Today I purchased a new video card for my machine. Nothing fancy, an ATI Expert 2000 (Rage 128 w/32MB Ram). I brought it home, opened up my box and installed the new card. Then I powered it up and let it boot into Windows Me. Me detected the card, installed the drivers, asked me to reboot, which I did. After rebooting the card/display worked perfectly, no needed tweaking at all. Next, I rebooted into SuSE 7.1. It bombed. X wouldn't start up. Now I understand that the correct server needs to be installed to get this new card to work. But, I don't know how and can't figure out how to install a new X server after Linux is already installed. I shouldn't have to reinstall the whole shabang just so it can detect my new card. I tried running XF86Setup, but my card isn't listed. I read the manual, it says nothing about how to install a new X server if you upgrade/change your video card. The point I'm trying to make, is that if Linux is going to win the desktop war, it's going to have to be EASY to use. As easy, or easier that Windows. Let's face it, we live in a point-and-click computer world now. Now, don't get me wrong, I dislike Wxxxxxxs/Mxxxxxxxt and their heavy handed tactics as much as some of you do. But, I'm not a programmer or a hacker, I am an end user, I need a system that works and is easy to configure/change/upgrade. I do want to use Linux, but I don't have the time to troubleshoot and tweak every time I make a small upgrade to my system. In my mind, there's no reason why Linux shouldn't detect your new video card and install the correct server, or at least prompt you for the CD so it can be installed. So now, my Linux system is again dead. If someone could help me out, I'm willing to try to get it running again. But, I am getting really frustrated with Linux. Jerry
Jerry Van Brimmer wrote:
Today I purchased a new video card for my machine. Nothing fancy, an ATI Expert 2000 (Rage 128 w/32MB Ram). I brought it home, opened up my box and installed the new card. Then I powered it up and let it boot into Windows Me. Me detected the card, installed the drivers, asked me to reboot, which I did. After rebooting the card/display worked perfectly, no needed tweaking at all. Next, I rebooted into SuSE 7.1. It bombed. X wouldn't start up. Now I understand that the correct server needs to be installed to get this new card to work. But, I don't know how and can't figure out how to install a new X server after Linux is already installed. I shouldn't have to reinstall the whole shabang just so it can detect my new card. I tried running XF86Setup, but my card isn't listed. I read the manual, it says nothing about how to install a new X server if you upgrade/change your video card. The point I'm trying to make, is that if Linux is going to win the desktop war, it's going to have to be EASY to use. As easy, or easier that Windows. Let's face it, we live in a point-and-click computer world now. Now, don't get me wrong, I dislike Wxxxxxxs/Mxxxxxxxt and their heavy handed tactics as much as some of you do. But, I'm not a programmer or a hacker, I am an end user, I need a system that works and is easy to configure/change/upgrade. I do want to use Linux, but I don't have the time to troubleshoot and tweak every time I make a small upgrade to my system. In my mind, there's no reason why Linux shouldn't detect your new video card and install the correct server, or at least prompt you for the CD so it can be installed. So now, my Linux system is again dead. If someone could help me out, I'm willing to try to get it running again. But, I am getting really frustrated with Linux.
Jerry
When it bombs you should still be able to login as root. Do so. Once logged in type the command sax2 or sax if you were using Xfree 3.3. Yes it would be nice if something came up telling you that you have changed the video card and then commences and installation of the new card without having to have the user interfere. That will come with time. Matt
StarTux wrote:
Jerry Van Brimmer wrote:
Today I purchased a new video card for my machine. Nothing fancy, an ATI Expert 2000 (Rage 128 w/32MB Ram). I brought it home, opened up my box and installed the new card. Then I powered it up and let it boot into Windows Me. Me detected the card, installed the drivers, asked me to reboot, which I did. After rebooting the card/display worked perfectly, no needed tweaking at all. Next, I rebooted into SuSE 7.1. It bombed. X wouldn't start up. Now I understand that the correct server needs to be installed to get this new card to work. But, I don't know how and can't figure out how to install a new X server after Linux is already installed. I shouldn't have to reinstall the whole shabang just so it can detect my new card. I tried running XF86Setup, but my card isn't listed. I read the manual, it says nothing about how to install a new X server if you upgrade/change your video card. The point I'm trying to make, is that if Linux is going to win the desktop war, it's going to have to be EASY to use. As easy, or easier that Windows. Let's face it, we live in a point-and-click computer world now. Now, don't get me wrong, I dislike Wxxxxxxs/Mxxxxxxxt and their heavy handed tactics as much as some of you do. But, I'm not a programmer or a hacker, I am an end user, I need a system that works and is easy to configure/change/upgrade. I do want to use Linux, but I don't have the time to troubleshoot and tweak every time I make a small upgrade to my system. In my mind, there's no reason why Linux shouldn't detect your new video card and install the correct server, or at least prompt you for the CD so it can be installed. So now, my Linux system is again dead. If someone could help me out, I'm willing to try to get it running again. But, I am getting really frustrated with Linux.
Jerry
When it bombs you should still be able to login as root. Do so. Once logged in type the command sax2 or sax if you were using Xfree 3.3.
Yes it would be nice if something came up telling you that you have changed the video card and then commences and installation of the new card without having to have the user interfere. That will come with time.
Matt
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I tried that, it still bombs. Get a lot of error messages, but I don't remember what they were. If you're interested I can try again and report back what the errors are. Jerry
Ya, that other OS company that we love to hate does have a setup wherein a default 16/256 generic vga driver runs. Don't all or most video cards adhere to a basice standard, like VESA for monitors? the key is to automate certain functions, have a basic fall back for the X-server so that a generic end-user could still enter the gui and run an email program and a browser in order to post help/support questions and dl drivers, etc. P.S. Hey StarTux, nice post on /. :) Cheers, Curtis On Sunday 17 June 2001 07:18 pm, StarTux wrote:
Jerry Van Brimmer wrote:
Today I purchased a new video card for my machine. Nothing fancy, an ATI Expert 2000 (Rage 128 w/32MB Ram). I brought it home, opened up my box and installed the new card. Then I powered it up and let it boot into Windows Me. Me detected the card, installed the drivers, asked me to reboot, which I did. After rebooting the card/display worked perfectly, no needed tweaking at all. Next, I rebooted into SuSE 7.1. It bombed. X wouldn't start up. Now I understand that the correct server needs to be installed to get this new card to work. But, I don't know how and can't figure out how to install a new X server after Linux is already installed. I shouldn't have to reinstall the whole shabang just so it can detect my new card. I tried running XF86Setup, but my card isn't listed. I read the manual, it says nothing about how to install a new X server if you upgrade/change your video card. The point I'm trying to make, is that if Linux is going to win the desktop war, it's going to have to be EASY to use. As easy, or easier that Windows. Let's face it, we live in a point-and-click computer world now. Now, don't get me wrong, I dislike Wxxxxxxs/Mxxxxxxxt and their heavy handed tactics as much as some of you do. But, I'm not a programmer or a hacker, I am an end user, I need a system that works and is easy to configure/change/upgrade. I do want to use Linux, but I don't have the time to troubleshoot and tweak every time I make a small upgrade to my system. In my mind, there's no reason why Linux shouldn't detect your new video card and install the correct server, or at least prompt you for the CD so it can be installed. So now, my Linux system is again dead. If someone could help me out, I'm willing to try to get it running again. But, I am getting really frustrated with Linux.
Jerry
When it bombs you should still be able to login as root. Do so. Once logged in type the command sax2 or sax if you were using Xfree 3.3.
Yes it would be nice if something came up telling you that you have changed the video card and then commences and installation of the new card without having to have the user interfere. That will come with time.
Matt
<snip> By the way, you are very much on-topic and your rant may get someone thinking... Who knows maybe they will make something that when you enter run level 5 and the X server bombs a program will detect this and then check (this is slightly more techie, maybe it could do an lspci -v and then check what is in /etc/XFree86 and see if the card types match) to see what the difference is. Maybe then it could offer to run X server setup (sax2). Matt
StarTux wrote:
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By the way, you are very much on-topic and your rant may get someone thinking...
Who knows maybe they will make something that when you enter run level 5 and the X server bombs a program will detect this and then check (this is slightly more techie, maybe it could do an lspci -v and then check what is in /etc/XFree86 and see if the card types match) to see what the difference is. Maybe then it could offer to run X server setup (sax2).
Matt
Exactly! Or, I was thinking, if the x server bombs because of someone changing out the video card, maybe a generic default server would run. So you could at least see what your doing and get the correct server installed. One-year olds like me don't know how to use the command line very well yet.
On Sunday 17 June 2001 19:13, you wrote:
Today I purchased a new video card for my machine. Nothing fancy, an ATI Expert 2000 (Rage 128 w/32MB Ram). I brought it home, opened up my box and installed the new card. Then I powered it up and let it boot into Windows Me. Me detected the card, installed the drivers, asked me to reboot, which I did. After rebooting the card/display worked perfectly, no needed tweaking at all. Next, I rebooted into SuSE 7.1. It bombed.
Hi Jerry: This may help. It looks your new video card is a problem child. HTH http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/wessels_problematic_chipsets.html Cause: No driver support available or problems with the existing modules/servers of XFree86 3.3.6 and 4.x.x Solution: Subsequently we´ve a list of all problematic chipsets, which are currently known to the installation support. Each device has a vendor- (producer) and subsystem-id (device-id) which identifies the hardware. With the command /sbin/lspci -n | grep 300 you can find easily the data of your graphics card. If you´ve one of the graphics chipsets listed below, configure it with the following article of our supportdatabase: http://sdb.suse.de/de/sdb/html/wessels_easy_fbdev.html Actually known chipsets: Producer Typ Vendor-ID Device-ID <snip> ATI XPERT 2000 PRO 1002 5446 <snip> X
wouldn't start up. Now I understand that the correct server needs to be installed to get this new card to work. But, I don't know how and can't figure out how to install a new X server after Linux is already installed. I shouldn't have to reinstall the whole shabang just so it can detect my new card. I tried running XF86Setup, but my card isn't listed. I read the manual, it says nothing about how to install a new X server if you upgrade/change your video card. The point I'm trying to make, is that if Linux is going to win the desktop war, it's going to have to be EASY to use. As easy, or easier that Windows. Let's face it, we live in a point-and-click computer world now. Now, don't get me wrong, I dislike Wxxxxxxs/Mxxxxxxxt and their heavy handed tactics as much as some of you do. But, I'm not a programmer or a hacker, I am an end user, I need a system that works and is easy to configure/change/upgrade. I do want to use Linux, but I don't have the time to troubleshoot and tweak every time I make a small upgrade to my system. In my mind, there's no reason why Linux shouldn't detect your new video card and install the correct server, or at least prompt you for the CD so it can be installed. So now, my Linux system is again dead. If someone could help me out, I'm willing to try to get it running again. But, I am getting really frustrated with Linux.
Jerry
-- Cheers, Jonathan
Hi Jerry:
This may help. It looks your new video card is a problem child. HTH
http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/wessels_problematic_chipsets.html
Cause: No driver support available or problems with the existing modules/servers of XFree86 3.3.6 and 4.x.x Solution: Subsequently we´ve a list of all problematic chipsets, which are currently known to the installation support. Each device has a vendor- (producer) and subsystem-id (device-id) which identifies the hardware. With the command
/sbin/lspci -n | grep 300
you can find easily the data of your graphics card. If you´ve one of the graphics chipsets listed below, configure it with the following article of our supportdatabase: http://sdb.suse.de/de/sdb/html/wessels_easy_fbdev.html
Actually known chipsets:
Producer Typ Vendor-ID Device-ID
<snip>
ATI XPERT 2000 PRO 1002 5446
<snip>
I guess I should have checked the Data Base before purchasing this card. But, I thought, ATI, they're good with Linux, and someone else told me the same thing so I went ahead and bought it. Right now I'll also take some suggestions for a good video card to buy.
Jerry Van Brimmer
Today I purchased a new video card for my machine. Nothing fancy, an ATI Expert 2000 (Rage 128 w/32MB Ram). I brought it home, opened up my box and installed the new card. Then I powered it up and let it boot into Windows Me. Me detected the card, installed the drivers, asked me to reboot, which I did. After rebooting the card/display worked perfectly, no needed tweaking at all. Next, I rebooted into SuSE 7.1. It bombed. X wouldn't start up. Now I understand that the correct server needs to be installed to get this new card to work. But, I don't know how and can't figure out how to install a new X server after Linux is already installed. I shouldn't have to reinstall the whole shabang just so it can detect my new card.
I run the following: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RF which is in real life a ATI XPERT 2000 23meg PCI video card. I am currently running 7.0 though and the stock XF86. Works exceedingly well I may add. I'd run yast2 to pick up the card myself. /Dee
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 17 June 2001 20:13, Jerry Van Brimmer babbled:
Today I purchased a new video card for my machine. Nothing fancy, an ATI Expert 2000 (Rage 128 w/32MB Ram). I brought it home, opened up my box and installed the new card. Then I powered it up and let it boot into Windows Me. Me detected the card, installed the drivers, asked me to reboot, which I did. After rebooting the card/display worked perfectly, no needed tweaking at all. Next, I rebooted into SuSE 7.1. It bombed. X wouldn't start up. Now I understand that the correct server needs to be installed to get this new card to work. But, I don't know how and can't figure out how to install a new X server after Linux is already installed. I shouldn't have to reinstall the whole shabang just so it can detect my new card. I tried running XF86Setup, but my card isn't listed. I read the manual, it says nothing about how to install a new X server if you upgrade/change your video card. The point I'm trying to make, is that if Linux is going to win the desktop war, it's going to have to be EASY to use. As easy, or easier that Windows. Let's face it, we live in a point-and-click computer world now. Now, don't get me wrong, I dislike Wxxxxxxs/Mxxxxxxxt and their heavy handed tactics as much as some of you do. But, I'm not a programmer or a hacker, I am an end user, I need a system that works and is easy to configure/change/upgrade. I do want to use Linux, but I don't have the time to troubleshoot and tweak every time I make a small upgrade to my system. In my mind, there's no reason why Linux shouldn't detect your new video card and install the correct server, or at least prompt you for the CD so it can be installed. So now, my Linux system is again dead. If someone could help me out, I'm willing to try to get it running again. But, I am getting really frustrated with Linux.
Jerry
If this is the AGP model, you need to use the ChipID line in your XF86Config file to specify it. I had to do this for mine. The section looks like: # Device configured by xf86config: Section "Device" Identifier "ATI Rage 128" Driver "ati" VideoRam 32768 ChipID 0x5246 Option "AGPMode" "4" #Option "AGPMode" "2" EndSection I've been told that some XPERT 2000 cards have another chip id, but give this a try - -- Douglas J. Hunley (Linux User #174778) http://hunley.homeip.net/ http://linux.nf/ America is like a melting pot - the scum rises to the top and the ones on the bottom get burned. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjstV/cACgkQOPP+k4ZeTm3c0ACbB+Ey1QdJWCPXCyaGHPjNdKl1 5FsAnAsMcFESLyuW6MGSb4gemmRFDYHi =3j/l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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