[opensuse] Sound issues when installing 10.2
I've just installed 10.2. The installation itself goes ok. I've installed the default selection for KDE, and doen the online update during install. No additional tweaking or fiddling. Everything seems OK until KDE starts up. In KDE, I have no sound at all. If I fire up YAST and check the Sound card set up there, it's identified the Soundblaster Live 24 that I have, and if I test the sound, it works fine (I hear the sample sound). This isn't a case of the volumes are turned down... this is KDE not picking up the sound card - anything that attempts to play a sound in KDE is either totally silent, or errors out with a message about no sound device found. If I plug in my Logitech USB headset (was not connected at install), any sounds I attempt to play are routed there (eg Amarok stops complaining that there are no audio devices and plays any OGG file I feed it). I've also gone into YAST and told it to set snd0 (my SoundBlaster Live 24) as the default/primary card. No changes. In YAST I can play test sounds through the sound card, but nowhere else (so far) I've tried adding a new user... same problem. I've exited to init 3 logged in as root, deleted _everything_ in my /home/$USER and back to init 5. Still.. exact same situation. So.. ummm.. now what? Not 100% sure where to take this.. or how to solve it. Any suggestions? C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
I've just installed 10.2. The installation itself goes ok. I've installed the default selection for KDE, and doen the online update during install. No additional tweaking or fiddling.
Everything seems OK until KDE starts up. In KDE, I have no sound at all. If I fire up YAST and check the Sound card set up there, it's identified the Soundblaster Live 24 that I have, and if I test the sound, it works fine (I hear the sample sound).
This isn't a case of the volumes are turned down... this is KDE not picking up the sound card - anything that attempts to play a sound in KDE is either totally silent, or errors out with a message about no sound device found.
If I plug in my Logitech USB headset (was not connected at install), any sounds I attempt to play are routed there (eg Amarok stops complaining that there are no audio devices and plays any OGG file I feed it).
I've also gone into YAST and told it to set snd0 (my SoundBlaster Live 24) as the default/primary card. No changes. In YAST I can play test sounds through the sound card, but nowhere else (so far)
I've tried adding a new user... same problem. I've exited to init 3 logged in as root, deleted _everything_ in my /home/$USER and back to init 5. Still.. exact same situation.
So.. ummm.. now what? Not 100% sure where to take this.. or how to solve it. Any suggestions?
I am having or had (am not too sure at the moment with so much fiddling going on! :-( ) with sound in 10.2 (I mentioned it in the factory list) but re your hassle: did you set the sound system in Personal Settings - Audio for Alsa sound system? Also check to see if in Kmix you have the green LEDs showing to indicate that the (correct) channel(s) is/has been activated. (BTW, are you working with 32- or 64-bit? I ask because I was/am having trouble with 32-bit but someone with 64-bit was replying to me saying that he was not having problems.) (I should mention that I was getting sound when doing the test for sound and was getting sound when playing an audio CD but could not get sound in kradio nor tvtimes or the other tv apps.) Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
but re your hassle: did you set the sound system in Personal Settings - Audio for Alsa sound system?
Yes, and it makes no difference. As far as KDE is concerned, I do not have a sound card. This is despite the fact that at system level (outside the WM), the soundcard is correctly configured and works fine.
Also check to see if in Kmix you have the green LEDs showing to indicate that the (correct) channel(s) is/has been activated.
Not possible. KMix (and KDE in general) does not see any sound card at all unless I plug in my USB headset... then it sees the headset and I can control the volumes for the headset only. There is no possibility in KMix to change to any other sound card...
(BTW, are you working with 32- or 64-bit?
I've installed the 32bit from DVD (downloaded via BitTorrent). I know the hardware is 100% ok, because my Kubuntu partition is fine, and I previously had 10.2 RC1 installed (up until a few hours ago) and it was also fine. I'm going to try a complete wipe of the root partition, and delete all users that were created for 10.2 and start clean... see what happens. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I'm going to try a complete wipe of the root partition, and delete all users that were created for 10.2 and start clean... see what happens.
OK, I deleted the users from /home, and did a complete reformat/reinstall of the 10.2 root partition (using the 32 bit install off the 10.2 DVD iso). I installed KDE and Gnome, and had a smooth easy install (as every time so far with 10.2). As part of the install the sound card config correctly identified and set up my sound card (Soundblaster 24 Live). I tested the card during the install config - turned up the volumes to 80% - and sound is working exactly as expected. I completed the install, and started up KDE. No sound. As far as KDE is concerned, there are no sound devices. Logged out and started up Gnome. Same thing. Gnome tells me that there is no sound hardware present on my computer. If I start up YAST, the sound card is there and correctly configured. Testing in YAST, and sound plays fine. This shows it's identified.... cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [CA0106 ]: CA0106 - CA0106 Live! 7.1 24bit [SB0410] at 0xdc00 irq 50 1 [UART ]: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 5 This seems to be a problem that other people are having too... https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227420 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216123 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223724 So... until this is corrected, I won't be using 10.2 :-( Bummer.. everything else seems to be working so nicely. Anyway, if anyone else is having the same sound card problem, it's probably worth subscribing to/monitoring the above bugs. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
but re your hassle: did you set the sound system in Personal Settings - Audio for Alsa sound system?
Yes, and it makes no difference. As far as KDE is concerned, I do not have a sound card. This is despite the fact that at system level (outside the WM), the soundcard is correctly configured and works fine.
Also check to see if in Kmix you have the green LEDs showing to indicate that the (correct) channel(s) is/has been activated.
Not possible. KMix (and KDE in general) does not see any sound card at all unless I plug in my USB headset... then it sees the headset and I can control the volumes for the headset only. There is no possibility in KMix to change to any other sound card...
(BTW, are you working with 32- or 64-bit?
I've installed the 32bit from DVD (downloaded via BitTorrent).
I know the hardware is 100% ok, because my Kubuntu partition is fine, and I previously had 10.2 RC1 installed (up until a few hours ago) and it was also fine.
I'm going to try a complete wipe of the root partition, and delete all users that were created for 10.2 and start clean... see what happens.
OK, see if this is of any help. We are both running 32-bit 10.2. I have an SB Audigy 4 card with the soundfonts for it installed. The kmix menu which comes up does not display any green LEDs which in earlier versions indicated whether a channel was muted or not muted. (The chap I referred to earlier who is using the 64-bit 10.2 sent a couple of screenshots of his Kmix where the green LEDs were showing.) I can hear sound when I play a CD, a DVD but I had no sound when I used (see further) kradio and tvtime. I then uninstalled kdemultimedia3-mixer and then reinstalled it. Doing this now gives me sound *but only at about 1/2 volume* with tvtime and kradio - but still no green LEDs in Kmix. I am at a total loss as to why I am only getting ~1/2 volume with tvtime and kradio (but full volume with CD/DVD thru Amarok/xine) when the same setup on 10.1 is working perfectly. Oh, another thing. With kradio I could not - and cannot because the setting does not "stick" - get it to play and got error message everytime. I worked the problem out which was that kradio for some damn reason defaults to a setting of /dev/radio1 - which does not exist - and when I reset this to /dev/radio0 (v4l Radio>Devices>/dev/radio1-->../radio0 ) it then works as expected. Submitted here for your info in the hope that it may be of some use to you :-) . Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
The kmix menu which comes up does not display any green LEDs which in earlier versions indicated whether a channel was muted or not muted.
I think we're facing totally different but similar issues. In my case, KMix is working fine... when I plug in my USB headset, it's immediately identified as a valid sound device, and KMix is more than happy to manage the volume settings. It is the only device that is identified though. The PCI sound card is not picked up at all by KDE or Gnome, despite the fact it's working outside of the window managers. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
The kmix menu which comes up does not display any green LEDs which in earlier versions indicated whether a channel was muted or not muted.
I think we're facing totally different but similar issues. In my case, KMix is working fine... when I plug in my USB headset, it's immediately identified as a valid sound device, and KMix is more than happy to manage the volume settings. It is the only device that is identified though. The PCI sound card is not picked up at all by KDE or Gnome, despite the fact it's working outside of the window managers.
C.
Is this the card you have?- http://www.krex.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=514 Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Is this the card you have?-
http://www.krex.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=514
Yes, that's the card. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 11 December 2006 04:55, Clayton wrote:
Is this the card you have?-
http://www.krex.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=514
Yes, that's the card.
C
Sorry; I haven't been following this thread from the beginning but I had a problem with sound where KDE simply did not seem to be able to detect the card even though the card seem to work okay otherwise. I created a new user account and found that the sound work perfectly and that the problem seem to be something in my setup (as I had retained my user account and home area from a previous version). Thus by renaming my home area, deleting my account and recreating it and then moving data file etc. into my new home area the sound works okay now. Hope that helps. Eddie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
eddieleprince wrote:
On Monday 11 December 2006 04:55, Clayton wrote:
Is this the card you have?-
http://www.krex.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=514 Yes, that's the card.
C
Sorry; I haven't been following this thread from the beginning but I had a problem with sound where KDE simply did not seem to be able to detect the card even though the card seem to work okay otherwise. I created a new user account and found that the sound work perfectly and that the problem seem to be something in my setup (as I had retained my user account and home area from a previous version). Thus by renaming my home area, deleting my account and recreating it and then moving data file etc. into my new home area the sound works okay now.
Hope that helps.
Regrettably, in my case, and in Clayton's case I believe, it is a brand new installation with a spanking brand new home directory so the above does not apply :-( . Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sorry; I haven't been following this thread from the beginning but I had a problem with sound where KDE simply did not seem to be able to detect the card even though the card seem to work okay otherwise. I created a new user account and found that the sound work perfectly and that the problem seem to be something in my setup (as I had retained my user account and home area from a previous version). Thus by renaming my home area, deleting my account and recreating it and then moving data file etc. into my new home area the sound works okay now.
Nope, that's not the issue in my case. I've got a clean install (and reinstalled 3 times over the weekend) with a clean /home (ie a new user, no old settings copied over). The issue is detailed in at least these bugs (and possibly a few others): https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=227420 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216123 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223724 C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
Is this the card you have?-
http://www.krex.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=514
Yes, that's the card.
OK, I may be on to something here -- maybe. Do you still have 10.1 installed where the same card and kmix are working OK? I hope so... :-) . It is a very strange thing that 10.2 recognises the same card as a different card to what 10.1 has and where it is working without a hitch. When I do 'cat /proc/asound/cards' in 10.1 I get that my card is an Audigy 4 [SB0400] using IRQ 177. When I do same in 10.2 I get that my card is an Audigy 4 [SB0610] using an IRQ 217. OK, I won't quibble about the IRQ but the SB number is a totally different matter. It seems that (?)KDE applies a different kmix menu to different cards which is why I don't have, for example, the green LEDs showing in kmix. Also, I do not have the same channels showing in 10.2 as I do in 10.1 -- in fact the same applies in Yast Control Centre>Hardware>Sound where when I go to check the volume I don't have the same list of channels showing. (So, the whole thing may be Yast related rather than KDE - which one sets the kmix display?) Check the above in 10.1 and 10.2 and see if your card is recognised correctly and let me know 'cause I am damn curious :-) . And if the results *are* different then we need to find out who to badger about getting this bug fixed. Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Do you still have 10.1 installed where the same card and kmix are working OK? I hope so... :-) .
Errr.. nope. The only fully functioning Linux install I have right now is Kubuntu 6.10. :-P But... I can check /proc/asound/cards there and see what it produces (since it's all working perfectly there) and compare it with 10.2. Can't do that until tonight though... they don't let me ssh tunnel to my home computer from work. Sigh.
Also, I do not have the same channels showing in 10.2 as I do in 10.1 --
Interesting. In my SUSE10.2 install - YAST shows all the same channels as 10.1 did, and as is shown in Kubuntu 6.10... so in my case I never really keyed on this as a possible start into the problem.
showing. (So, the whole thing may be Yast related rather than KDE - which one sets the kmix display?)
OK, but... if it's YAST related, then why does the sound card work fine outside of a Window Manager? ie in YAST tests it's fine? In your case, KMix is at least picking up the card :-) In my install there's nothing there at all - although, that could be the same symptom since we have slightly different cards. The frustrating thing is, this error/bug has been around since Beta1. :-(
And if the results *are* different then we need to find out who to badger about getting this bug fixed.
The bug owners? It is assigned... but not a lot of activity recently on the bugs. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
......for me at least. Clayton wrote:
Do you still have 10.1 installed where the same card and kmix are working OK? I hope so... :-) .
Errr.. nope. The only fully functioning Linux install I have right now is Kubuntu 6.10. :-P But... I can check /proc/asound/cards there and see what it produces (since it's all working perfectly there) and compare it with 10.2. Can't do that until tonight though... they don't let me ssh tunnel to my home computer from work. Sigh.
Also, I do not have the same channels showing in 10.2 as I do in 10.1 --
Interesting. In my SUSE10.2 install - YAST shows all the same channels as 10.1 did, and as is shown in Kubuntu 6.10... so in my case I never really keyed on this as a possible start into the problem.
showing. (So, the whole thing may be Yast related rather than KDE - which one sets the kmix display?)
OK, but... if it's YAST related, then why does the sound card work fine outside of a Window Manager? ie in YAST tests it's fine? In your case, KMix is at least picking up the card :-) In my install there's nothing there at all - although, that could be the same symptom since we have slightly different cards.
The frustrating thing is, this error/bug has been around since Beta1. :-(
And if the results *are* different then we need to find out who to badger about getting this bug fixed.
The bug owners? It is assigned... but not a lot of activity recently on the bugs.
OK, forget about kmix - stick it up the jumper, it's bloody hopeless in 10.2 :-( . Someone stuffed up pretty badly in 10.2 with kmix. Install alsamixer. When installed, lick on LINE (the bottom part will go grey) and then use the up arrow on keyboard to raise the volume setting from zero to wherever you want it. But make sure that your external volume control, if you have one, is turned down before you do this :-) . Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
......for me at least.
Clayton wrote:
Do you still have 10.1 installed where the same card and kmix are working OK? I hope so... :-) .
Errr.. nope. The only fully functioning Linux install I have right now is Kubuntu 6.10. :-P But... I can check /proc/asound/cards there and see what it produces (since it's all working perfectly there) and compare it with 10.2. Can't do that until tonight though... they don't let me ssh tunnel to my home computer from work. Sigh.
Also, I do not have the same channels showing in 10.2 as I do in 10.1 --
Interesting. In my SUSE10.2 install - YAST shows all the same channels as 10.1 did, and as is shown in Kubuntu 6.10... so in my case I never really keyed on this as a possible start into the problem.
showing. (So, the whole thing may be Yast related rather than KDE - which one sets the kmix display?)
OK, but... if it's YAST related, then why does the sound card work fine outside of a Window Manager? ie in YAST tests it's fine? In your case, KMix is at least picking up the card :-) In my install there's nothing there at all - although, that could be the same symptom since we have slightly different cards.
The frustrating thing is, this error/bug has been around since Beta1. :-(
And if the results *are* different then we need to find out who to badger about getting this bug fixed.
The bug owners? It is assigned... but not a lot of activity recently on the bugs.
OK, forget about kmix - stick it up the jumper, it's bloody hopeless in 10.2 :-( . Someone stuffed up pretty badly in 10.2 with kmix.
Install alsamixer.
When installed, lick on LINE (the bottom part will go grey) and then use the up arrow on keyboard to raise the volume setting from zero to wherever you want it. But make sure that your external volume control, if you have one, is turned down before you do this :-) .
Cheers.
ADDENDUM to above. Once you have set the line volume at close to its max. then start kmix because it will now work correctly and you will have the kmix icon in the (?)system tray. Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
OK, forget about kmix - stick it up the jumper, it's bloody hopeless in 10.2 :-( . Someone stuffed up pretty badly in 10.2 with kmix.
Install alsamixer.
When installed, lick on LINE (the bottom part will go grey) and then use the up arrow on keyboard to raise the volume setting from zero to wherever you want it. But make sure that your external volume control, if you have one, is turned down before you do this :-) .
Again, a clear sign we are dealing with totally different issues. In my case it wouldn't matter what mixer I tried to use... KMix, alsamixer.. whatever. Wouldn't make any difference since no audio devices are available... unless I use my USB headset. As an experiment though, I poked around in YAST and looked at the groups my UID is a member of. I added 'audio' to the list, logged out/in and shazam... I've got sound. So... why is it that I don't need to be a member of audio in 10.1 but do in 10.2? There is something on this in the bugs, but from what I understood, it's a workaround, not a solution? Not sure... Anyway, I now have sound working... so I have in effect... a functioning system... but unsure if my solution is the "right" one. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
OK, forget about kmix - stick it up the jumper, it's bloody hopeless in 10.2 :-( . Someone stuffed up pretty badly in 10.2 with kmix.
Install alsamixer.
When installed, lick on LINE (the bottom part will go grey) and then use the up arrow on keyboard to raise the volume setting from zero to wherever you want it. But make sure that your external volume control, if you have one, is turned down before you do this :-) .
Again, a clear sign we are dealing with totally different issues. In my case it wouldn't matter what mixer I tried to use... KMix, alsamixer.. whatever. Wouldn't make any difference since no audio devices are available... unless I use my USB headset.
As an experiment though, I poked around in YAST and looked at the groups my UID is a member of. I added 'audio' to the list, logged out/in and shazam... I've got sound.
So... why is it that I don't need to be a member of audio in 10.1 but do in 10.2? There is something on this in the bugs, but from what I understood, it's a workaround, not a solution? Not sure...
Anyway, I now have sound working... so I have in effect... a functioning system... but unsure if my solution is the "right" one.
By the same token, I don't have alsamixergui installed in 10.1 and my sound works perfectly whereas I had to install it for sound to work correctly in 10.2. Also, on the same computer, but using different HDs for 10.1 and 10.2 installs, 'cat /proc/asound/cards' shows that the sound card is a SB0400 in 10.1 while in 10.2 it shows up as SB0610. Go figure. The main thing, though, is that you have your sound working. Cheers. -- In a period of great joy and pleasure you are comforted by the thought that tragedy is just around the corner. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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