On Monday 25 September 2006 3:13 pm, Felix Miata wrote:

On 06/09/25 14:40 (GMT-0400) Paul Abrahams apparently typed:

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I've been using SuSE Linux since its early days (at least pre-5 but I think much earlier than that). However, I don't always update to the latest version. Some versions seem better than others, like wine vintages. Even Chateau Rothschild had a few terrible years. From what I read here it seems that 10.1 was not, on the whole, an improvement over 10.0, mainly because of the updating problems.

So I'm wondering: has anyone noticed a pattern of merit among the x.0, x.1, x.2, and x.3 versions? Or is it just random?

My first ever SUSE was 8.0, but it was my first ever FTP install of any distro, and really just practice at installing that way. I immediately installed 8.1 in its place. I've used all since then. 8.2, 9.0, 9.2, 9.3 & 10.0 were less trouble for me than 8.1, 9.1 and 10.1, but the updating mess is the only real 10.1 problem that got me.

I've generally done better with x.0 and x.2 versions than with x.1 versions. Even accepting the point that each version is somehow better than the previous one, the increment seems greatest for x.0 and x.2, subtracting the losses from the gains. Paul

On Monday 25 September 2006 6:18 pm, PerfectReign wrote:

Well, they're leading you up to the future flagship version - 3.1 - which will be released just prior to the end of the year.

Wasn't there a 3.1 way back when? There almost certainly must have been at least one 3.x. What goes around comes around, I suppose. Paul

BRUCE STANLEY wrote:

PerfectReign wrote: On Mon, September 25, 2006 11:40 am, Paul Abrahams wrote:

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I've been using SuSE Linux since its early days (at least pre-5 but I think much earlier than that). However, I don't always update to the latest version. Some versions seem better than others, like wine vintages. Even Chateau Rothschild had a few terrible years. From what I read here it seems that 10.1 was not, on the whole, an improvement over 10.0, mainly because of the updating problems.

Okay, I'll state it again. 10.1 is better than 10.0. Everything (with the exception of Zen) just works.

As a laptop owner, I am very happy with 10.1 - far better WiFi and USB support than in any previous version that I've tried (9.2-10.0) on the same machine.

Well, based on my experiences, 10.1 has and continues to be a nightmare. I've attempted a reinstall on the same box at least 5 times. I follow all the suggestions I find and that same box still is pretty much useless. I can install any other software because of inconsistencies between patched packages and the related devel packages that have not been patched. Further, I can't add another installation source which might enable me to find the packages necessary to update the devel packages. Seriously looking at Mandriva, and that is not a troll. I've been a faithful user of SuSE since at least 6.4 and have it installed at clients as well as my own systems here. I've never spent this much time trying to get an install to work and I've got experience with other distros (Red Hat, Mandriva) I'm not as green as all these posts might sound. I've got RHWS 4, SuSE 10.0 dual boot laptop. Another laptop with Fedora Core, SuSE 9.3, Solaris multiboot. Running a dual head SuSE 10.0 on my primary box with E17 window manager. I'd love to see how great the wifi support is, but I can't even get the packages installed. -- Until later, Geoffrey Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin

On Tue, September 26, 2006 7:05 am, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:

PerfectReign wrote: On Mon, September 25, 2006 11:40 am, Paul Abrahams wrote:

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I've been using SuSE Linux since its early days (at least pre-5 but I think much earlier than that). However, I don't always update to the latest version. Some versions seem better than others, like wine vintages. Even Chateau Rothschild had a few terrible years. From what I read here it seems that 10.1 was not, on the whole, an improvement over 10.0, mainly because of the updating problems.

Okay, I'll state it again. 10.1 is better than 10.0. Everything (with the exception of Zen) just works.

As a laptop owner, I am very happy with 10.1 - far better WiFi and USB support than in any previous version that I've tried (9.2-10.0) on the same machine.

-- Kai Ponte www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com

Reall? You must not be using a built in modem in you laptop, or at least not a 'AC7 Modem' as in my IBM T-41. There was a driver for it in 10.0 but was removed in 10.1.

I have a modem? :) Seriously, I've never tried to get it working. I haven't used a modem in a few years now. I have no idea if there is/was a driver in 9.3, 10.0 or 10.1 However, removing a modem driver (which can be downloaded and compiled from somewhere I presume) doesn't break a system, IMO.

What Laptop are you using?

Dell 600m and a Gateway m280 TabletPC. (The tablet PC is currently experiencing "issues" as apparently Windows XP did something to GRUB, but that's for another post.) -- kai www.perfectreign.com

The problem is there doesn't seem to be one available anymore that can be downloaded and compiled for Suse 10.1. There were several threads on this back when 10.1 was first released. The 10.0 version will not work with 10.1. I don't remember why. Probably some sort of kernal change.

Okay, I have a Conexant 8280 AC'97 Modem. I eventually found it under networking after wondering why it wasn't in Hardware. (My bad!) I tried to configure it, but YaST insisted on a network provider, phone number username and password. I have no idea why it would want one. I'd probably use the modem for faxin, if anything. It then asked me about configuring mail. In any case, I have no outside phone line ATM to try. I'll try it again when I get home. -- kai www.perfectreign.com