware of.
http://www.samsung.com/ca/support/skp/faq/441670
In my experience, image burn does not seem permanent, on any kind of LED as it was on CRTs, but it will still show up days later, and only slowly go away.
After 9/11 we had TVs glued to various news channels 24/7 and those channels kept their banners in certain places, and these showed visibly for some time.
My experience too. A customer had a webapplication running for box office sales, which seemed to show the same burn-in on a LED based monitor as the CRT that was used before. At some linux meeting a guy stated that he had "fixed" this on a couple of monitors by hooking them up elsewhere and have a screensaver running for a couple of days. Which, much to my surprise worked. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/2016 10:13 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
By "LED" I understand a LED that is NOT an OLED. Made from crystals. Bigger. At least in the context of computer/tv/tablet displays.
And transistors? You want them bugger? Little silver top hats about the size of a eraser on the end of a pencil with three wires coming out and a red or blue paint dot on the top? Not, as in the context of the computer/tv/tablets the cpu/gpu chip the size of your little fingernail with 200,000 transistors, still made from crystals? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/04/16 08:34 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
By "LED" I understand a LED that is NOT an OLED. Made from crystals. Bigger. At least in the context of computer/tv/tablet displays. And transistors? You want them bugger? Little silver top hats about
On 04/05/2016 10:13 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: the size of a eraser on the end of a pencil with three wires coming out and a red or blue paint dot on the top?
Not, as in the context of the computer/tv/tablets the cpu/gpu chip the size of your little fingernail with 200,000 transistors, still made from crystals?
For the love of (name of deity here), would you two *please* stop it? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 06:21 AM, tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
On 04/04/2016 01:10 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
In all my messing around with kde and plasma settings, there is no longer any screen saver available in settings. Anyone have an idea on how to get screen saver settings back? The kde4 screen saver package is installed. I asked about this too, I think the answer was that the screensavers are no longer supported/developed.
That's strange. I mean, I know they aren't necessary, but sometimes it is nice to have the matrix numbers running down the screen
Yes, it's an art form, like demos. I love seeing "Lament" when I walk into the machine room in the morning. 1) install xscreensaver and any extra modules you want (should give you a "Screensaver" entry in settings) 2) System Settings / Startup and Shutdown click "Add Program", enter "xscreensaver -nosplash" 3) set keyboard shortcut to lock screen: System Settings / Shortcuts Custom Shortcuts, Edit button, New -> Global Shortcut -> Command/URL Trigger: Ctrl+Alt+S, Action: "xscreensaver-command -lock" Flying toasters! Swimming sharks! Enjoy! -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
On 04/04/2016 01:10 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
In all my messing around with kde and plasma settings, there is no longer any screen saver available in settings. Anyone have an idea on how to get screen saver settings back? The kde4 screen saver package is installed. I asked about this too, I think the answer was that the screensavers are no longer supported/developed.
That's strange. I mean, I know they aren't necessary, but sometimes it is nice to have the matrix numbers running down the screen, or a long running random slideshow for when you aren't doing anything else.
I agree, I also miss them, but as Werner says they are superfluous. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 07:26 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
On 04/04/2016 01:10 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
In all my messing around with kde and plasma settings, there is no longer any screen saver available in settings. Anyone have an idea on how to get screen saver settings back? The kde4 screen saver package is installed. I asked about this too, I think the answer was that the screensavers are no longer supported/developed.
That's strange. I mean, I know they aren't necessary, but sometimes it is nice to have the matrix numbers running down the screen, or a long running random slideshow for when you aren't doing anything else. I agree, I also miss them, but as Werner says they are superfluous.
Wrong. Screens may not really need them but there is need and there is NEED. I use the xscreen saver and the big digital clock floating around is handy to know what time it is when your not doing anything special. Of course if you have a blank desktop a slide show of beautiful images is good also. Not a "screen saver" as such but............................. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Billie Walsh wrote:
On 04/04/2016 07:26 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
On 04/04/2016 01:10 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
In all my messing around with kde and plasma settings, there is no longer any screen saver available in settings. Anyone have an idea on how to get screen saver settings back? The kde4 screen saver package is installed. I asked about this too, I think the answer was that the screensavers are no longer supported/developed.
That's strange. I mean, I know they aren't necessary, but sometimes it is nice to have the matrix numbers running down the screen, or a long running random slideshow for when you aren't doing anything else. I agree, I also miss them, but as Werner says they are superfluous.
Wrong. Screens may not really need them but there is need and there is NEED. I use the xscreen saver and the big digital clock floating around is handy to know what time it is when your not doing anything special.
Right, we like to do that too. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.3°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 09:17 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Wrong. Screens may not really need them but there is need and there is NEED. I use the xscreen saver and the big digital clock floating around is handy to know what time it is when your not doing anything special.
Right, we like to do that too.
LOL! +1 -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Wrong. Screens may not really need them but there is need and there is NEED. I use the xscreen saver and the big digital clock floating around is handy to know what time it is when your not doing anything special.
I have my main computer voice the time every half hour, running from a cron job. Unfortunately it fails often for reasons I don't have clear. It is related to ownership of the sound devices by the user in the seat; the scripts are run by root. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlcCbVgACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XqmgCeMz3txu7jaHADsJzIwIGfs+wm rrIAn31cgmya0ZvjMVVMYQE/0AVeRqFW =O+AK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-04 14:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have my main computer voice the time every half hour, running from a cron job. Unfortunately it fails often for reasons I don't have clear. It is related to ownership of the sound devices by the user in the seat; the scripts are run by root.
If you su root and run the job from a terminal, you'll see the error messages. IIRC it can't connect to the dbus. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 15:47, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-04-04 14:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have my main computer voice the time every half hour, running from a cron job. Unfortunately it fails often for reasons I don't have clear. It is related to ownership of the sound devices by the user in the seat; the scripts are run by root.
If you su root and run the job from a terminal, you'll see the error messages. IIRC it can't connect to the dbus.
Nope, because the error is also related to been run from cron, without a terminal. I can tell it to mail whatever errors it sees, though. But that was not the main problem, I did see the error messages, just that I couldn't solve the issue. I'll try again later and give more information here. Last time I tried was many months ago, so I may be wrong in my recollections ;-) -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:22, Carlos E. R.
On 04/04/2016 15:47, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-04-04 14:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have my main computer voice the time every half hour, running from a cron job. Unfortunately it fails often for reasons I don't have clear. It is related to ownership of the sound devices by the user in the seat; the scripts are run by root.
If you su root and run the job from a terminal, you'll see the error messages. IIRC it can't connect to the dbus.
Nope, because the error is also related to been run from cron, without a terminal. I can tell it to mail whatever errors it sees, though.
But that was not the main problem, I did see the error messages, just that I couldn't solve the issue. I'll try again later and give more information here. Last time I tried was many months ago, so I may be wrong in my recollections ;-)
Huh? Let's see, this is what I use in "/etc/cron.d/$USER" [code] # replace $USER with your username! PATH=/home/$USER/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin # line format (start with '-' to reduce logging) #mm hh dom mon dow user cmd -0 * * * * $USER xbell --wait hour -30 * * * * $USER xbell --wait half #-15,45 * * * * $USER xbell quarter -15 * * * * $USER xbell --wait 1q -45 * * * * $USER xbell --wait 3q #EOF [/code] in "$HOME/bin/xbell": [code] #!/bin/bash # ScriptName = /home/$MUSER/bin/xbell # set them as your user MUSER='username aka $USER (string)' MUID='userid aka $UID (number)' # make sure we run as the specified user if test $UID -ne $MUID ; then echo "only $MUSER should run this, abort" >&2 exit 2 fi # make debugging easier if [ "$1" = "-x" ] ; then shift; set -x fi # to get Monitor status, and work correcty, set the env export DISPLAY=:0.0 xhost local: >/dev/null xt=$(echo /tmp/.ICE-unix/*) # look at the "$SESSION_MANAGER" in a running X session to get it right. # my box name replaced by "$HOST", set it to your own test -z "$SESSION_MANAGER" && export SESSION_MANAGER=local/$HOST:@$xt,unix/nimbus:$xt test -z "$XAUTHORITY" && export XAUTHORITY=/home/$MUSER/.Xauthority test -z "$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR" && export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/$MUID test -z "$ALSA_CONFIG_PATH" && export ALSA_CONFIG_PATH=/etc/alsa-pulse.conf test -z "$AUDIODRIVER" && export AUDIODRIVER=pulseaudio test -z "$SDL_AUDIODRIVER" && export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse #test -z "$PULSE_SINK" && export PULSE_SINK=alsa_output.pci-0000_00_08.0.analog-stereo # gives "^ Monitor is On$" monitor=$(xset -q |grep Monitor) if [ -z "$IGNOREMONITOR" -a "$monitor" = " Monitor is Off" ]; then if test -t 2 ; then echo $0':: Error: Monitor is not on' >&2 #echo $0':: Error: Monitor is not on' >$HOME/.xsession-errors exit 1 else exit 0 fi fi # mp3 play_cmd_mp3="/usr/bin/mpg123 -o pulse --gapless --stereo -q" # see /usr/bin/paplay --list-file-formats (libsndfile) wav, etc play_cmd_wav="/usr/bin/paplay --client-name=xbell" # sox play_cmd="/usr/bin/play -q" # base of the audio files play_path="/home/public/Audio" # single 'ding' play_quarter="clocks/MSBC_0_15.wav" # double 'ding' play_half="clocks/MSBC_0_30.wav" # triple 'ding' play_3quart="clocks/MSBC_0_45.wav" # full hour play_half="clocks/MSBC_1_00.wav" # generic timer alarm play_timer="alarm-clock-elapsed.wav" # nothing specified play_other="ms_chimes.wav" pf='' p=$1 test -z $p && p=other #test -z $p && p=timer case $p in -f|f|hour) pf=$play_path/$play_hour;; -h|h|half|2q*) pf=$play_path/$play_half;; -q|1q*|q|quar*) pf=$play_path/$play_quarter;; -3q|3q*) pf=$play_path/$play_3quart;; -t|t|timer) pf=$play_path/$play_timer;; *) pf=$play_path/$play_other;; esac if test -z "$p" || test -z "$pf" || test ! -s "$pf" ; then test -t 1 && echo $0':: Error: Param "'"$p"'" given, file would be "'"$pf"'", NOT working!' exit 2 fi #ensure pa is running export LOG=/tmp/xbell.log # redir stderr log to stdout : exec 2>&1 # log to file: #exec 2>&1 >>$LOG #echo '.' ; echo '.' ; echo '.' #date +'========== %F %T.%N ===== '"$(id)" if pulseaudio --check >>$LOG; then true #echo ' == IN: '$0' PA is running' ; #>$LOG #printenv ; #>>$LOG else echo ' == EE: '$0' PA not running '$(date +'%F %T') >>$LOG #printenv ; #>>$LOG #echo ' == == ==' ; #>>$LOG pulseaudio --start --log-level=2 --log-target=syslog --exit-idle-time=15 >>$LOG usleep 500000 if pulseaudio --check >>$LOG; then echo ' == EE PA still not running' >>$LOG pacmd info >>$LOG fi fi #echo ' == == == before play == == == ' ;#>>$LOG #pacmd info ; #>>$LOG #echo ' == == == do play == == == ' ;#>>$LOG $play_cmd_wav "$pf" ; #& #$play_cmd "$pf" ; #& #$play_cmd "$pf" -t alsa ; #& #echo ' == == == after play == == == ' ; #>>$LOG #date +"%F_%T.%N xbell $wait_for $p ($pf)" >>$LOG #pacmd info ; #>>$LOG #exit 0 #EOF [/code] Yeah, that's more or less a mess of debugging code that should be cleaned up, but hey, it works with very little changes since OSS 12.3 and a box ago. - Yamaban -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 20:45, Yamaban wrote:
Yeah, that's more or less a mess of debugging code that should be cleaned up, but hey, it works with very little changes since OSS 12.3 and a box ago.
That's a lot of debugging info and code indeed... :-o You run it under a particular user? why? Maybe the same one as has the desktop? -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 20:55, Carlos E. R.
On 04/04/2016 20:45, Yamaban wrote:
Yeah, that's more or less a mess of debugging code that should be cleaned up, but hey, it works with very little changes since OSS 12.3 and a box ago.
That's a lot of debugging info and code indeed... :-o
You run it under a particular user? why? Maybe the same one as has the desktop?
Well, my system is (discounting test-users and guest-user) a single user system, and this is mostly to show that it can work. Given that the old box did not want to work with alsa mixer, and system-wide pulseaudio is discuraged, this was the most easy way to get it working without extra hoops. So, yes, the same user as my desktop user. When the new box came, I just moved the script and the sound files, and changed as little as possible to get it working again. Non the less, the "magic" is in setting up the needed environment to satisfy paplay / pulseaudio. The thing with detecting a blanked / switched monitor was a extra, that was needed at one time (extra sound with own power-supply), later I got the buildin speaker in the screen working via hdmi, but then the monitor would activate and switch on just to play the sound. So that stayed in, and it works. - Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-04-04 19:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 04/04/2016 15:47, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-04-04 14:34, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have my main computer voice the time every half hour, running from a cron job. Unfortunately it fails often for reasons I don't have clear. It is related to ownership of the sound devices by the user in the seat; the scripts are run by root.
If you su root and run the job from a terminal, you'll see the error messages. IIRC it can't connect to the dbus.
Nope, because the error is also related to been run from cron, without a terminal. I can tell it to mail whatever errors it sees, though.
But that was not the main problem, I did see the error messages, just that I couldn't solve the issue. I'll try again later and give more information here. Last time I tried was many months ago, so I may be wrong in my recollections ;-)
Ok, this is what I have currently: /etc/cron.d/mine: 0,30 * * * * cer /home/cer/bin/dar_la_hora_en_cron hora /home/cer/bin/dar_la_hora_en_cron: #!/bin/bash TEMPORAL=`mktemp /tmp/decir.wav.XXXXXXXXXXXXX` ERROR=$? case $ERROR in 0) ;; *) echo "Error $ERROR in mktemp" exit ;; esac #set | grep TERM #Sale "TERM=dumb" case "$1" in time) /bin/date +"%B %e, %k hours %-M minutes " | espeak -v en --stdin -a 20 -w $TEMPORAL ;; hora) LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 LC_ALL=es_ES.UTF-8 /bin/date +"Es %e de %B, y son las %k horas y %-M minutos " | espeak -v es --stdin -a 20 -w $TEMPORAL ;; *) echo -e "Error de entrada en $0" exit ;; esac if test -f $TEMPORAL ; then echo "CER: using gst123 --------------" >> /tmp/dar_la_hora_en_cron.log 2>&1 /usr/bin/gst123 --quiet $TEMPORAL >> /tmp/dar_la_hora_en_cron.log 2>&1 rm $TEMPORAL fi So. It is a cron job running every half hour a script that speaks the time. The script is prepared to give the time in Spanish or English, and works fine on a terminal. The cron job is run by the same user that typically has the seat. I echo the time string to "espeak", which generates a wave file, that has to be reproduced on the speaker on a second step. Currently I use "gst123" to do that. However, the cronjob does not always play. For instance, now it is playing. It only writes this error: tput: No value for $TERM and no -T specified As I have in a comment in the script, "TERM=dumb" If I remove --quiet, then the output is: tput: No value for $TERM and no -T specified The not quiet output is this one: ............... tput: No value for $TERM and no -T specified Playing file:///tmp/decir.wav.5mmgfymNHCEkB Codec : Uncompressed 16-bit PCM audio Bitrate : 0.0 kbit/s .................. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2016-04-05 01:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The not quiet output is this one:
............... tput: No value for $TERM and no -T specified
Playing file:///tmp/decir.wav.5mmgfymNHCEkB
Codec : Uncompressed 16-bit PCM audio Bitrate : 0.0 kbit/s ..................
Or with --verbose Playing file:///tmp/decir.wav.7psayY995f6Db gstreamer pipeline contains: GstPlayBin ( GstPlaySink ( GstStreamSynchronizer GstTee GstBin ( GstAutoAudioSink ( GstPulseSink ) GstQueue GstPlaySinkAudioConvert ( GstIdentity GstAudioConvert GstAudioResample ) ) ) GstURIDecodeBin ( GstFileSrc GstDecodeBin ( GstTypeFindElement GstWavParse ) ) GstInputSelector ) Codec : Uncompressed 16-bit PCM audio Bitrate : 0.0 kbit/s But that is working. Today it does not fail. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Am 04.04.2016 um 15:34 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I have my main computer voice the time every half hour, running from a cron job. Unfortunately it fails often for reasons I don't have clear.
This is because you are in Spain. Time is a strange thing here. Even the world famous church around the corner here sometimes rings the completely wrong hours at completely wrong times, or totally forgets to ring. It's something cultural. Your computer just acclimatised itself. :-) -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona http://www.daniel-bauer.com room in Barcelona: https://www.airbnb.es/rooms/2416137 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 16:55, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 04.04.2016 um 15:34 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I have my main computer voice the time every half hour, running from a cron job. Unfortunately it fails often for reasons I don't have clear.
This is because you are in Spain. Time is a strange thing here. Even the world famous church around the corner here sometimes rings the completely wrong hours at completely wrong times, or totally forgets to ring.
It's something cultural. Your computer just acclimatised itself.
:-)
ROTFL! X'-) -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/04/2016 07:51 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
Wrong. Screens may not really need them but there is need and there is NEED. I use the xscreen saver and the big digital clock floating around is handy to know what time it is when your not doing anything special. Of course if you have a blank desktop a slide show of beautiful images is good also. Not a "screen saver" as such but.............................
Personally, I really liked the Matrix screensaver. I dunno, maybe I'm just a nerd... -- George Box #1: 42.1 | KDE Plasma 5 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Box #2: 13.1 | KDE 4.7.12 | AMD Athlon X3 | 64 | 4GB Laptop #1: 13.1 | KDE 4.7.12 | Core i7-2620M | 64 | 8GB Laptop #2: 42.1 | KDE Plasma 5 | Core i7-4710HQ | 64 | 16GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
On 04/04/2016 07:51 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
Wrong. Screens may not really need them but there is need and there is NEED. I use the xscreen saver and the big digital clock floating around is handy to know what time it is when your not doing anything special. Of course if you have a blank desktop a slide show of beautiful images is good also. Not a "screen saver" as such but.............................
Personally, I really liked the Matrix screensaver. I dunno, maybe I'm just a nerd...
The one was also my favourite on my personal laptop, but in the office it's always been the SBB clock. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/05/2016 01:09 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
tech@reachthetribes.org wrote:
On 04/04/2016 07:51 AM, Billie Walsh wrote:
Wrong. Screens may not really need them but there is need and there is NEED. I use the xscreen saver and the big digital clock floating around is handy to know what time it is when your not doing anything special. Of course if you have a blank desktop a slide show of beautiful images is good also. Not a "screen saver" as such but.............................
Personally, I really liked the Matrix screensaver. I dunno, maybe I'm just a nerd... The one was also my favourite on my personal laptop, but in the office it's always been the SBB clock.
I liked he xscreen saver Substrate. Created some very interesting patterns. -- Fast is fine, but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry. -Wyatt Earp- _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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